Fighting system

Garett Gwenour · Post by **Garett Gwenour** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 3:27 am

i agree

Shadows · Post by **Shadows** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 7:51 am

and so the armored tanks go unharmed and us leather people get our bums kicked.

Dónal Mason · Post by **Dónal Mason** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 8:03 am

Multiplying armor values byu 1.5 will not work. Shadows is right. THe tanks will gain the most out of it since they already have a high armor value.

martin · Post by **martin** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 8:05 am

Salathe wrote:honest to god, the fighting system we had after the update was GREAT. I really loved it.

PLEASE go back to the way it was.

Okay, now I tell you something:

After the update, everyone had the same amount of hitpoints and constitution did not play a role (due to bugs).

Are going to tell me that this was "great"?

Martin

martin · Post by **martin** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 8:06 am

Arameh_ wrote:Personally, I think the best thing we could do is to get the system back,

I am tired of hearing that.
You repeat it over and over and over again, I read it, stfu.

I am REALLY, REALLY, REALLY tired of hearing that.

Martin

Gwendolin Cad'ell · Post by **Gwendolin Cad'ell** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 8:58 am

Arameh_ wrote:Personally, I think the best thing we could do is to get the system back,

Why?
The new fighting system gives a lot more possibilities. Of course it needs to be balanced here and there, but it has just started and as you can see: There are people working on it.

Also I think that you are slightly frustrated, because you haven't figured out this system yet. And that you (just like Salathe) are not able anymore to walk alone to the crypt with your high skills and kill monsters like other people cut grass.

I think a little bit more patience is needed?

Linella Fienn · Post by **Linella Fienn** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:47 am

Uhm...irgendwie bin ich grad zum Massenmörder mutiert ^^
Ich bin in Greenbriar, greife einen Hirsch an, der fällt nach einer Weile um...komischerweise die anderen beiden Hirsche, die da ebenso durch den Wald zogen, auch. ^^ Haben auch das Schweinefleisch hinterlassen.

Gwendolin Cad'ell · Post by **Gwendolin Cad'ell** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:49 am

Du hast einen Hirsch getötet und alle anderen sind mitgestorben?

Linella Fienn · Post by **Linella Fienn** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:50 am

Adano Eles · Post by **Adano Eles** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:51 am

Ich glaube das ist schon früher Leuten passiert und muss wohl an der fehlerhaften Vervielfältigung liegen. Obwohl mir das bei den Schweinen nicht passiert ist.

martin · Post by **martin** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 10:35 am

Dass die Monster manchmal einfach so tot umfallen liegt an mir.
Hin und wieder ist es noetig, alle Monster auf dem Server instantan zu toeten (wenn ich ein volles reload aller Datenbanken durchfuehre, um gewisse Aenderungen zu uebernehmen).

I changed the distance fighting now and lowered its effects.

Martin

Miklorius · Post by **Miklorius** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 2:25 pm

I have an 56k-modem and a stable connection and nearly no problems with playing Illarion. But when I am fighting now I have almost always a lag of around 2 secs (only when I am in fighting mode!).
So maneuvers are hardly possible...!

Adano Eles · Post by **Adano Eles** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 2:54 pm

Happens to me as well. Every other char I trained with runs circles around me before my char even reacts to any command.

Nalzaxx · Post by **Nalzaxx** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 6:15 pm

There is a large delay in which you cannot move after you have just hit someone. A simple solution, if you want to move, untarget them.

Dónal Mason · Post by **Dónal Mason** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 6:16 pm

I wish Illarion had a real targetting system. As in, you can stop attacking someone in order to move, and very easily start attacking again.

Nalzaxx · Post by **Nalzaxx** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 6:17 pm

It does, you have to Ctrl Click on the person. Its not hard really...

Dónal Mason · Post by **Dónal Mason** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 7:30 pm

When you're both moving? It doesn't have a REAL targetting system, as in one where you can accomplish another task while not attacking. I'd rather not have to untarget them, move, then retarget them and probably have to move again anyway. It's not a very fluid targetting system.

Miklorius · Post by **Miklorius** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 7:38 pm

I will test it with untargeting someone, but as Dónal Mason said, actual it seems not very "fluid".

What about stop attacking as long as you press STRG? In that time you could easily move...

Llama · Post by **Llama** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:11 pm

Archery is still rather over-powered.

7 arrows fired from a "magical elven bow"; me with absolutly no skill at the beginning, killed a pig..

Now I know that arrows are expensive and all, but its too much for a beginner to kill that easily.

Not sure whether it should be changed though, what do you think?

Belgram · Post by **Belgram** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:13 pm

You give me a bow and i'll take down a pig in 7 shots.

Would you rather have that or having to fire something around 40 to kill it?

Post by **Estralis Seborian** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:31 pm

Did you hit 7 times out of 7 attempts?

I also agree, 7 successful attacks on a pig are OK even for a n00b. I will check archery, too and report back.

Edit: At a glance, archery seems to be a quicker way to kill enemies than melee, but at a good rate. Melee seems to be underpowered.

Llama · Post by **Llama** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:32 pm

Before I agree, it was underpowered.

But would you expect a total n00b archer to take down pigs that quickly? The magical elven bow isn't particularly powerful either.

ADDED -> @ Estralis: I think so, there was always the attack sound...

Belgram · Post by **Belgram** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:43 pm

I can pwn pigs with 1 bolt and I have light blue skill.

Post by **Estralis Seborian** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:51 pm

Hadrian_Abela wrote:But would you expect a total n00b archer to take down pigs that quickly?

Jupp. Pigs are weak. VERY weak. Something in the range of 5-10 hits are a good number for a n00b with suitable equipment. IMHO, every monster should go down after 3-100 hits, depending on skills, stats, equipment and so on. Numbers below 3 are as useless as numbers above 100 (=invincible).

Has anybody noticed critical hits? I didn't, are there any? If not, adding a ~1% chance for a hit to disregard armor could be nice. Same holds for wildcard hits, not sure if there are any. 5% for this (1/20, AD&D, anyone?) sounds reasonable. Also, capped damage (49.9% of HP maximum) and minimum damage (1% of HP) are also some things I'd add. -> every monster goes down after 100 hits and 2000 attacks kill everything. Quite alot, but better than invincible monsters...

Miklorius · Post by **Miklorius** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 10:20 pm

Nalzaxx wrote:There is a large delay in which you cannot move after you have just hit someone. A simple solution, if you want to move, untarget them.

That's a crappy solution. The time bonus you get is minimal plus you are hit very easy (because no dodge or parry).

martin · Post by **martin** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 11:35 am

I made some changes to shields and double weapon fights:
1) Using a shield caused your damage to be just 50% (due to a bug). That's corrected now.
2) Using two weapons did not make enough damage, I raised that.

Martin

Berengar · Post by **Berengar** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 4:16 pm

[quote="Belgram"]I can pwn pigs with 1 bolt and I have light blue skill.[/quote]

Still too high in my opinion. With yellow slashing skills and bastard sword it takes me 2.

Alexander von Hattingen · Tue Apr 25, 2006 6:55 pm

unterm friedhof einige Mumien ausserhalb des spielbereiches hinter den wänden

Papoitsi · Post by **Papoitsi** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 7:57 pm

Wow...pigs killed in 2-5 hits. In my day, it took a n00b 43. And I counted. There wasn't much else to do when killing pigs. Except chase it around.

Retlak · Post by **Retlak** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 8:27 pm

I think i have somehow created an ultimate orc..

(not Retlak)

He is learning all skills quickly including tactics. He can take loads of damage and kills pigs in 6 hits of wrestling.