Melting smithed goods into ore / Metallware einschmelzen

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 11:59 pm

i just thought it would be a great to have the possibility to melt metal goods back into ore (or iron in the future). for example, a dagger from the mummies could be melted into one ore. or 2 or 4 daggers into one ore. that could be a possibility to sell the daggers and other stuff from monsters not just to eliza, but to smiths too. of course ya could do that with wooden stuff, or tailored stuff too. recicle it. thats my idea. what do ya guys think?

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Ich dachte mir es wäre doch ne Prima idee metallware wieder zurück zu eisen schmelzen zu können. zum beispiel könnte man einen dolch, oder zwei oder 4 wieder zurück in ein stück erz (später dann mal eisen) schmelzen. dies würde nämlich die möglichkeit geben geringere schmiedeware nicht nur an eliza sondern auch an schmiede zu verkaufen. natürlich könnte man das auch mit holzwaren, oder kleider machen. auch das könnte man receiceln. was haltet ihr davon?

Hermie · Post by **Hermie** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 12:03 am

I agree with you Galim.

When you Smith gold, if you fail then the ingot is melted down to its origional form too, this should be no different in my opinion.

Bei Tian Kensai · Post by **Bei Tian Kensai** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 12:11 am

Tottaly agree

Gurik Elvenstar · Post by **Gurik Elvenstar** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 12:21 am

that would be good

Gigasha · Post by **Gigasha** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 12:32 am

I have to agree on the metal items, but not on wood, as it cannot be converted to liquid form and back again. It would be possible to make say, a spoon, from the handle of a mace or something like that. But that is size oriented. You can't make the wood bigger, only smaller. Wood also has a tendency to decay MUCH faster than metal items. Care of said items could be added to the item uses, but I imagine that would be time consuming and complicated.

Konstantin K · Post by **Konstantin K** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 12:45 am

With metals I think it makes sense, although I don't know much of metallurgy. I support the idea. Why not an alternative source for ore?

Lennier · Post by **Lennier** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 12:44 pm

In general it is a good idea.

But I already can hear those, who want something like again-used or returnable bottles. However this would be a bad idea.

Therfore, why do we need ore, which is maked by metal items?

Nilo · Post by **Nilo** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 11:37 pm

Whats the point? I mean, its not like its sooo terribly hard to buy ore anyways.

AND this would bring more "powergamers" with the skills... ie people would make shields, then melt the ores, amke more shields, mel tthe ores........etc without even getting more ore..

No, this is not a good idea, sorry galim.

Timothius · Post by **Timothius** » Tue Mar 02, 2004 12:13 am

Mir gefällt diese Idee ebenfalls sehr gut.

Um extremes Powergaming zu verhindern könnte man es so handhaben, dass auf jedenfall weniger Erz beim Einschmelzen herauskommt als man zum Schmieden des Gegenstands benötigt.

@Lenny

Lass uns das Illa-Flaschenpfand einführen

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Tue Mar 02, 2004 12:31 am

@nilo

melting 4 daggers into one ore. make one dagger. well, and here it ends. because ya need 3 more daggers to melt them into one ore again. you understand?

Drogla · Post by **Drogla** » Tue Mar 02, 2004 2:48 am

And perhps you need coal to melt down the metal-that would make sence.

Falk vom Wald · Post by **Falk vom Wald** » Tue Mar 02, 2004 7:31 am

Nilo wrote:AND this would bring more "powergamers" with the skills... ie people would make shields, then melt the ores, amke more shields, mel tthe ores........etc without even getting more ore..

1. Powergamer can easily gain their skill by mining and smithing. Why should they melt ore, make shields, melt the ore again..... just to get the same effect.

2. Why not make that melting feature without skillgain?

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Tue Mar 02, 2004 2:06 pm

nilo wanted to say that the powergamers could use the same ore for the same dagger, melt it, and make a dagger again. without never have the need to get new ore. but if this will be realized, ya will need two ore three daggers for one ore. that would stop such a behaviour. and because ya would need coal to melt them, ya would need more coal for smithing.

Kasume · Post by **Kasume** » Tue Mar 02, 2004 4:32 pm

Maybe when smelting the metal goods you only get 1 of the 2 needed ores. Preventing that "powergaming."

Rynt · Post by **Rynt** » Tue Mar 02, 2004 8:01 pm

And you would still need material for the handle. Speaking of which, we should need leather and wood for weapon handles. Once the luxury system is put in place, leather hilts on swords would increase comfort.

Pronon Palmsuger · Post by **Pronon Palmsuger** » Wed Mar 03, 2004 3:04 am

I like this idea. Also IMO if bottles were to be reused it should be with mana potions only...although the roleplay is a little off, tehre lots of things like that....If Mana potions were reused the market would flow, Druids would sell Mana potions to Mages, Mages would sell the bottles back for less for a small refund on there bottles, the Druid could make the bottles into mana potions again.

Adano Eles · Post by **Adano Eles** » Wed Mar 03, 2004 9:13 am

And the glassblowers would sit on their stuff forever cause reused bottles are a lot cheaper then new ones...

Darkform · Post by **Darkform** » Wed Mar 03, 2004 1:02 pm

how about all bottles are recycleable but they have to be re glassblown .

a used bottle would count as a quartsts sand and a ash .

and make it so that 2 ysed bottles are used when makeing a new bottle . that would make them about the same cost as origanal botttles and could keep the glassblowers in buisness .

Hermie · Post by **Hermie** » Wed Mar 03, 2004 7:08 pm

What about after you use a bottle there is a small chance of dropping it, then you must clean it in the river and the bottle might slip. Then you have to dry it with a piece of cloth and they could break again if they were brittle.

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Wed Mar 03, 2004 8:56 pm

How about you start a new topic instead of throwing this one off topic?

Anyhow, metal things should be able to be reforged, but the wood parts would be useless. Maybe they could be reforged into a billot, or basically ingot. Then you could reuse them when you needed to. People going around picking up scrap metal would not be uncommon, heck even today people do it for a living. What are junkyards for?