Taking advantage of a bug.

Thalodos Artemetus · Post by **Thalodos Artemetus** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 9:56 pm

There seems to be a common bug (which everyone seems to notice) where orcs have the 'ability' to speak elven.

However it makes little rp sense that something as unintelligent as an orc, could learn such a complicated language.

If you agree with me, then please tell me why several orcs walk around freely speaking in the elven tongue. And why, when i calmy tell them that it isn't great rp to speaking it, do we suddenly embark on a mass of ooc talk?

Ellaron · Post by **Ellaron** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 10:21 pm

Are they really talking Elven or mislabled Orc?

Thalodos Artemetus · Post by **Thalodos Artemetus** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 10:22 pm

elven, they 'understand' what i say in elven

Cliu Beothach · Post by **Cliu Beothach** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 10:27 pm

How many orcs did you find speaking it?

I am just curious. I have only found one, but if it is a bug and he went without asking a gm... then I believe there is a problem.

Arkadia Misella · Post by **Arkadia Misella** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 10:29 pm

It is a bug. I just got my orc character up and running and noticed I have common, orc, and elf language skills.

This NEEDS to be fixed.

Mempriclus · Post by **Mempriclus** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 6:58 pm

Maybe orcish is very similar to elven...

Faladron · Post by **Faladron** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 7:23 pm

I want to speak dwarvish with my other char aswell because his grandfather motherwise was uh... very short!

I don't think any of those orcs came up with a good RP explanation why they're talking elvish (if there even is a good one)
so this should be fixed, furthermore players should be fair enough not to ab-use this to their advantage.

(Common sence, they can't speak proper common but one of the highly developed languages... oic

)

Llama · Post by **Llama** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 7:25 pm

Some orcs come up with good rp

"I learnt it while i was looting villages with my father"...

But its still a bad bug....

And the site says that the complex elf language is hard to learn while the orc's is easy...

Moathia · Post by **Moathia** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 7:44 pm

Hadrian_Abela wrote:
"I learnt it while i was looting villages with my father"...

That is not a good rp reason.

Faladron · Post by **Faladron** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 8:18 pm

Hadrian_Abela wrote: "I learnt it while i was looting villages with my father"...

He should exactly know "Watch out!" "Run for your lifes!"
and "Spare my life please!" along with other phrases then but not the whole language.

Arkadia Misella · Post by **Arkadia Misella** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 8:27 pm

Last I remember 90% of Orcs were not that bright. I also remember the Elvish language being somewhat difficult to master.

But hell, these are the same orcs who have gone over to the Elf island, stood in the building and waited for people to log in and attack/rob them saying it was "Orc Territory".

[sarcasm]
I just love it when two individuals take out a whole city. It rules. This game rocks! Woot!
[/sarcasm]

Ziel Oden · Post by **Ziel Oden** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 9:12 pm

Hadrian_Abela wrote:good rp
"I learnt it while i was looting villages with my father"...

YAY!!!

Delakaniam · Post by **Delakaniam** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:54 am

Um... Usually when you're looting someone's village... you prooobably don't give any shit for what they're trying to say to you.

There's also the fact that you're looting their village, therefore.... they have probably fled, have been captured, or have been killed. You can't hear people who are leagues and leagues away (Alexander Graham Bell doesn't exist in this realm), you're probably telling all of your captives to shut the hell up, and dead people just don't talk that much.

And no offense to anyone who might have come up with this RP, but it's also extremely illogical to be fluent in elven, yet only be able to grunt an occasional word in the common tongue. After all, the common tongue IS the COMMON TONGUE.

Prooooobably means it's common because more people can get a grasp of it more easily. And can you ever imagine the elves ever having anything that easily mastered in the elven way, much less their own language??

Ziel Oden · Post by **Ziel Oden** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 3:22 am

After much logicality and google searching i have come up with this result:

Delakaniam = Buzz Kill

Llama · Post by **Llama** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:36 pm

Delakaniam wrote:Um... Usually when you're looting someone's village... you prooobably don't give any shit for what they're trying to say to you.

1) This is the technical board. please dont spam

2) Elves usually have writings, and sacred writings and they were one of the first races to discover writing... if you loot it, and do your best... you may try to read it..

also "Help Orc" is something y'll learn quickly enough

Thalodos Artemetus · Post by **Thalodos Artemetus** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 9:24 pm

not if you don't know what it means in the first place..

Misjbar · Post by **Misjbar** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 9:59 pm

Hadrian_Abela wrote:
Delakaniam wrote:Um... Usually when you're looting someone's village... you prooobably don't give any shit for what they're trying to say to you.
1) This is the technical board. please dont spam

2) Elves usually have writings, and sacred writings and they were one of the first races to discover writing... if you loot it, and do your best... you may try to read it..

also "Help Orc" is something y'll learn quickly enough

May I remind you that that was not spam, yet a very viable remark, and argument against that specific RP reason.

Dónal Mason · Post by **Dónal Mason** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:48 pm

You tell her not to spam, yet go off and talk about the same subject as her. You also have around 13 posts per day. You're really someone who should be chiding another for spamming, aren't you?

Garett Gwenour · Post by **Garett Gwenour** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:53 am

How do we know orcs are that dumb?
I really do not think this is a bug. As no other races have their languages mixed up.

Ziel Oden · Post by **Ziel Oden** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:56 am

Typical orc conversation:
"Greebs bruda."
"Greebs"
"Wun smash piggie?"
"YUB!"

Typical Human conversation:
"Greetings."
"hello."
"want to go train on pigs?"
"ok."

I belive Garett may be onto something!

Misjbar · Post by **Misjbar** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:57 am

I am most certain this is a bug. I did not have this before, when I was an orc. Neither did my orc have this. Unless there is some big overarching story which would magically explain all orcs to be fluent in the complex elven language, then please do tell me.

Garett Gwenour · Post by **Garett Gwenour** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:58 am

Maybe orcs are just being roleplayed wrong because mainstream players who play orcs just wanna pk and have barely any plot lines besides raiding.
And maybe the elven language isnt that complex.. I havent read moonsilver for a while, does it say the elven language is really complex?

Ziel Oden · Post by **Ziel Oden** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:59 am

It is right here.. www.illarion.org/storys/lies/zieloden

Incase that is a broken link, let me tell you it:

Once upon a time there was a orc named Misjbar... he became an elf.. and when he became an orc agian the gods got P/Oed and made all orcs but Misjibar know elven. The End.

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:03 am

Misjbar was an elf cursed into an orc body.

Misjbar · Post by **Misjbar** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:04 am

Odd story, considering the elf is first named Misjbar, and then Misjibar (SERIOUSLY, SPELL IT RIGHT (!!) FOR ONCE). Orcs most definately should not be able to learn elvish, and yes it is a complex and flowery language, and mostly used to say long, complex annoyingly stretched out scentences, with which orcs have problems. And yes I do suggest you read moonsilver every once in a while.

Ziel Oden · Post by **Ziel Oden** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:06 am

Im giving up on your name shit. From now on i call you

.

Llama · Post by **Llama** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:31 pm

Ziel Oden wrote:Im giving up on your name shit. From now on i call you .

Yeah this happened to me to...

I got shouted at in-game and threatened...

Pendar · Post by **Pendar** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 10:39 pm

Lets wait for some word from the staff before we guess...
How ever I have noticed my mage has a language US, I cant imagine what that could be. How ever it would certainly strike me as odd some orcs can speak elf. Also it does not appear all orcs can or else some RP very well ignoreing an elf on mine insulting them

Brian

Llama · Post by **Llama** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 6:01 pm

Pendar wrote:Lets wait for some word from the staff before we guess...
How ever I have noticed my mage has a language US,

Mine can to... i talked to Estralis and he said he could delete it...

It doesn't do any harm