I think it's presumptuous to put me in either category, sweetheart. =)
Since I can't make a point without having my motives called into question, here's a freebie, sunshine:
Honestly, it doesn't bother me anymore that I put a whole lot of effort and soul into Illarion and feel it could have been directed elsewhere where it could have been more appreciated. I don't really consider Illarion as a game that I would play anymore and that's the truth. However, I'm not talking about ingame culture or craft systems or anything I don't know about.
Usually when the usual suspects within the staff do something I disagree with nowadays I just slap my forehead and go "saw that coming."
However, perhaps it hasn't crossed your mind that I have friends and people I still care about that still play Illarion and even some among the staff. I don't bother to come here until one of these people talk to me about a situation here.
Again, this situation has nothing to do with anything ingame. It's a matter of how people in a position of authority treat the people they have authority over and vice versa. This is a pretty universal idea.
It's easy to be a hard-headed grunt like Korm and accept that you've thunk all the thoughts that are possibley right and good and people who haven't experienced what you've experienced couldn't have an alternative view that's just as right. Afterall, there's a lot less challenge to being like that. (keep in mind that when I post here something that he agrees with he applauds that I've grown up and only brings up that I'm no longer a member of this community when I disagree with him. =) )
So let's get off the topic of questioning the motives of the posters and get back to dealing with the ideas of the posters. I'm not questioning yours, and I don't have the energy to lie. I post here because people I care about are feeling hurt over what's going on here, and are being chased away (which I guess you're okay with, because their opinions become irrelevant once they leave)
Now, with that, back to topic.
Continued discussion ... no whiners or crybabies.
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Ah. Well, that would make sense if I wasn't among those who made a proposal. That still sounds pretty egocentric, though, Nitram. So I'll correct my new woldview to fit with yours:
There are those who cave to my demands (wether they like them or not) or those who don't matter. Awesome. Thanks for the correction.
There are those who cave to my demands (wether they like them or not) or those who don't matter. Awesome. Thanks for the correction.
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Not sure if you were talking as part of the Staff. If so, better use "we"Nitram wrote:Aeggy got the point. At least nearly. There are those who agree with me, those who disagree but go along with it, and those who offer proposals how to make it different and still go along with it.
Nitram
No offence, just came to my mind. All the best,
Greisling
And thats the problem.
Illarion is just a game. To see it as anything more, causes problems.
And i'm happy that i can say that my Illarion/(other things) ratio lowered from nearly 1/1 to around 1/4.
( In case you don't count the time when I'm avaiable for support ( like checking if the server runs, or answering one or two questions, or helping persons with not working character, etc. ) but don't do anything active ( like scripting ) )
Illarion is just a game. To see it as anything more, causes problems.
And i'm happy that i can say that my Illarion/(other things) ratio lowered from nearly 1/1 to around 1/4.
( In case you don't count the time when I'm avaiable for support ( like checking if the server runs, or answering one or two questions, or helping persons with not working character, etc. ) but don't do anything active ( like scripting ) )
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Erm, as Noradur asked me to clarify myself here, as it was apperantly not understood, I guess I'll do so:
Though first of all I got a bit too pissed, and took it a bit too hard I figuire.
I really like to play with these two, they are some of the few characters that are online when I can be and actually appear play with me.
But putting that aside, I mainly got pissed 'cause I really heavily got the impression of favoritism for Silverbrand, and saying this did not happen in the past would be a pretty big lie.
You put everything against Rothman by spreading lies about how we 'just invaded when there where no dwarves on.' while noone bothered to listen to our side of the story that Stephen got pissed off by the dwarves, came to bane, got us, and we went to get revenge. I believe it took less than half an hour for Stephen to arrive and us to go kick some dwarven ass.
Then all this stuff I heard about the christmas quest some years ago, German dwarves get merinium and whatnot, the rest get pickaxes or something.
Pushed golem guardians.
Whatever.
Suddenly Nalcaryos goes berserk with some Silverbrand dwarves helping him.
Okay, sure, but doesn't help relations with SB.
Then SB apperantly tried to jail the two.
I wasn't there during this, but what I hear it all happened just fine, I mean, the two ARE strong, they are not afraid of some dwarf who just happens to be king there. So they locked him in his own jail, what's wrong about that? I don't really see what was.
Apperantly it was later revealed that they did some other things, but in the method Arien decided to voice it all, did not at all make it seem that way, it just absolutely made it seem like "You mess with SB, I mess with you."
If it was someone else who was about to get banned I likely would've gotten pissed by it too, maybe a bit less as I don't really know them, but the whole Silverbrand thing just gets me pissed off.
I understand you're all human, and that some people just get favoritised, it just happens even if you don't mean to. You trust your old friends more than some other person, that just happens. I still don't really agree to this all, and I'm not all to sure about the weight of the Silverbrand thing carying to the decision, but whatever, you're not gonna change your mind anyway(and I guess you have your reasons for that).
I'll stick around, not that most of you care wether I do or not but I'll stick around.
Also I am not bringing up the discussion again, I was just asked to clarify myself, and did that.
Merry late Christmas.
Though first of all I got a bit too pissed, and took it a bit too hard I figuire.
I really like to play with these two, they are some of the few characters that are online when I can be and actually appear play with me.
But putting that aside, I mainly got pissed 'cause I really heavily got the impression of favoritism for Silverbrand, and saying this did not happen in the past would be a pretty big lie.
You put everything against Rothman by spreading lies about how we 'just invaded when there where no dwarves on.' while noone bothered to listen to our side of the story that Stephen got pissed off by the dwarves, came to bane, got us, and we went to get revenge. I believe it took less than half an hour for Stephen to arrive and us to go kick some dwarven ass.
Then all this stuff I heard about the christmas quest some years ago, German dwarves get merinium and whatnot, the rest get pickaxes or something.
Pushed golem guardians.
Whatever.
Suddenly Nalcaryos goes berserk with some Silverbrand dwarves helping him.
Okay, sure, but doesn't help relations with SB.
Then SB apperantly tried to jail the two.
I wasn't there during this, but what I hear it all happened just fine, I mean, the two ARE strong, they are not afraid of some dwarf who just happens to be king there. So they locked him in his own jail, what's wrong about that? I don't really see what was.
Apperantly it was later revealed that they did some other things, but in the method Arien decided to voice it all, did not at all make it seem that way, it just absolutely made it seem like "You mess with SB, I mess with you."
If it was someone else who was about to get banned I likely would've gotten pissed by it too, maybe a bit less as I don't really know them, but the whole Silverbrand thing just gets me pissed off.
I understand you're all human, and that some people just get favoritised, it just happens even if you don't mean to. You trust your old friends more than some other person, that just happens. I still don't really agree to this all, and I'm not all to sure about the weight of the Silverbrand thing carying to the decision, but whatever, you're not gonna change your mind anyway(and I guess you have your reasons for that).
I'll stick around, not that most of you care wether I do or not but I'll stick around.
Also I am not bringing up the discussion again, I was just asked to clarify myself, and did that.
Merry late Christmas.
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@ Faladron: I'm disappointed in the tone you have sunk into. I had thought more of you than that.Faladron wrote:Fine, I'll take on magic too, get me some students then bend on all the rules there are because I'm important and irreplaceable for two or three other guys.
Thumbs up for that.
@ Alex: Same for you. Don't feed into it.
Ich mein damit , daß ich Thorwald jetzt seit fast 2 Jahren spiele .
Ich mein damit das wir in Silberbrand alles was wir bekommen haben auch teuer bezahlt haben .
Ich mein damit , was immer die sagen was wir Zwerge als geschenkt bekommen haben ob zu Weihnachten oder sonstwann, ich hab noch nie irgendwas von einem GM bekommen ohne dafür bezahlt zu haben .
Ich mein damit , das an dem Tag an dem die beiden nach Silberbrand gekommen sind , sie von uns gefordert haben #me zu verwenden , sie selber aber alles ooc geflüstert haben und wir 4 anwesenden Zwerge nicht mehr wusten was ist Ig und was ist von den beiden OOC .
Ich mein damit das sie gedacht und gesagt haben wir hätten uns über ICQ und MSN gegen sie verabredet weil sie in unsere MIne gekommen sind , wir uns aber an dem Tag zum graben verabredet haben . Also wirklich nur per Zufall gerade in dem Moment als sie vor dem Tor standen rausgekommen sind .
Ich mein damit das ich im Forum von Silberbrand geschrieben habe , daß ich die Aktionen und die beiden an sich im Spiel nicht mehr beachten werde aufgrund dessen was sie sich da in Silberbrand an dem Tag geleistet haben .
Weder ich noch sonst ein Zwerg haben an dem Tag das Bannen dieser zwei Chars gefordert oder sonstwie veranlaßt .
Aber langsam ganz langsam schaffen es diese Winsler und Jammerer das mir der Spass und die Freude an diesem Spiel vergeht .
Silberbrand hat in den 2 Jahren in denen ic hjetzt dort spiele und das sagen habe noch nie etwas umsonst bekommen oder gefordert .
Die Golems die den König beschützen sind das Ergebniss eines Quest und ich hab sie noch nie für mich beansprucht und werde einen Teufel tun das irgendwann zu benutzen , weil selbst das Erscheinen eines Golems war für die Gruppe Spieler kein Grund Ghorn nicht anzugreifen , nein sie sind sogar auf den Golem losgegangen .
Dieser Gruppe ist nichts und niemand heilig außer sie sich selbst , sie sind die größten und wer etwas gegen sie unternimmt ist der Böse .
So und das ganze kann jetzt wieder irgendwer zensieren und meinen Account hier auch gleich mit löschen ((ich mein im Forum )) damit ich mir das rumgejammere nicht länger anhören muß .
Ich mein damit das wir in Silberbrand alles was wir bekommen haben auch teuer bezahlt haben .
Ich mein damit , was immer die sagen was wir Zwerge als geschenkt bekommen haben ob zu Weihnachten oder sonstwann, ich hab noch nie irgendwas von einem GM bekommen ohne dafür bezahlt zu haben .
Ich mein damit , das an dem Tag an dem die beiden nach Silberbrand gekommen sind , sie von uns gefordert haben #me zu verwenden , sie selber aber alles ooc geflüstert haben und wir 4 anwesenden Zwerge nicht mehr wusten was ist Ig und was ist von den beiden OOC .
Ich mein damit das sie gedacht und gesagt haben wir hätten uns über ICQ und MSN gegen sie verabredet weil sie in unsere MIne gekommen sind , wir uns aber an dem Tag zum graben verabredet haben . Also wirklich nur per Zufall gerade in dem Moment als sie vor dem Tor standen rausgekommen sind .
Ich mein damit das ich im Forum von Silberbrand geschrieben habe , daß ich die Aktionen und die beiden an sich im Spiel nicht mehr beachten werde aufgrund dessen was sie sich da in Silberbrand an dem Tag geleistet haben .
Weder ich noch sonst ein Zwerg haben an dem Tag das Bannen dieser zwei Chars gefordert oder sonstwie veranlaßt .
Aber langsam ganz langsam schaffen es diese Winsler und Jammerer das mir der Spass und die Freude an diesem Spiel vergeht .
Silberbrand hat in den 2 Jahren in denen ic hjetzt dort spiele und das sagen habe noch nie etwas umsonst bekommen oder gefordert .
Die Golems die den König beschützen sind das Ergebniss eines Quest und ich hab sie noch nie für mich beansprucht und werde einen Teufel tun das irgendwann zu benutzen , weil selbst das Erscheinen eines Golems war für die Gruppe Spieler kein Grund Ghorn nicht anzugreifen , nein sie sind sogar auf den Golem losgegangen .
Dieser Gruppe ist nichts und niemand heilig außer sie sich selbst , sie sind die größten und wer etwas gegen sie unternimmt ist der Böse .
So und das ganze kann jetzt wieder irgendwer zensieren und meinen Account hier auch gleich mit löschen ((ich mein im Forum )) damit ich mir das rumgejammere nicht länger anhören muß .
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translated because wished
I mean, that I'm playing Thorwald for almost 2 years now.
I mean, that we heavily paid for every that we got in Silverbrand.
I mean, that whatever you're talking about, as a present for the dwarves of was paid for. I never ever got any present from a GM.
I mean, that they, the day the two came to Silverbrand, wanted us to use emotes, while they whispered in OOC all the time, so that we dwarves, after a while, had no longer an idea, what was ooc. and ig of the two.
I mean, that they thought we engaged a meeting via MSN or ICQ, because they came to our mine and we all were there. But that has a different reason. We decided the day before, that we'd meet to mine down there.
It was nothing but a hap that we came out, right when they stood in front of the door.
I mean, that I oficially announced, that I would ignore the two ig, because of the behaviour they had that day.
Neither me, nor any other dwarf asked for them to be banned on that day, or did any other action to reach that.
But slowly, very slowly, those whiners and crybabies manage to suck all the fun out of the game for me.
Silverbrand never got or asked for anything for free, during the two years for that I'm ruling it now.
The golems, that protect the king are the outcome of a quest and I never ever used them, nor will I ever do in future. Because not even the appearance of a golem stopped them from attacking Ghorm. No, they even attacked the golem.
For that group, no one but them theirselves is worth anything and
Now, someone can censore all that and delete my Account ((I mean in the forum), so that I don't have to all the whining again.
LMFAO
Oh, okay Thorwald, we spoke ooc did we?
That's strange, cos when I look through my log, all the ooc I see is this:
Dominic Fisher: ((emote..))
[When the dwarves weren't emoting when they pushed him]
Someone (1244676552): ((me englisch is so crappy...for emotes))
[As a response to Nathan's request]
Thorwald: ((ich muß leider zur Arbeit , aber laßt sie bitte in Ruhe ))
[Some time through the conversation]
and a whoooole lot of German. There was a bit of English in there.
Oh, okay Thorwald, we spoke ooc did we?
That's strange, cos when I look through my log, all the ooc I see is this:
Dominic Fisher: ((emote..))
[When the dwarves weren't emoting when they pushed him]
Someone (1244676552): ((me englisch is so crappy...for emotes))
[As a response to Nathan's request]
Thorwald: ((ich muß leider zur Arbeit , aber laßt sie bitte in Ruhe ))
[Some time through the conversation]
and a whoooole lot of German. There was a bit of English in there.
William Elderberry: Greetings, king.
Dominic Fisher: I found some dwarves!
Thorwald: Greetings
William Elderberry: Hm.
William Elderberry: We were just visiting Brágon's shrine.
Someone (129851738): Na toll, ich verstehe kein Wort.
Dominic Fisher: It's very nice.
William Elderberry: I like the lava.
Dominic Fisher: Very... molten.
Thorwald nods
Someone (1244676552): sie sagen sie haben nur bragonsaltar besucht wenn ick et richtich versteh
Thorwald: haben sie Ivar
Thorwald: da können nur Magier hin
William Elderberry: Hm.. so how's things?
Thorwald: ah Sassennach
William Elderberry: Ooh they say magic.
Someone (129851738): Und wer sind die beiden Herren?
w:Dominic Fisher: I think they are multiplying
Thorwald: ich muß mich nur endschuldigen das ich die neue Sprache nicht spreche
w:Dominic Fisher: There were only 2 before
Someone (1244676552): ick glob der eene is william..
w:Dominic Fisher: And now there are 4
William Elderberry waves.
Someone (1244676552): ick sprech se och nur schlecht..
Dominic Fisher: and I am DOMINIC!!!
Dominic Fisher: Raaargh
Thorwald: sagen ihnen wir wollten alle gerade graben gehen
William Elderberry grins slightly.
Dominic Fisher waves his arms around a bit
Dominic Fisher: [hum] Hey dwarves
Dominic Fisher: [hum] do you speak human?
Dominic Fisher: [hum] Didn't think so!
Someone (1244676552): we all would like to dig now...
Thorwald: dann lasßt sie mal durch
Someone (129851738) shrugs.
Dominic Fisher: hm
Dominic Fisher: Can I come?
William Elderberry: Dom's an excellent miner.
Dominic Fisher: Very excellent indeed
Someone (129851738) sighs.
William Elderberry: We can make you portals to your entrance.
w:Dominic Fisher: I'm a bit rubbish
Thorwald: nono
Someone (1244676552): we need no help...
Thorwald: no Magic
Dominic Fisher: We can also RELEASE THE DRAGON
Someone (129851738): Wieso kommen eigentlich nur Leute hierher, die die Neue Sprache sprechen?
William Elderberry: Oh, then why are you so allied with Nalcaryos von Weisshafen?
Someone (1244676552): na dat frach ick mich och...
Someone (1244676552): wie kriechen wer die wieda los?
Someone (129851738) sighs again and nods.
Thorwald: wir lassen sie einfach in Ruhe
Thorwald: Farewell William and Dominic
William Elderberry: Farewell.
Dominic Fisher: We're staying
Dominic Fisher: oh look
Someone (1244676552): we would prefer you go back in your town..if possible...
William Elderberry: Speak for yourself.
Dominic Fisher: There are four of them
Someone (129851738) waves "Irmorom mit Euch!"
Dominic Fisher: weird
Thorwald: ja laß sie in Ruhe
Dominic Fisher: no wait.. yeah, four
Thorwald: alle rein und zu
Dominic Fisher: Come on you slow little dwarf, lets go mining! yaay
Someone (1244676552): no...not with you..
Dominic Fisher: awww
Thorwald: der letzte macht gleich wieder zu
Thorwald: graben wir oben
Dominic Fisher: but we are freinds
Dominic Fisher: ((emote..))
Someone (1244676552): ((me englisch is so crappy...for emotes))
Thorwald: Sassenach
Someone (1244676552): hey
Dominic Fisher: Hey whaT?
Someone (1244676552): go away and let me close the door
Thorwald: zu
Thorwald: sperren
Someone (1244676552): aba er is drin
Dominic Fisher: ...
Someone (1244676552): er steht im türrahmen
Thorwald: hm
Thorwald: dann laßt ihn rein dann haben wir einen der Mörder
William Elderberry: Well that was interesting.
Dominic Fisher: still is
William Elderberry: Aren't you bored yet Dom?
Dominic Fisher: naaah
Thorwald: gut laßt ihn rein
Thorwald: und sperrt dann zu
Thorwald grinst
Dominic Fisher pushes a dwarf away
Thorwald: laßt beide rein ich schreib die Rose an
Thorwald: +me lacht
William Elderberry: Hm.
Thorwald: die können die beiden dann abholen
William Elderberry: C'mon let's go home.
Dominic Fisher: wait
'Ivar' pushes the human
Dominic Fisher: will
Someone (1244676552): come in dominic
Dominic Fisher: [hum] yay
William Elderberry: Alright he can come in>
Dominic Fisher: [hum] we are invited
William Elderberry waves his arm.
William Elderberry starts with a mystical formula.
William Elderberry: [anc] JUS TAUR KEL
S:Dominic Fisher: paarty
Someone (1244676552) looks at themgrimly
William Elderberry: Trollsbane shop
Someone (1244676552): what do you do there?
Dominic Fisher: there you are
William Elderberry: Alright.
Dominic Fisher: He makes a magical blue swirly thing
Dominic Fisher: Called a PORTAAAAL
Dominic Fisher: OOOOH
Dominic Fisher: where does it go!?
William Elderberry: Let's mine
Dominic Fisher: yaaay
William Elderberry: And explore
William Elderberry lights the fire.
William Elderberry starts with a mystical formula.
William Elderberry: [anc] RA IRA ANTH QWAN
William Elderberry: Now then can cook.
William Elderberry: Nice of me eh?
S:Someone (1244676552): feuer...
William Elderberry starts with a mystical formula.
William Elderberry: [anc] RA TAH
William Elderberry: Tssk
William Elderberry: Some people eh?
William Elderberry: Scream hilfe feuer at first sight.
William Elderberry: I've been here.
Dominic Fisher: To,d you it was flammable
William Elderberry: Can we go in the hall of the axe?
Someone (1244676552): i got no key for it...
William Elderberry: Aww.
William Elderberry: What's your name?
Dominic Fisher grins
Someone (1244676552): i m the cook
Someone (1244676552): im sassenach
William Elderberry: I'm William Elderberry.
Dominic Fisher: ..That is the WEIRDEST NAME EVER
Dominic Fisher: I' Dominic fisher
William Elderberry: Lord of Caelum, Teacher of the Magic Academy, Mercenary Guard of Bane and Acolyte of the flame.
Sassenach: not each can be called dom...
Dominic Fisher: notorius dwarf killing criminal
Dominic Fisher: oh look
William Elderberry: .. Nah he's Dom.
William Elderberry: I'm Will
'Ivar': [dwa] **************
Thorwald: Sassennach wir zeigen ihnen etwas Silberbrand
William Elderberry: I remember when I was last here.
Sassenach: sie wollen in die hallen der axt
Garabosch grummelt "Die Jugend von heut is' nich' mehr dat selbe wie einstmal"
William Elderberry: Fun times.
Thorwald: den Raum der Garde und die Räume die dort drunter sind
William Elderberry: They crafted me some stuff.
Dominic Fisher: Hm
Thorwald: dürfen sie
Dominic Fisher: Dwarves are buzzing around like bees up here
You hear: the king gotz the key...
Thorwald: comme William
Dominic Fisher: hall of the axe!
William Elderberry: I'm comin' I'm comin'
Dominic Fisher: HALL OF THE AAAAXE
William Elderberry: Nice place you got here.
Thorwald: thanks
Dominic Fisher: [hum] will
Dominic Fisher: [hum] WILL
William Elderberry: What?
Dominic Fisher: [hum] They will lock us in here
Dominic Fisher: [hum] make one of them go in first
William Elderberry: After you.
William Elderberry starts with a mystical formula.
William Elderberry: [anc] SOLH ORL QWAN
William Elderberry: There
William Elderberry: Precautions
William Elderberry: Just so you don't lock us in
Dominic Fisher: [hum] Heheh
William Elderberry: You try to open the door, but the door is locked.
Dominic Fisher: [hum] locked?
William Elderberry: They lock everything down here.
Dominic Fisher: [hum] Oh
Dominic Fisher: [hum] this is the priosn
William Elderberry: Watch this
Dominic Fisher: [hum] I guess
William Elderberry: Ah yes they plan to imprison us
Dominic Fisher: [hum] We are going to be jailed
Dominic Fisher: [hum] yaay
Thorwald: dabei haben wir so schöne Räume
Dominic Fisher: BLAAARGH
Dominic Fisher: Scary huh
William Elderberry flicks his wand.
William Elderberry starts with a mystical formula.
William Elderberry: [anc] SOLH ORL QWAN
William Elderberry: Your cells?
Dominic Fisher: oh dear
William Elderberry: Nice.
Dominic Fisher: you are stuck
Thorwald: yes
William Elderberry: After you.
Thorwald smiles
w:William Elderberry: Trollsbane shop
Dominic Fisher: It's lovely to have a guidedtour from the king
William Elderberry starts with a mystical formula.
William Elderberry: Indeed.
Dominic Fisher: ooh
William Elderberry: Anyway
William Elderberry: Have fun.
Dominic Fisher: pity
Dominic Fisher: you are stuck in here
Thorwald: bye
William Elderberry: Farewell.
Dominic Fisher: hm
Dominic Fisher: wait
Dominic Fisher: waaait
William Elderberry starts with a mystical formula.
William Elderberry: [anc] SOLH TAH [removed the wall I trapped him in with]
w:Dominic Fisher: where does this go?
William Elderberry: Nah he can go.
w:William Elderberry: Shop
William Elderberry: You travel by the realm of magic.
Dominic Fisher: that was fun
William Elderberry: Well that was interesting.
William Elderberry: Tssk.. best go back and release him.
William Elderberry: Silverbrand.
William Elderberry starts with a mystical formula.
William Elderberry: You travel by the realm of magic.
Dominic Fisher: aw
William Elderberry: Brought money?
Dominic Fisher: no
Dominic Fisher: I can outrun a dwarf
Dominic Fisher: and outfight
Dominic Fisher: wanna come release evil with me later?
Sassenach: da is er
William Elderberry starts with a mystical formula.
William Elderberry: [anc] SOLH TAH DUN
William Elderberry: Hello.
William Elderberry: What are your names?
Dominic Fisher: Hello hello!
William Elderberry: Ivar.. Sassenach and...?
Dominic Fisher: the igly one
Dominic Fisher: ugly*
Thorwald: ((ich muß leider zur Arbeit , aber laßt sie bitte in Ruhe ))
Someone (129851738) shrugs "Ich verstehe Euch leider nicht."
Thorwald: die kerkerschlüßel gebt bitte an Boindil
Sassenach: er will wissen, wie du heißt
William Elderberry: Oh I met Boindil.
William Elderberry: He drew a sword on me.
William Elderberry: Bored now.
Someone (129851738) smiles and waves farewell.
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Yeah, but he's been a character for 2 years.Julius wrote:The really funny thing about the translation by Tae is that..Thorwald hasn't ruled Silverbrand for 2 years in rl.
Just like Will's been my only character since august 05.
(By only char, I don't mean my account has only had 1 char in it, I mean each char I've had otherwise I logged in once/twice with ever)
That is because Tay's translation doesn't get to the point in all things and something like that is neglectable if you read the other things carefully.
(Trotzdem möcht ich deine Arbeit nicht schlecht machen Tay)
How about this:
First he said that he starts to get the impression that some people who write things around here really start to believe what they are writing.
Then after being inquired what exactly he means he said the following (which was translated already though I'll try it again maybe it'll become more clear):
I mean, that I play Thorwald for about 2 years now.
I mean, that we payed and worked hard for everything we received in Silverbrand.
I mean, that whatever they claim that the dwarves would have got presents for christmas or at whatever time, I for one have never got anything from a GM without paying for it (Comment: IG-money mind you for instance for new buildings or tools, just so you don't think there's corruption going on)
I mean, that at the day the both of them came to Silverbrand, they have demanded us to use #me 's, while they themselves whispered everything in ooc and all 4 of us dwarves did not know any longer what's in-game and what's ooc coming from the two.
I mean that they have thought and claimed openly that we would have contacted each other over ICQ or MSN so we all could fend them off because they went to our mines (Comment: Yes, I do read the strange "I think they multiply, there were 2 before now there are 4" as "oocly" comment wrapped up in game because he assumed that Thorwald asked for help over IM services), though INFACT we have set a date for mining together at this day and so it was just a coincidence that all of us just went out the gate when the both of them stood outside (Comment: You may believe what you want, but that's something Silverbrand does quite regularly (setting up a date to mine together) and is called group roleplay, expect to get swarmed if you poke a beehive without the bees contacting each other over MSN and ICQ just to know that they have to be there).
I mean that I have written at that day on the Silverbrand Board, that I from now on ignore their actions and the both of them alltogether in-game because of the things they have did that day ingame.
(Comment: Dom did run into the gate just so the dwarves could not close it anymore and had to let both of them in. He was clearly up for picking trouble that day and not because of character motivations but rather because the PO was bored and wanted to do something "crazy", that's my personal opinion and others might agree that Will and Dom have a nice touch of "persona" roleplay in their lines up there in the logfile (not things a character would do if he was a person but what a player would let his character do because he is bored like jumping from the top of a roof etc.))
Neither I nor any other dwarf have asked nor otherwise invoked the banishment of these two characters.
(Comment: All of the dwarves were rather sad about the way they roleplayed but they said that one can not do anything against it besides ignoring their actions in-game (which I do myself if I really believe that play is crap and unfairly executed))
But slowly, very slowly all the moaners and whiners suceed in driving away my fun and excitement for this game.
Silberbrand has for the last two years in which I now play there and rule (Comment: Alright so he did claim he ruled for two years already, who cares that's not point of his argument and he was rather upset while typing, do you never make mistakes like that?)
have never gotten anything for free or asked for everything for free.
The golems which guard the king are the result of a quest and I have never nor hell will I ever do use them for myself
(Comment: The dwarf Thorgrimm playing a priest for Irmorom since 2 or more years already has sacrificed his arm (which turned to stone) among other things over a longer period of time for being allowed to TRY and Perform the ritual (at which point he did not even know if the gm involved will actually be nice or just let the ritual fail and let his character explode to tiny bits) to awaken the golem)
because not even the golems could stop this group of players from attacking Ghorn back in time, no they even attacked the Golem aswell.
(Comment: Is it not a "I know no fear" attitude if one thinks he can attack a gift from a god to a king who is a devoted follower of this god without fearing for repercussions (if not in this life maybe once the character has passed away finally (yes characters do die aswell one day naturally if you would just let Ig time run on for lets say 400 years)?)
There's nothing holy for this group of players and nothing else counts besides themselves because they are the greatest and if someone does anything against them he is the bad guy.
Well and now one may censor everything I said and erase my account aswell ((i mean the forum account)) so I dont have to read the moaning and false accusations any longer.
(Trotzdem möcht ich deine Arbeit nicht schlecht machen Tay)
How about this:
First he said that he starts to get the impression that some people who write things around here really start to believe what they are writing.
Then after being inquired what exactly he means he said the following (which was translated already though I'll try it again maybe it'll become more clear):
I mean, that I play Thorwald for about 2 years now.
I mean, that we payed and worked hard for everything we received in Silverbrand.
I mean, that whatever they claim that the dwarves would have got presents for christmas or at whatever time, I for one have never got anything from a GM without paying for it (Comment: IG-money mind you for instance for new buildings or tools, just so you don't think there's corruption going on)
I mean, that at the day the both of them came to Silverbrand, they have demanded us to use #me 's, while they themselves whispered everything in ooc and all 4 of us dwarves did not know any longer what's in-game and what's ooc coming from the two.
I mean that they have thought and claimed openly that we would have contacted each other over ICQ or MSN so we all could fend them off because they went to our mines (Comment: Yes, I do read the strange "I think they multiply, there were 2 before now there are 4" as "oocly" comment wrapped up in game because he assumed that Thorwald asked for help over IM services), though INFACT we have set a date for mining together at this day and so it was just a coincidence that all of us just went out the gate when the both of them stood outside (Comment: You may believe what you want, but that's something Silverbrand does quite regularly (setting up a date to mine together) and is called group roleplay, expect to get swarmed if you poke a beehive without the bees contacting each other over MSN and ICQ just to know that they have to be there).
I mean that I have written at that day on the Silverbrand Board, that I from now on ignore their actions and the both of them alltogether in-game because of the things they have did that day ingame.
(Comment: Dom did run into the gate just so the dwarves could not close it anymore and had to let both of them in. He was clearly up for picking trouble that day and not because of character motivations but rather because the PO was bored and wanted to do something "crazy", that's my personal opinion and others might agree that Will and Dom have a nice touch of "persona" roleplay in their lines up there in the logfile (not things a character would do if he was a person but what a player would let his character do because he is bored like jumping from the top of a roof etc.))
Neither I nor any other dwarf have asked nor otherwise invoked the banishment of these two characters.
(Comment: All of the dwarves were rather sad about the way they roleplayed but they said that one can not do anything against it besides ignoring their actions in-game (which I do myself if I really believe that play is crap and unfairly executed))
But slowly, very slowly all the moaners and whiners suceed in driving away my fun and excitement for this game.
Silberbrand has for the last two years in which I now play there and rule (Comment: Alright so he did claim he ruled for two years already, who cares that's not point of his argument and he was rather upset while typing, do you never make mistakes like that?)
have never gotten anything for free or asked for everything for free.
The golems which guard the king are the result of a quest and I have never nor hell will I ever do use them for myself
(Comment: The dwarf Thorgrimm playing a priest for Irmorom since 2 or more years already has sacrificed his arm (which turned to stone) among other things over a longer period of time for being allowed to TRY and Perform the ritual (at which point he did not even know if the gm involved will actually be nice or just let the ritual fail and let his character explode to tiny bits) to awaken the golem)
because not even the golems could stop this group of players from attacking Ghorn back in time, no they even attacked the Golem aswell.
(Comment: Is it not a "I know no fear" attitude if one thinks he can attack a gift from a god to a king who is a devoted follower of this god without fearing for repercussions (if not in this life maybe once the character has passed away finally (yes characters do die aswell one day naturally if you would just let Ig time run on for lets say 400 years)?)
There's nothing holy for this group of players and nothing else counts besides themselves because they are the greatest and if someone does anything against them he is the bad guy.
Well and now one may censor everything I said and erase my account aswell ((i mean the forum account)) so I dont have to read the moaning and false accusations any longer.
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Mr. Cromwell
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@Faladron
Very nice, except when speaking about "ignoring someone's RP", things don't quite match with what actually seems to be written in the log itself. Admittedly, describing my german as schlecht would be sheer flattery, but this part certainly sounds like a capture-plan rather than 'ignoring anyone'.
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As for the 'persona play', from what I've come to understand, the character Fisher is not exactly completely stable. Does the PO enjoy causing havoc under such Rp-reason? Probably. But I'm not really sure enjoying or having fun with a game is something which should by default warrant scorn or punishment of somesort.
As for the multiplying, well.. I'm glad to know that MSN-summoning is apparently fine and dandy now (and hope that you'll remember this next time an english characters start 'multiplying'..). At least I remember once, when a guard (whose PO is not even on my msn) walked in on a situation where someone had a dagger pointed at Lord Cromwell (in his office) the (german) player screamed bloody murder at me ooc, became mighty upset and accused me of being a nasty person for summoning assistance. Luckily I know to ignore such accusations in the future. Thanks. 
Firstly, it's questionable whether or not the characters themselves are aware of the fact that the golems are gift of Irmorom. Secondly, it's nonsense to assume that, especially after having to tackle another, ridiculously strong (?) obstacle in addition to the normal defenders of a fortified town, that the characters should be afraid to attack Silverbrand at all due to those golems. This especially due to the fact that Silverbrand itself is not exactly a peaceful hamlet, and it is reguarly issuing ultimatums and trying to excercise gunboat diplomacy (So, the dwarves can mess with others, but you can't attack them because they have the divine golems on their side? Please..) Thirdly, fighters and mages kick around golems almost every other day in Illarion. Just like with magical walls, they're not nearly as frightening for the characters who face them every day than for say, us. Fourthly, quest reward or not, but I'm personally not that comfortable with the idea of one settlement receiving permanent 'guards' like that.
And if the golems are 'quest items', then I would like to know when this quest ends. Surely these items must be taken away like the blackstones at some point? There's no plan to take away these quest items? Oh dear. I swear, the surprise has shocked me immensely.
Very nice, except when speaking about "ignoring someone's RP", things don't quite match with what actually seems to be written in the log itself. Admittedly, describing my german as schlecht would be sheer flattery, but this part certainly sounds like a capture-plan rather than 'ignoring anyone'.
Thorwald: dann laßt ihn rein dann haben wir einen der Mörder
Thorwald: laßt beide rein ich schreib die Rose an
Thorwald: +me lacht
Thorwald: die können die beiden dann abholen
That's not ignoring. Ignoring would have been going to the mine anyway. Or saying "((we don't wanna play with you guys))", but not "hey, lets capture the murderers".. that's conscious decision to invite them to participate in RP, right there. You either ignore people ooc, or you don't. You don't try to take an agressive action (which capturing or attempt of that is) and afterwards say that you decided to ooc totally ignore them (unless, the decision to capture them was pure ooc as well, in which case there should be a punishment heading into that direction too.Cromwell-certified translation! wrote:Then let him in, then we have one of the murderers
Let both in, I write to the Rose
+me laughs
They can then fetch them both
)As for the 'persona play', from what I've come to understand, the character Fisher is not exactly completely stable. Does the PO enjoy causing havoc under such Rp-reason? Probably. But I'm not really sure enjoying or having fun with a game is something which should by default warrant scorn or punishment of somesort.
As for the multiplying, well.. I'm glad to know that MSN-summoning is apparently fine and dandy now (and hope that you'll remember this next time an english characters start 'multiplying'..
). At least I remember once, when a guard (whose PO is not even on my msn) walked in on a situation where someone had a dagger pointed at Lord Cromwell (in his office) the (german) player screamed bloody murder at me ooc, became mighty upset and accused me of being a nasty person for summoning assistance. Luckily I know to ignore such accusations in the future. Thanks. Erm, no. Is it not 'no fear attitude' to try and capture two extremely strong persons against whom you cannot win a fight, even 2 against 4 odds? Of course not, that's completely reasonable and rational thinking.. right, Faladron?(Comment: Is it not a "I know no fear" attitude if one thinks he can attack a gift from a god to a king who is a devoted follower of this god without fearing for repercussions (if not in this life maybe once the character has passed away finally (yes characters do die aswell one day naturally if you would just let Ig time run on for lets say 400 years)?)
Firstly, it's questionable whether or not the characters themselves are aware of the fact that the golems are gift of Irmorom. Secondly, it's nonsense to assume that, especially after having to tackle another, ridiculously strong (?) obstacle in addition to the normal defenders of a fortified town, that the characters should be afraid to attack Silverbrand at all due to those golems. This especially due to the fact that Silverbrand itself is not exactly a peaceful hamlet, and it is reguarly issuing ultimatums and trying to excercise gunboat diplomacy (So, the dwarves can mess with others, but you can't attack them because they have the divine golems on their side? Please..) Thirdly, fighters and mages kick around golems almost every other day in Illarion. Just like with magical walls, they're not nearly as frightening for the characters who face them every day than for say, us. Fourthly, quest reward or not, but I'm personally not that comfortable with the idea of one settlement receiving permanent 'guards' like that.
And if the golems are 'quest items', then I would like to know when this quest ends. Surely these items must be taken away like the blackstones at some point? There's no plan to take away these quest items? Oh dear. I swear, the surprise has shocked me immensely.
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And Thorwald can't speak english you god damnit noob. That's what nitters argument was all about. Seriously, can't you guys just quit shoving the same arguments around and around again and just stfu? Sry if this sounds to harsh, but it's getting annoying.Lrmy wrote:They can't speak German, There is a difference. -,-Nitram wrote:Who of you will ignore the emotes I could send, written completly in german.
Kevin? Retlak?