Baking

Elaralith · Post by **Elaralith** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 7:59 pm

Greetings!

Something I would like to propose would be a new item to be used for baking in illarion. Instead of having dough used with a campfire to be made into bread I suggest having a new graphic made to be used specifically for baking purposes. This would be like the "glass-melting oven" which is used for only glass making purposes. This object could be called...Oven or "Baking Oven" etc. etc. I think it does not really make sense to have dough roasted over a open campfire and be able to be turned into bread, hence this proposal for an oven for baking.

Thank you for reading, helpful comments, and input appreciated!
-Elaralith

Myers · Post by **Myers** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 8:40 pm

I agree with your proposal Elaralith. But if we are to have a kitchen graphic we must be sure that it is not taken for granted by some players ( and you know who you are

) that it will be strictly the domain of women

Salathe · Post by **Salathe** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 11:31 pm

but i like cooking over a fire

Mishrack · Post by **Mishrack** » Tue Feb 04, 2003 2:23 am

n it gives the bread that delicious burney taste

Salathe · Post by **Salathe** » Tue Feb 04, 2003 2:28 am

yea and i dont wanna be in a room full of females when i do my baking, which is very often

Elaralith · Post by **Elaralith** » Tue Feb 04, 2003 4:09 am

@Salathe This is the medieval era! Remember that please! And you would not be in a "roomful" of females for baking if there was a Baking Oven. Some of the best bakers of our land our male.

Brendan Mason · Post by **Brendan Mason** » Tue Feb 04, 2003 4:23 pm

Exactly-Jamie Oliver, etc.
I think that this idea is excellent as baking over a campfire is quite illogical.
Firstly the shape of the rolls etc, would not be what it resembles if a campfire was really baking 6them.
There needs to be a constant of heat from all sides to provide the correct shape.

Ps...
Perhaps a new cake could also be implemented-fruit cake...
We have enough fruits now to make one.

Elaralith · Post by **Elaralith** » Tue Feb 04, 2003 10:04 pm

@Brendan Exactly why I think baking over a campfire is...strange and unreasonable. One roastest meat and the like over a campfire, not bake easily scorched dough over it!

Hermie · Post by **Hermie** » Wed Feb 05, 2003 7:52 pm

I think the new oven idea makes sence. I also think that pots or couldrens (can't spell it right) could be added for cooking halfling stews over, yummy

Bumbol Woodstock · Post by **Bumbol Woodstock** » Thu Feb 06, 2003 12:10 am

yes, i 100% agree on you Elarith, it makes no sense cooking over fires and someone making great breads and cakes.

Iqloo · Post by **Iqloo** » Thu Feb 06, 2003 2:49 am

slaps Hermie

Are you mad man! i have enough people tring to make hobbit stew of me already! Now, maby a stew for cooking demon guts or lizard tails

drools

that would be a good idea!

...Oh yeah, and for the other stuff thats being talked about, the bakeing oven thing or whatever it is...

Brendan Mason · Post by **Brendan Mason** » Thu Feb 06, 2003 7:21 pm

Hehe...even some other hobbits like eating fellow Hobbits...
Anybody remember Andrew Horton?

But more about cooking...
Perhaps the oven (if implemented)could be placed threefold-
in Silverbrand, the tavern and in the workshop...

Elaralith · Post by **Elaralith** » Fri Feb 07, 2003 1:40 am

@Brendan Whether or not an oven was placed in Silverbrand would depend on the dwarves. The dwarves would have to pay for an oven if it were placed in Silverbrand, I believe, because Silverbrand is private party...same with the tavern. I think if ovens are to be implemented that a special building should be built for ovens to be placed in...called the Bakery. I do not think the oven fits in the Workshop environment as the workshop is for blacksmiths mainly with all the anvils and the gemcutter.

Brendan Mason · Post by **Brendan Mason** » Sat Feb 08, 2003 12:56 am

But where then, in-turn would the bakery be placed. We are running out of land and buildings are spreading too far into the countryside...

Elaralith · Post by **Elaralith** » Sun Feb 09, 2003 2:58 am

@Brendan Hmmm there is a lot of land in illarion that is still "wild". I would say we are a long way off from "running out of land". I would suggest the Bakery be built near the tavern.

Niniane · Post by **Niniane** » Sun Feb 09, 2003 3:22 am

As it is now there are only a few items that can be baked and these could all be cooked over an open fire using a flat rock placed at the edge. If there are so called Rangers or adventurers in the land they will need to eat and cook warm food so there must be the option to cook over an open fire. I would agree that if there are going to be more advanced baking items then a baking oven would be a nice addition but everyone needs to eat but not to eat the finer baking creations that would be done by a professional. Possible rolls or a loaf of bread baked over a fire would sell for less than a loaf baked in a baking oven because it wouldn't be as nicely shaped but it could still be made. This really is something that's should be in the back of the book of things to do however. Yet still a nice idea with some revisions.

Elaralith · Post by **Elaralith** » Mon Feb 10, 2003 4:52 am

@Niniane All the baking items we have now would be virtually impossible to be baked over a wild campfire, but would realistically need a baking oven to be produced. As for rangers etc., such people did not bake in the wild. They usually brought with them "hardbread" like biscuits that would not rot for a long time for journeys. What such people ate in the wild was the pre-pared "hard bread" etc., and possibly if lucky some meat they got from hunting. Also wild plants would have been consumed.

Niniane · Post by **Niniane** » Mon Feb 10, 2003 6:32 am

This is not meant to be an insult to you Elaralith but have you ever gone camping? You can cook nearly anything (within reason) on an open fire if you know how. You can also start a fire fairly easy if you've learned how.

Elaralith · Post by **Elaralith** » Mon Feb 10, 2003 10:51 pm

@Niniane Whether or not I have gone camping in the 21st century has no relevance whatsoever to whether or not starting a fire or baking bread over a blazing campfire was easy in the medieval ages. Nowadays of course starting a fire even in the wild is easy as we have all this technology to help us. Baking bread over a open campfire is even possible nowadays with all the new manufactured items such as movable ovens and all. Certain things are easily cooked over a campfire. Things such as pork. Items such as dough would be scorched over a campfire. Do you really believe that one can bake a cake over a campfire? The difficulty of starting a fire has already been discussed, and doesnt belong to this topic...

Niniane · Post by **Niniane** » Tue Feb 11, 2003 12:35 am

@Elaralith
Please read all the posts. I said nothing of modern instruments. The reason I asked if you had ever gone camping is because you're speaking as if what you say is the absolute truth when in fact if you have never gone camping and attempted any of these things you're talking about then you have absolutely no ground to stand on when making your argument. If you have gone out with friends and tried any of those things you should have realized it was quite simple if the person knew what they were doing (which many people living in the illarion setting would if they had to do something like that every day or learned at a young age as they would in this the time frame illarion is set in) You could cook along side the fire using a flat rock to cook on top of (as stated earlier). You don't have to hold something directly over a fire in order to cook using a fire. You don't have to have a blazing fire to cook either. You could cook on a hot rock next to or on top of hot coals. They would not be scorched. Just because the graphic for the game now shows a fire and then ash does not mean a fire burns in this manner. It would dwindle and turn into a bed of coals at which point you could cook anything on top of it or next to it without burning the item with the flame. It is possible to cook dough using a campfire and is done so today by a few nomad tribes living in the Sahara desert where they cook the dough on the embers under the sand. It's commonly called 'sand bread' if you would like to take some time and how it's done. If you're going to cook on top of a hot rock next to or on top of embers you could theoretically cook anything you wanted. Cakes too.

Also as a note. When you respond to people telling them their comments are unnecessary as they do not add to the conversation at hand you're doing the same thing as they are and only perpetuating the problem.

Hermie · Post by **Hermie** » Tue Feb 11, 2003 3:53 am

I never meant hobbit stew as in the hobbit being the ingredient! I meant it is a stew made BY (not with) hobbits. We would use onions, meat, and cabbage ... yummy! And I agree with Elaralith that the bakery should be next to the tavern, there aren't enough buildings that side of the river yet.

Elaralith · Post by **Elaralith** » Thu Feb 13, 2003 1:02 am

@Hermie I think so too. Also I thought of having the bakery next to the tavern because it is just convenient *g*. People in the tavern after a nice long drink and who were hungry could easily go next door and buy some bread.