Da only reason heb was jailed was because someone paid da grey rose tu jail him. Meh was talking tu lennie about dis and heb said dat da grey rose was on contract, but he would nub tell meh who.
All dis is , is sumeone dat wunted power but couldnt geb it any oder way
--Hu'greu--
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I think people are missing some points here.
-Yes, Silverbrand made the official declaration of war first, but think about where the FIRST act of aggression was. The decision to take their property and give it to a new owner. I'm not here to argue whether that is a good idea or not, but think about it from their view there, definetly provocative and unnecessary. Secondly, Stephen declined a very reasonable agreement with the dwarves. Does that sound like someone working in the best interest to keep peace? He was more willing to make peace with the temple than he was with a neighbor, one whom has had very good relations with Trollsbane before he came.
-I find the fact that he had no clue what the "enemy" was doing when he arrived extremely frightening in a way. I wonder if they are this ignorant on Negros and the temple.
-It was not only Silverbrand as some claim here, there have been verbal and written threats towards other towns as well from both him and Grant, also disturbing. The most recent case being the Briar, though Dusty seems to be taking bribes at the present time so he isn't of much help on this.
Last, if people only want power for themselves, then they have failed, as the election winner will be the new governor. Unless you think Brer or Liles are the mastermind of all this, hm?
F
-Yes, Silverbrand made the official declaration of war first, but think about where the FIRST act of aggression was. The decision to take their property and give it to a new owner. I'm not here to argue whether that is a good idea or not, but think about it from their view there, definetly provocative and unnecessary. Secondly, Stephen declined a very reasonable agreement with the dwarves. Does that sound like someone working in the best interest to keep peace? He was more willing to make peace with the temple than he was with a neighbor, one whom has had very good relations with Trollsbane before he came.
-I find the fact that he had no clue what the "enemy" was doing when he arrived extremely frightening in a way. I wonder if they are this ignorant on Negros and the temple.
-It was not only Silverbrand as some claim here, there have been verbal and written threats towards other towns as well from both him and Grant, also disturbing. The most recent case being the Briar, though Dusty seems to be taking bribes at the present time so he isn't of much help on this.
Last, if people only want power for themselves, then they have failed, as the election winner will be the new governor. Unless you think Brer or Liles are the mastermind of all this, hm?
F
Basically the deal would cease hostilities between the two towns, stop giving the tavern to a different owner, have Trollsbane rules and policy applied to the tavern property, but Stephen declined because it didnt involve them handing over Gloin for execution. And as a note, Gloin went insane, and was being held safely by the dwarves, and I personally didn't understand the need to have him killed.
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Korm Kormsen
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dear Mr. F,
in most points i agree with you.
but, about mayor dusty being bribed...
think it over.
that must be some really rich person, giving a really huge sum, to bribe a filthy rich halfling merchant....
everybody has his price. but i do not think, that dusty might sell himself off for small change...
or were your remarks just slander?
tjalf
in most points i agree with you.
but, about mayor dusty being bribed...
think it over.
that must be some really rich person, giving a really huge sum, to bribe a filthy rich halfling merchant....
everybody has his price. but i do not think, that dusty might sell himself off for small change...
or were your remarks just slander?
tjalf
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dear Mr. F,
another reason?
for instance, we got one very frightend hobbit?
he never did say so, but i notice, that he lets himself be seen by people for shorter times and he did not fall back in his old behaviour, to be reachable as often as possible for his customers.
and, there are enough madmen out there, who might try to pull the same stunt...
dear Mr. Hu'greu,
mr. F just put an accusation in the world. without giving any facts.
how to defend oneself against anything like that?
if somebody does something, it might be proved, or not.
if somebody does not do a certain thing, it is impossible, to prove that. just because it had not been done.
and to your lines about stephen rothman, and what he did, or not, i do not want to comment.
(see, i mean it, when i say, that the briar should be neutral.)
tjalf
another reason?
for instance, we got one very frightend hobbit?
he never did say so, but i notice, that he lets himself be seen by people for shorter times and he did not fall back in his old behaviour, to be reachable as often as possible for his customers.
and, there are enough madmen out there, who might try to pull the same stunt...
dear Mr. Hu'greu,
mr. F just put an accusation in the world. without giving any facts.
how to defend oneself against anything like that?
if somebody does something, it might be proved, or not.
if somebody does not do a certain thing, it is impossible, to prove that. just because it had not been done.
and to your lines about stephen rothman, and what he did, or not, i do not want to comment.
(see, i mean it, when i say, that the briar should be neutral.)
tjalf
Well, let's see.
He was kidnapped by Stephen's son. He was somehow freed, and the details about that have pretty much remained undiscussed. Then he apologizes and forgives them a couple days later to promote peace, when Grant and them aren't really advocating peace. They threatened to do similar actions to other towns. Makes a lot of sense, yes?
F
He was kidnapped by Stephen's son. He was somehow freed, and the details about that have pretty much remained undiscussed. Then he apologizes and forgives them a couple days later to promote peace, when Grant and them aren't really advocating peace. They threatened to do similar actions to other towns. Makes a lot of sense, yes?
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Korm Kormsen
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well, Mr. f, i have not even been kidnapped, but i do as well advokate peace.
it might be a cutious idea for a fighter, but farmers, craftsmen and merchants love peace.
Mr. grant rothman,
i know about at least two different persons of certain influence or power, who claim to have influenced you, to set Mayor bottoms free.
so i find it difficult, to believe your words.
by the way, if that is the manner how you treat your friends, it would be interesting, to know what you would like to cut of your enemies...
tjalf
it might be a cutious idea for a fighter, but farmers, craftsmen and merchants love peace.
Mr. grant rothman,
i know about at least two different persons of certain influence or power, who claim to have influenced you, to set Mayor bottoms free.
so i find it difficult, to believe your words.
by the way, if that is the manner how you treat your friends, it would be interesting, to know what you would like to cut of your enemies...
tjalf
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Even if these reasons where true, wich they are not or only for the tiniest bit.
Stephen should be treated the same as another would be.
The rules mus apply as always.
Silverbrand officialy declared war, giving Stephen every right to attack at any time.
Taking over the isle of Gobiath is a simple rumor and there is no proof of such.
Accusing people of things has never been against the rules, and both parties are guilty for this, therefore either both parties must face the sentance or none of the two.
Execution for murder is not a rule, and personally, with all these accusations and threats you've been throwing at him I think he has every right to. Though my personal feelings may not matter I say this to say it, so any comments on this will be invalid.
Meet with me if you wish, I will gladly discuss these things if you are prepared to listen as an outsider, taking no first choise in either side.
Signed:
Kevin Lightdot
Stephen should be treated the same as another would be.
The rules mus apply as always.
Silverbrand officialy declared war, giving Stephen every right to attack at any time.
Taking over the isle of Gobiath is a simple rumor and there is no proof of such.
Accusing people of things has never been against the rules, and both parties are guilty for this, therefore either both parties must face the sentance or none of the two.
Execution for murder is not a rule, and personally, with all these accusations and threats you've been throwing at him I think he has every right to. Though my personal feelings may not matter I say this to say it, so any comments on this will be invalid.
Meet with me if you wish, I will gladly discuss these things if you are prepared to listen as an outsider, taking no first choise in either side.
Signed:
Kevin Lightdot
The lad Kevin has a point in this. Silverbrand declared war first because they believed that the tavern, which is on trollsbane's soil, did not have to pay taxes as all other business did. They got angry because stephen reclaimed the land back for trollsbane and was to auction it. They started the war, and in essense twas thier own foolishness that got them attacked. I do not begrudge Stephen for attacking them during thier ritual prayers, for that was a brilliant strategic move on his part, catching the enemy unaware and defencless. The only reason Rothman is now in jail is because the town of trollsbane did not have the stomach to stop the alliance. There are no rules in war, so stephen's move to attack during thier ritual was a very good strategic plan. Most of trollsbane thought Stephen a dictator and other such things, let me tell you some of the things people have forgotten.
Stephen rebuild a large portion of the town, including her walls, he built a strong military force to defend her borders, and he also helped with the introduction of trial laws that were placed firmly within trollsbane (to my dismay.)
Curse and rave at the man as you desire, for you all have your right to an oppinion, no matter how biased or off based it may be. As for people believing they could controll the town with no government at all, remind me what happened every time there was an assult and no guard nor knight was there to help the people? Oh, yes that is right, most of them were severly wounded.
Revlen
Stephen rebuild a large portion of the town, including her walls, he built a strong military force to defend her borders, and he also helped with the introduction of trial laws that were placed firmly within trollsbane (to my dismay.)
Curse and rave at the man as you desire, for you all have your right to an oppinion, no matter how biased or off based it may be. As for people believing they could controll the town with no government at all, remind me what happened every time there was an assult and no guard nor knight was there to help the people? Oh, yes that is right, most of them were severly wounded.
Revlen
Revlen, many times guards were absent, and many times the town was victorious nonetheless, don't kid yourself.
As to this, I think it's time to put an end to it. There is violence happening over it, and still little word from the Rose or anyone about a trial or the fate of Stephen. I think it should be decided while the election goes on. The victor and the new system gets propped up, some type of deal is made on Stephen's fate, and we move on. Why haven't things been moving? At least from a public stand point.
F
As to this, I think it's time to put an end to it. There is violence happening over it, and still little word from the Rose or anyone about a trial or the fate of Stephen. I think it should be decided while the election goes on. The victor and the new system gets propped up, some type of deal is made on Stephen's fate, and we move on. Why haven't things been moving? At least from a public stand point.
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even taken into account that a dwarves started the war, since Stephen and his men lost technically, they are now prisoners of war. the winning side would of course now decide the fate of the losing faction. once a war is over, who started it is irrelivent, as are the unsorted details of every account outside of a trial. frankly stated, there's no reason Stephen should be freed. nor would any of the people currently discussing the matter have a say in his punishment. those rallying now are those of the losing faction, whom have no say what so ever and should be thankful that they aren't being treated as war criminals, those who were on the winning side and now want mercy for him, but forget that the conflict settled is between Stephens group and the dwarves, who were wronged, meaning this is a matter of country persay to the dwarven people, and finally those whom weren't on either side, who are free to offer an opinion but must remember that they have no internal first hand knowledge on the actual goings on over the past months, and base most there arguements on what there ears hear, which is never quite as reliable as what ones eyes see.
however i agree, that something should be decided soon, on the case of Stephen Rothman, before the propaganda gets out of hand. the dwarven state has the right to decide how there enemy will be dealt with, all other groups, even allies, cannot sway them this right and would not want this right taken from them in the same case.
Athian Corulas
of Varshikar
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however i agree, that something should be decided soon, on the case of Stephen Rothman, before the propaganda gets out of hand. the dwarven state has the right to decide how there enemy will be dealt with, all other groups, even allies, cannot sway them this right and would not want this right taken from them in the same case.
Athian Corulas
of Varshikar
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There are no rules in war, any who says otherwise are fools or naive. You belive that the town will have any say in Stephen's fate even when the government has been formed and stability restored? Athian is right on this subject, no one shall have a say in it other than Silverbrand.
And Fooser, i kid myself none, i remember the days of drow raids, and raids of different factions befor and after that. My point is the guard and knighthood were not neccesarily part of the government but defenders of the town. I remember many to whom were wounded in raids, worse so when those such as the guard and knighthood were not there to defend the citizens. Am i saying the town was completely overrun, on some occasions yes, on most no.
Revlen
And Fooser, i kid myself none, i remember the days of drow raids, and raids of different factions befor and after that. My point is the guard and knighthood were not neccesarily part of the government but defenders of the town. I remember many to whom were wounded in raids, worse so when those such as the guard and knighthood were not there to defend the citizens. Am i saying the town was completely overrun, on some occasions yes, on most no.
Revlen
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If you wish to punish Stephen, do it as the rules say, and only punish him for the points that you can prove wich happened.
He was captured by the people of Trollsbane and the Grey Rose mainly, and on Trollsbane land so I say you should gudge him like any offender of those crimes. And once again the only crime that you can truely prove is the one involving Siltaris, resulting in a ban of no more than a week usualy.
Signed:
Kevin Lightdot
He was captured by the people of Trollsbane and the Grey Rose mainly, and on Trollsbane land so I say you should gudge him like any offender of those crimes. And once again the only crime that you can truely prove is the one involving Siltaris, resulting in a ban of no more than a week usualy.
Signed:
Kevin Lightdot