Vote: Laws

Garett Gwenour · Post by **Garett Gwenour** » Thu May 11, 2006 2:13 am

Here are some new votes. As always only citizens are allow to vote. Those exemp from voting are the Governor and Vice-Governor.

Issue: Should it be allowed for people to speak ill of another's race, insulting and showing bad behavior in town without consequence. Please vote if you think there should be consequence or not. And also please add a short note about what you think the recommended consequence is.

Agreeing means: You feel it is allowed to speak ill of another race, insult and show bad behavior in town.

Disagreeing means: you feel if anyone acts like that, consequences should be handed out.

Stephen Rothman
Governor of Trolls Bane

Cliu Beothach · Post by **Cliu Beothach** » Thu May 11, 2006 2:25 am

I feel it should be. It is rediculous, not being able to express one's feelings. If I talk ill of someone, they still have the right to talk back to me.

~Brer Beothach~

Jeanette · Post by **Jeanette** » Thu May 11, 2006 2:31 am

I don't think its very nice to say something bad about anyone in the first place. I've gotten pretty far in life without insulting anyone, but as it is I also think that we're all entitled to our opinions. If someone doesn't like me they can say so in any way they see fit, but I also am entitled not to have to listen.

Jeanette

Gray · Post by **Gray** » Thu May 11, 2006 2:43 am

Hooray for totalitarianism!

*unsigned*

Garett Gwenour · Post by **Garett Gwenour** » Thu May 11, 2006 2:48 am

I believe in a Totalerant state there is no voting. You may go back into your hole now.

Stephen Rothman

Lance Thunnigan · Post by **Lance Thunnigan** » Thu May 11, 2006 3:40 am

What kind of a dumbass vote IS this?
~GyB

Poots · Post by **Poots** » Thu May 11, 2006 5:09 am

I should be allowed to speak my mind, I agree with this law.

~Allen~

Samantha Meryadeles · Post by **Samantha Meryadeles** » Thu May 11, 2006 5:14 am

I fear many of you haven't read really what Mister Rothman wrote there. You all agreed that it should be allowed to insult everyone inside town and show bad behaviour, like immorality or spitting at other peoples.

You may overthink that, because if you agree that it is allowed to behave so you will agree on abasement of morality in the town. Is that really what you wishes?

To agree means it is allowed to behave bad and insult others, to not agree means it should be punished!

~Lady Samantha Meryadeles~

NirAntae · Post by **NirAntae** » Thu May 11, 2006 5:29 am

Samantha~

You are quite right that such behavoir is immoral, and it is wrong, and people should not behave in such a way.

However, laws should not be made to enforce any person's or group's morals upon all. That is not what governments are there for. You cannot even pretend to say that a government is based on the people, on freedom, if it begins to dictate people's morals, so long as those moral standards do not harm another person. And I am sorry, but wounding your oh-so-delicate 'honor' is not 'harming' you.

I am not a citizen of Troll's Bane, and thus have no vote, but this is at least something for those who can, to think about.

~Maggie Kemoc~

xBaurusx · Post by **xBaurusx** » Thu May 11, 2006 5:46 am

I belive that you should be be able to speak of others to a cirtain extent. like only talking ill in private.. i do not belive people should be able to just walk around Trolls Bane speaking rubbish about people.
This should be kept to yourself or someone close by, not spread throughout the town.

Baurus

Poots · Post by **Poots** » Thu May 11, 2006 5:53 am

I believe a man can do whatever he wants with his speech, as long as it's not summoning anything. someone insults you take it like a man.

~Allen~

Daashi · Post by **Daashi** » Thu May 11, 2006 7:33 am

To censor our words, our behaviour and even our thoughts, is not something I wish to vote one.

If someone has insulted a race and it has lead to hostilities, then they may with punished, but not because of what they said but because they had threatened the peace and Safety of Trolls Bane with they're careless words.

Keep the laws as they are. People should be able to judge what is wrong and what is right, in how they and others behave.

Sincerely
Leto Mahn

P.S - Governor, perhaps you should consider resigning your office before someone decides to take it from you.

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Thu May 11, 2006 8:09 am

Firstly, be thankful this governor gives you a choice and a voice. Plenty others would simply chop off tongues than deal with the pig dung that spews from some mouths around here, and plenty more to make you wish you were dead than live the seeming eternity of one more day under their rule.

Gruesome realness aside.
I think spoken agressorness should not be openly accepted. Words provoking someone to attack and be punish for the attack is simple dishonorable. Walk outside, and be nice to the town and let the pool of blood be outside, we don't want our craftsman breaking an wrist after slipping on your removed guts.

I wholy disagree with this law.

Georgius

Drex Thaendrak · Post by **Drex Thaendrak** » Thu May 11, 2006 9:02 am

Sorry, that I have to say that, but this is not a law, this is is an invitation to lock away everyone who says or does anything Governor Rothman or the guard do not like. It nowhere states what "bad behaviour" or "speaking ill" means. What norm are you going to judge this on? How can the citizens be sure you don't just change this norm to whatever mood you are on?
Allowing this law to pass through is the first step into giving away all your freedom and citizens rights. I am not a citizen of this town right now, but I am going to change this as soon as possible, seeing what kind of laws are voted upon here.
I ask all citizens with common sense to vote against this law.

Drex Thaendrak

Merchant and Pawnbroker

Garett Gwenour · Post by **Garett Gwenour** » Thu May 11, 2006 3:58 pm

How could I possibly censor your thoughts ? Or your words ?

You all complain about the problems with orcs. Where do you think it stems from ? When you insult an orc like Drex did yesterday speaking ill of the orc's race, they will attack the town. If we do not tolerate the orcs, we do not treat them equally we will forever be at war.
There are some who would fear me to be a dictator of Trolls Bane. If you don't want anything done in this town, if you want no leadership instead anarchy make a vote I will leave happily. I spent my family's fortune on this town to ensure the city will get active constructors to build better walls, to fund the town guard, to make housing and to make sure shop owners are active. I spent the Knighthood I constructed here to make sure the city Trolls bane was defended and kept safe. And get no thanks. I bend over backwards to make sure criminals have rights and that trials can be held. I get no thanks.

Make the vote and I will leave.

Stephen Rothman
Governor of Trolls Bane

Korwin · Post by **Korwin** » Fri May 12, 2006 2:21 am

I agree that slander is an area too sensitive to be dealt with by law. I find it unrealistic to think that these cases can routinely be fairly resolved, and further believe the enforcement of a 'no rude behaviour' law is a senseless expenditure of guard time and energy.

-Orren Padick