[Vote] Property Policies for Trollsbane

Fooser · Post by **Fooser** » Wed May 03, 2006 4:46 am

Almost everyone voted for formalizing laws for property. This is a first draft, so a simple "Yes" or "No" will do, and maybe a few comments. Only Trollsbane citizens can vote, you can become a citizen in many ways if you wish to be one:

Ownership

Secondary Owners
To avoid the complications like the Seahorse Inn, I think it would be a wise idea to have secondary owners. These would be people appointed by the real owner of land or a building, who will take responsibility of the land or building if the original owner no longer can, or is no longer around. This will be more formal, the owner will register themself and the secondary owner, for organizational purposes. It would be preferred if the secondary owner is someone who can be found easy.

So it would work like this,
Primary Owner: A guild, group, or person
Secondary Owner: A single person who is responsible for the land when the current owner cannot

Future Auctions
For future auction, only a citizen of Trollsbane can win the auction to gain ownership of the land. This does not count for past land sales or current buildings. If a non-citizen wins, then the auction is void, unless it is sold to the highest bidder who lives within the town.

Removal of Ownership
Ownership of land or non-public buildings (ex. The shop) can be challenged if they do not pay taxes within a reasonable amount of time. Arrangements can be made if the owners are active, but the tax is too burdensome on them at the time. (This is a change from the current policy, which calls for fines, and possible jail time, I think that is too extreme and intimidating, and unwelcoming overall)

Selling Back Land/Buying Land
Owners can sell back their land/buildings to the government of Trollsbane. Citizens can also try to buy land/buildings, and citizens can get a discount for living within Trollsbanes.

Taxation

Taxes can be collected from owners every 6 weeks (2 RL Weeks), and will be dependant on the income of the service or building, or the size if the previous does not apply. Taxes should always remain within the reasonable level for the owners if they are active and caring for their property.

Removal of Ownership discussed before can also occur if the owner is inactive and refuses to pay tax over five weeks straight of non-payment.

[Fluffy sheep Tavern situation I believe will be handled privately, so discuss that elsewhere..]

Garett Gwenour · Post by **Garett Gwenour** » Thu May 04, 2006 10:10 pm

If none will vote at all I will suspect the Earl of the Rose was correct when he warned me the people of this town do not care about changes unless it stares them in the face. Please vote citizens.

Stephen Rothman
Governor of Trolls Bane

Miklorius · Post by **Miklorius** » Thu May 04, 2006 10:23 pm

Yes, the Earl of the Rose is correct, "Governor". You will realize that yourself soon...

unsigned

Arameh · Post by **Arameh** » Thu May 04, 2006 10:23 pm

Maybe it is not very clear on what we vote for here? If its asking if this system is alright, I would vote yes.
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Fourth Knight Arameh of Kallahorn

Salathe · Post by **Salathe** » Thu May 04, 2006 11:35 pm

If this is for future buildings only, i vote yes. If it is for all current standing buildings, then no

Poots · Post by **Poots** » Thu May 04, 2006 11:45 pm

I agree with Aremeh.

~Allen~

Lance Thunnigan · Post by **Lance Thunnigan** » Fri May 05, 2006 12:22 am

Being taxed by a self-proclaimed government, how nice.
~GyB

Cliu Beothach · Post by **Cliu Beothach** » Fri May 05, 2006 1:03 am

It is also very nice how you get to vote on these decisions, isn't it?

~Brer Beothach~
Magistrate of Trollsbane

Korwin · Post by **Korwin** » Fri May 05, 2006 1:36 am

Secondary Owners
I agree with this law. This system will help owners maintain control of buildings in the event of a sudden, or unexpected departure from which they may well return. However, an owner should, of course, have the option to not appoint a secondary owner.

Future Auctions
I disagree with this law. I see it as a needless limitation imposed for the sole purpose of forcing individuals to register as citizens of Trollsbane. Further, this law will reduce the pool of those eligible to purchase buildings, which in turn reduces the pool of suitable owners, and perhaps the amount of silver to be spent on the structure. Finally, allowing those who are not citizens of Trollsbane to purchase property will draw more individuals to the town.

Removal of Ownership
I agree with this law. It seems to encourage the ownership of property, and reduce idle land holding.

Selling Back Land/Buying Land
I abstain from voting in regards to this law. Without more specific information about how ownership is passed from one owner to the next, I cannot make an informed choice. Given that they have purchased the structure, rather than renting it, owners should be able to pass ownership directly to the next owner with little to no additional fees, including a second auction.

However, land and buildings should be sold back to Trollsbane if the owner desires.

Taxation
Taxes should be collected more infrequently, every 9 weeks (3 RL weeks).

In addition, I would like to suggest that building sales continue to occur in an auction style, with the starting bid decided upon by the government of Trollsbane. These auctions would ensure all interested parties had an opportunity to purchase the structure, and ensure the best price was attained.

-Orren Padick

Daashi · Post by **Daashi** » Fri May 05, 2006 2:14 am

I agree with everything except the taxes.

Land owners should be taxed every three months ((IG Time)). Therefore making taxes a quarterly event.

Sincerely
Leto Mahn

Drex Thaendrak · Post by **Drex Thaendrak** » Fri May 05, 2006 4:00 pm

Owning land in Troll's Bane shouldn't be reserved for citizens only. This will hurt Merchants who want to set up trade beyond territorial borders.
I see no reason why citizens should not get advantages over non-citizens, but giving outsiders no chance at all will just scare them away.

Drex Thaendrak

merchant and Pawnbroker

Fooser · Post by **Fooser** » Fri May 05, 2006 4:33 pm

If all the buildings and property are owned by people elsewhere, then if something happened it would take a longer time to reach them and take care of it. Also if everything was owned by people in other towns, it wouldnt really be Trollsbane anymore would it?

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Drex Thaendrak · Post by **Drex Thaendrak** » Fri May 05, 2006 4:45 pm

Therefore citizens of Troll's Bane should be given advantages over non-citizens. The advantage just shouldn't be that citizens may, and non-citizens may not own. You are hurting yourself by not allowing foreign money to be invested in Troll's Bane.

Also I am still wondering how you set your citizen list up.
I for my part have lived in this town for years, safe the times where important matters called me away, I somehow seemed to have slipped from the list while people who do not even live here and have been removed on purpose by past governmental institutions somehow are on it.

Drex Thaendrak

Merchant and Pawnbroker

Devrah Windslasher ~ · Fri May 05, 2006 5:15 pm

Let's cut the bullshit. I have a great policy, one that I know our current 'governance system' would gladly purport, and most of the townspeople would, too. Anyone performing private and discreet favors donating to the overall satisfaction of Our Illustrious Governor while he beds but doesn't sleep, for all those who catch my drift, shall be granted under-the-table tax cuts. Donations include but are not limited to performing right-hand-man jobs, in whatever sense the portrayer will take it.

--DL

Cliu Beothach · Post by **Cliu Beothach** » Fri May 05, 2006 11:46 pm

Hmm, shall we really be cutting it?

It is peculiar how you tell us to stop the nonsense, yet you just dance around bushes. Be more specific and live up to your own standard.

~Brer Beothach~

Ullyatth Leader · Post by **Ullyatth Leader** » Sat May 06, 2006 1:02 pm

William stares at the message and blinks. He quickly takes a piece of parchment, scribbles on it and sends it to Cawdor. He then walks on.

Daashi · Post by **Daashi** » Sat May 06, 2006 1:53 pm

Devrah Windslasher ~ wrote:Let's cut the bullshit. I have a great policy, one that I know our current 'governance system' would gladly purport, and most of the townspeople would, too. Anyone performing private and discreet favors donating to the overall satisfaction of Our Illustrious Governor while he beds but doesn't sleep, for all those who catch my drift, shall be granted under-the-table tax cuts. Donations include but are not limited to performing right-hand-man jobs, in whatever sense the portrayer will take it.

--DL

So I take it you have somethng against people having sex?

Leto Mahn

P.S. Because if you do I must insist on being added to your hate/extremely dislike/bitch about them constantly list you seem to have.

Amitola Dyani · Post by **Amitola Dyani** » Sun May 07, 2006 1:11 am

I vote for the proposal as put forward by Fooser and Governor Rothman.
May it bring Troll's Bane prosperity not only for its citizens, but also to those who spend their time within the expanding walls.

signed,
~Amitola Dyani~