SAFE PLACES? - player killing should not be everywhere

Chyan Guo Messenger · Post by **Chyan Guo Messenger** » Wed Jun 12, 2002 8:14 pm

I think there should be areas where killing is not allowed.
like in a palace where the guards guard it.....or if there is guards in city...

alleys and the outside walls may not be safe.

do you think this is fair?

Turnupto · Post by **Turnupto** » Wed Jun 12, 2002 8:42 pm

In whole town killing is not allowed but some people do...

Chyan Guo Messenger · Post by **Chyan Guo Messenger** » Wed Jun 12, 2002 8:59 pm

im talking about spots where
playerkilling is disabled.............its a rough world isnt it

in Illarion?

Juliana · Post by **Juliana** » Thu Jun 13, 2002 5:25 pm

I don't think that it is good to do so. Playerkilling should be forbidden but not disabled. In my opinion there could be guards who watch a specific area and everyone who attacks another player or kills him would be arrested by the guards and brought to prison. This would be better than a no-killing-area.
Another thing is that PKs could use such an area for their advantage. They kill somebody and return to that area for not being punished.

Chyan Guo Messenger · Post by **Chyan Guo Messenger** » Fri Jun 14, 2002 2:25 am

well, im sure the guards can go in there and still arrest him.

you can like issue an warrant or something like that!

well, is that a solution?

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Fri Jun 14, 2002 3:49 am

No, it doesn't work.
This idea has been brought up before.

In a roleplaying world, there are too many factors to consider when trying to justify attacking someone and computer NPC guards don't have the ability to decide whether an attack was justified or not.

martin · Post by **martin** » Fri Jun 14, 2002 8:38 am

let me tell you something:
"protection zones" won't help. believe me, i know several games where they did that, and most of the time new problems arose.
guards won't help as well, you have that in UO, just have a look at it...

martin

Chyan Guo Messenger · Post by **Chyan Guo Messenger** » Fri Jun 14, 2002 1:42 pm

.......oh, so they cant tell if its justified....i see.

hum....so the only option is to report.

So when you die......what sort of abilities you loose?

on one of the post they said you lose .....stuff.....which ones?

strength, agility....or mining, smithing ect.?

martin:

.......you have that in UO? i dont know the programming stuff.....i dont know what UO is.
but i get the idea it wont work blah blah blah......

Juliana · Post by **Juliana** » Fri Jun 14, 2002 5:53 pm

Uo is Ultima online.

When you die you'll loose something from all abilities.

Chyan Guo Messenger · Post by **Chyan Guo Messenger** » Sat Jun 15, 2002 2:16 am

is it permiment? can you gain them back?

back only to the max limit you set for them?

Juliana · Post by **Juliana** » Sat Jun 15, 2002 2:40 pm

You can get the abilities back you've lost. You can also reach the max as before.

Chyan Guo Messenger · Post by **Chyan Guo Messenger** » Sat Jun 15, 2002 4:33 pm

thankyou Juliana,
thats all on this topic. im just happy you can get it back.
in real life, when i get beaten up, it takes me a week to heal my bruses.

Caranthir the great · Post by **Caranthir the great** » Sat Jun 15, 2002 8:54 pm

I wonder why no-one uses the word "murderer" anymore, but anyone who kills someone, regardless of the reasons why he did it is a "playerkiller".

Astral · Post by **Astral** » Sun Jun 16, 2002 3:41 am

PKing is already forbidden as of the game rules.
Murdering is not.

martin · Post by **martin** » Sun Jun 16, 2002 9:42 am

@cantir: i insisted on the use of the word "murderer" at the beginning of the game (instead of pk). i gave it up...

martin

Caranthir the great · Sun Jun 16, 2002 12:30 pm

Astral, what I mentioned was, that we are walking on dangerous path, if everyone who kills someone is accused to be a "pk". That gives the unneccecary picture that the killer would have broken rules somehow, even if he wouldn't have done that.

If a "good" RP murderer/person who has got a acceptable reason for his doings is confused with a reskiller-rulebreaker what good could come from that?

(Edited by Caranthir the great at 2:32 pm on June 16, 2002)

Chyan Guo Messenger · Post by **Chyan Guo Messenger** » Sun Jun 16, 2002 1:41 pm

what what is the difference between

murder

and

playerkilling?

you can murder without reason too i think.

Juliana · Post by **Juliana** » Sun Jun 16, 2002 4:38 pm

And that'S the point. If you murder someone without any reasons you'll be called a PK. But if you have a good story background you'll be called "only" a murderer. PKs break the rules of Illarion but to murder somebody is allowed.

Wegdrodel · Post by **Wegdrodel** » Sun Jun 16, 2002 5:08 pm

You can kill someone for getting his goods maybe!
You have never heard of people hiding in the shadow and waiting for helpless people!?
But it needs good RP! something like:

"A young female elf walks down the streets of Trolls' Bane. Suddenly there is a man jumping out of the shadow, grabbing her harms and holding a knife infront of her throat. "Give me all your money or die". The elf shutters and gives him everything she has got. The man throws her down to the ground and disappears in the shadow"

That's one part which needs good RP. But there is another way:

"A young female elf walks down the streets of Trolls' Bane. Suddenly there is a man jumping out of the shadow, grabbing her arms and holding a knife infront of her throat. "Give me all your money or die". The elf tries to flee and shouts for help. With a short cut the man kills the elf and takes all her goods. He disapperas in the shadow."

This is the solution with, I think good rp. ok, I think I totally failed by that, what I wanted to say..

Juliana · Post by **Juliana** » Sun Jun 16, 2002 9:44 pm

Thanks for your example, Wegdrodel.
But there's a little problem. You can't get the goods of anyone by killing him/her.
But your example shows what I mean. You need within a good story for killing someone.

Wegdrodel · Post by **Wegdrodel** » Sun Jun 16, 2002 10:04 pm

aye
But stealing will be introduced soon and the knock out system is planned also!
i think it won't be a problem than!

Chyan Guo Messenger · Mon Jun 17, 2002 12:21 pm

the knock-out system would be replacing the killing system or something?

Khanor Faenohan · Post by **Khanor Faenohan** » Mon Jun 17, 2002 7:17 pm

The problem with protection zones, justice fields, or whatever you want to call them is that it works both ways, sure you are protected from murder, but if someone murders you, many times and provokes you enough to want to kill them back, then they run to this area, its not fair on you because you cant!

Wegdrodel · Post by **Wegdrodel** » Fri Jun 28, 2002 3:43 pm

@Chyan:
I think you can first knock people out and rob their things, aftzer that you will have the choice of killing them, that's what I have heard, but I can tell nothing for sure.

@Khanor:
If someone kills you again and again, write down the date, the time and the number/name and write an e-mail to Bror. He will surely get punished/warned.

Setherioth · Post by **Setherioth** » Tue Jul 02, 2002 4:16 pm

We shouldn't need spots where player killing is disabled as playerkilling shouldn't be anywhere in the first place. And if we did add safe zones people would quickly star to abuse e.i what was mentioned above. somebody steals or kills somebody then ones to the safe zone and they can't be touched.