curious about something

Al'tian · Post by **Al'tian** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:40 pm

Well I'm curious why the graphics and models aren't as depicted at http://illarion.org/illarion/screenshot ... -03-09.jpg these are very nice images of things (armors, weapons, items, etc.) Just curious...

Cliu Beothach · Post by **Cliu Beothach** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:40 pm

those are the old gfx. Now we use new ones.

Al'tian · Post by **Al'tian** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:45 pm

Hmmm... I like those better... (or a lot of it) especially the avatars and the colors of the siding

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:51 pm

There are many reasons, but most of them are not very nice. The helmet is nice, but way too big, that helmet when layed on the ground could nearly cover up a halfling. That plate armor is bleck, terrible. Some of them were just pictures cut out of images found on the net. Also we have a certain lighting we use for everything now, and nearly all of these old graphics do not fit this lighting. Also, most of those things do not look nice. Those bricks look totally fake, and the old avatars are nearly as big as the buildings themselves. These were all changed for one reason or another.

Hermie · Post by **Hermie** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 4:21 am

Ah, the old days! Be still my beating heart!

martin · Post by **martin** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:13 am

I heard that several times now (the old graphics being better than the new ones). From a more objective point of view, this is wrong because of the following reasons:

1) The weaponry and armor worn by the avatars did not change, all avatars looked the same, no matter if they actually carried a weapon or not and so on. At no stage of the game one was able to see what a character wears.
2) The lightning of the characters was not only wrong (wrong direction and intensity), it turned as the character turned (which looks like a jumping, individual sun for every character) and it was partially *colored*.
3) The style of the characters did not fit together.
4) The animation of some characters was extremely poor, for example in the case of the femal elf.
5) Some characters were rendered with anti aliasing turned on, others with aa turned off. Horrible.
6) The size of the characters did not fit the size of e.g. buildings.
7) The brickwall you see in the background is extreeeemly ugly and does not fit illarion graphics by any means.

The stone you see is extreeeemly ugly and...
9) The tiles do not fit and look strange. They do not fit Illarion and they do not fit eachother. They simply do not cover the ground seemless.
10) The sheep... well, look yourself. It looks into the wrong direction and the lightning is nonsense, at least.
11) As Grobby already noted, some of the items were cut out from photos found in the net. They do not fit the perspective, they do not fit the style.
12) Most items looked crappy. Look at that armor.
13) Look at the pixel grain...
14) The color of the background hurts my eyes.
15) Last, but not least: I don't like a single, not a single one, graphic of that particular screenshot. Not one.

Martin

Al'tian · Post by **Al'tian** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:11 pm

Oh, I see heh maybe you should post a screenie of the new client? Then there won't be confusions like this

Quinasa · Post by **Quinasa** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 3:38 pm

That screenshot sucks. There were some things that were good about the graphics before the new client graphics came out, not everything was bad. But the new graphics now, the new client graphics are awesome. Sure some of them could be better, theres always room for improvement. The only thing about the new client's graphics that I don't like are the player graphics. I love how we now have a new female elf that doesn't look like a human but other than the elfess and the orcs all the other graphics look the same to me. And everyone is wearing the same colours, the ugly green-brown-orange. Thats the only thing I can think of that really bothers me and hinders my desire to RP. Other than that the game has done nothing but get better.

AlaineMilan · Post by **AlaineMilan** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 4:19 pm

the only thing i like is the green robe ^^ it looks like a ghost....i wish i played in these times *sighs*

Quinasa · Post by **Quinasa** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:09 pm

I do miss those capes. And the dresses, the blue ones that looked like ball gowns...

Ah, my wedding. What a great day it was for me.

Hermie · Post by **Hermie** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:23 pm

Why would you go to your own wedding holding a huge war axe? Heh.

I prefer the new gfx (although I haven't seen them all) but just that screenshot reminded me of some fun times.

Aristeaus · Post by **Aristeaus** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:32 pm

She was marrying me mr Hermit, you blame her

Quinasa · Post by **Quinasa** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:34 pm

EDIT: Cute darling.

Quin always always ALWAYS has some form of protection on her, her war axe was always strapped to her back, it was her most prized possession, a gift from her best friend. Just the morning before the wedding she had some elf threatening to attack her. She could have taken care of him easily but Arcia did the dirty work. ;]

AlaineMilan · Post by **AlaineMilan** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:48 pm

yay king quinasa you look so cute on your wedding XD

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 7:22 pm

Mmmmm...... colors.....
Homer like colors.....
Orange lifejackets everywhere make Homer go crazy!
Homer mad! Homer want kill!
GRAAAAHHHH!!!

Aegohl · Post by **Aegohl** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:13 am

I actually complimented Martin on the color scheme. It makes everything come together as one, cohesive unit. Of course, Martin then said "Well, not all of them fit the color scheme just right." ....He's so picky.

Quinasa · Post by **Quinasa** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:03 pm

Aegohl wrote:....He's so picky

Its what makes him so good at what he does. Where you see what is a major improvement, martin sees an improvement that still needs improvement. Its great how he doesn't help make something and just because it has his name on it make a fuss about its greatness, he's so good at it that he sees his mistakes without someone always pointing them out. Yay for him and the rest of the development team!!!

Misjbar · Post by **Misjbar** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:23 pm

Someone is brownnosing herself to the top!

(You know I wuv you Jaime! =D)

Conscience · Post by **Conscience** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:34 pm

All this pseudo-technical drivel about how the old graphics were "not compatible", "bad lighting", "too colorful", "wrong perspective" blah blah blah is simply sheer nonsense. The fact remains that the old graphics as a whole were far better, far nicer on the eyes, far more aesthetic than the new graphics will ever be. The honest opinion of the newcomer Al'tian who took one look at the old graphics and wondered why they were scrapped in favor of the uglier new graphics reinforces this view even more.

Who cares about insignificant little details about "lighting" and "perspective" from a wrong pseudo-technical view? You don't have to be an artist to recognize a good work of art and obviously the old graphics had superior lighting and perspective. Lighting and perspective are details that should make a graphic look better not worse. When these points are abused to make a good graphic look even worse than before then some serious thinking definitely needs to be done.

It is high time that the makers of these "new and improved" new graphics stopped relying on their arrogant egos to make decisions about graphic quality and actually took a reality check. Of course you can continue to bask in the hollow, flaky opinions of bootlickers and hide from reality just like the king who was naked. The rest of the world will move on however and one day you will find yourself destitute from all the time you lied to yourself.

Cliu Beothach · Post by **Cliu Beothach** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:41 pm

pseudo

You sure are fond of this word.

I like the new graphics just because they look better.

Japheth · Post by **Japheth** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:20 am

Conscience: You are, as always, entitled to your opinion (I don't think anyone actually has to tell you that). But just look at the old graphics without your "constant-grudge-oscope." See the tiles? They don't fit together. The palm trees from the old client used to look like Lego trees. Compare them to the new palm trees and be amazed.

That's just one example of the constant improvements of the Illarion graphics.

If you feel you can do any better, as a pseudo-graphics critique, I'm sure Martin would be delighted if you would send him a message.

Josefine da Vince · Post by **Josefine da Vince** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:38 am

I also like the new graphics more than the old one even though the old ones have a huge sentimental value...*sighs* they remind of so many nice hours I spend in Illarion.

But I have to agree with Quin (?) I do not like the look of the player characters except for the elves. The dwarves and halfings get confused, the male and female as well. And on the first sight the humans, male and female, look the same. Other than that it is great.

I feel bad now for saying it...

Fooser · Post by **Fooser** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:40 am

As the player of a lizard character, I would like to thank Martin and whoever else, for having less naked-ness for the lizards.

Olar Dessautus · Post by **Olar Dessautus** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:47 am

You'll all be glad to know i took the time to make this screenshot of my very own illarion-look-alike client.

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/8798 ... new3cm.png

Edit by Estralis: Use a thumbnail or a link, please.

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:47 am

Post Neo Modernist Surrealism Client! Incredible!

I just love how the similar features of all the characters portray the age of communist oppression and the hidden zombification feelings in the people's hearts, and the skinny figures represent how poverty and hunger are widespread, and how the thinning grass and grain lines and the lackluster architechtures represent the struggle for scarce resources and the economic recession! Bravo!

Olar Dessautus · Post by **Olar Dessautus** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 3:52 am

Thank you!! The game is called: "my best friend Hitler"

Amber · Post by **Amber** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 10:04 am

Olar Dessautus wrote:Thank you!! The game is called: "my best friend Hitler"

I did not find that quite funny.

Rackere Diplomatre · Post by **Rackere Diplomatre** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 10:55 am

I still wonder how Quin came to the prefix King...

Sima L. Séregon · Post by **Sima L. Séregon** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 11:19 am

My best friend Hitler????? +grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr+

Now I recall the film: "Don't mention the war".....hmmm

I dislike to discuss about the past, I just find the name awful and not really funny,

but to come back to the title, I like the humans end the elves. Halflings are sooo sweet and the dwarfs, hmm, I agree with Josefine, the dwarfladies aren't really nice and to difference from the men *ggg*!!!

Dónal Mason · Post by **Dónal Mason** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 11:23 am

Excellent. You have managed to make a bad joke about Hitler on a board full of German people. Way to go!

Oh, and the old graphics really did look like crap. Look at the boots for example. They were taken from the games made by Spiderweb Software. Why is the saw black? Those strawberries look awful. The new ones actually look like strawberries. The coal is just a black rock. The firnis blossom looks rather horrible, more like some disgusting little sea creature than a flower. And the halflings looked like they were wearing potato sacks.