Gaurds, such poorly done

[Kasume]

Here is how things work apparently with the gaurds. They feel the need that they can call in for help through any source of communication other than Illarion for back up of assistance. Apparently...

It originally starts with ONE gaurd following a group to the newly planned village to be built, which would be called Cape Vale. Obviously if gaurds found it being populated with Fooser and Sal, they would outbreak into a mess of fighting trying to take it from them. Of course! And I accept that! It's only right.

Although, when ONE gaurd comes, I expect only ONE gaurd to be there; untill the person goes back to town to assemble the others. Yeah, ok, sounds reasonable. Assemble a small group when you return, come back to attack. I'm pretty cool with it. How bout you? Sounds fair... yeah. It's good.

They are attempting to enforce Lyrenzia laws outside of Trollsbane, OK, fine with that. That's what any government would try to do.
So far, I have found nothing wrong. Although, suddenly, John Irenicus comes from the blue, as Gwyn is trying to kill Fooser the entire time. Wow! It's amazing! What is the irony of John showing up when Gwyn NEVER returned to report the sightings of Fooser and such! It's just sheer amazing! Must be some kind of magical mind talking, also known as, Instant Messanger of any sort.

Ok, so only two gaurds. I aint complaining right now actually. But, as soon as I realize the chances of John showing up, a lizard which I do not know the name of unfortunatly, shows up and stands next to them as if on their side. So, THAT is when I really start to get a tad agitated...
So, the arguing goes on. The lizard strangly disapears, and everything continues with arguing over who is being taken where and what is going on.

Might I add, JOHN and GYWN NEVER left the scene at ANY time what-so-ever. So, I expected them to be the only ones there at the time. Of course, something amazing happens! It's the flash of victory for the gaurds at last! Bloodskulls show up out of no where...

BLOODSKULLS show up OUT OF NO WHERE. Ok, about four orcs show up. I see one, and I hear Grunith talking while on his way. They are coming directly from the south as if they knew exactly where we were. Now, doesn't this seem purty obvious?

So far, I know that

Gwyn
John Irenicus
Grunith Shuth
Veralion

And three others, two orcs, one lizard, were apart of this rule violating act. People who were there watching were

Athian
Irania
Salathe
Fooser
Myself
Val De
Arist
Grubba ( Fixed! )

Now tell me... Doesn't this seem, strange that all of the same people of the same group come at the time in need of the gaurds! When THERE IS NO WAY OF TELLING THEM IN CHARACTER!

Sorry, but this is why I leave for moments at a time. It's this kind of poor role play that angers me. Why can't we just follow the SIMPLE and easy to read rules of the game!? Illarion staff even has them in TWO different languages! Lucky you guys!

Please, let the players of the gaurds explain with their sorry excuses below :

[Grubba]

and another orc.

That was me.

[Grubba]

Oh, and I saw John come up north with Salathe. I just assumed that Salathe brought him up there.

[Grunith Shuth]

God Kasume, I don't know why you even brought the Skulls into this. Such Crap, you didn't even know why we were up North! I am not here to bitch to you about anything but I must tell you the reason why we came. We did not know where you were actually except where Grant told us and that was where we made a guess at. He had said exactly that he would be building a town and that is how we knew of it. The reason we had come is because that we were angry that someone had come onto our territory that we had heard of. If you read our forum post under guilds post, you will see we warned you grant followers again.

We came to find out exactly who did for rp reasons. Now, so far I see nothing wrong here with out actions. You accuse us of ooc exchange and crap. No, you are wrong. We do not exchange ooc crap to come and find you. We had no damn idea the guard was even there. You heard Grunith and Veralion asking about who came to our territory. The other orcs had followed us as they were our own and we were wanting to know who did. Now, tell me this isn't wrong? It was pure coincidence we found you and the guard quarelling. We did NOT come to help them, but for our own personal reasons ig as orcs.

Now, I ask you to gather FULL information next time before you make such crap accusations and stop babbling on trying to get innocent third parties in trouble. And I am also very sure the guard has their own reasons for doing the such too. They found out Val had left our lands and headed to the other north. And there are those guards (even when people are not online) who keep watch on the streets. They had every right to come up and see him. I have no disrespect towards you two and your rp but as for your attitude and stupid accusations of people who have no idea what the hell was going on.

I have no more to say about this.

[Gwynnether]

You´ve forgotten Elise Gutenhof, who has seen that Gwynnether is fighting with Fooser and Val at the northgate.
She told John.
And John and Gwynnether already was been up there, where your "home" is.
That´s the reason why Gwynnether headed this point exactly, when she followed Val and Fooser.
Nothing more to say.
I have no idea where the orcs came from.

[John Irenicus]

I did not call anybody to come there.
I did not use any ooc this time, just the fact that some of you said that because of the testing phase you logged in inside town. Fine. You could have gone the "right" way out. You did not.

But, I don't want to make reproaches. I even don't have the right to. Thats why I didn't say or answer anything in ooc this time.

For the ingame reasons: Val and Fooser, long known outlaws, fighting aginst us every time they can again, shouldn't be in town. We always let them be in the south or east. We even let Val use the depot before, we are no monsters.

I think, nobody needs to explain why the guard wants to have them south or east, it's an ingame question.

If something was wrong here, tell me and I will be sorry for playing my ig role.

PO John.

@Grubba: Please check what you say first. Salathe did not tell me, in fact Elise told John and he decided to have a look at the places north, because he couldn't see anyone at the north gate any more.
And IF Salathe would have brought anybody there, it would have been IG. What should be wrong with that?

[Kasume]

Can you imagine the sheer chances of what happened? You're talking impossible...

Yet ALONE! You all greeted each other with such kindness...

[veralion]

Grunith explain the skulls reasons for being there. Now if you want to nag about this, then you can tell us why some people of your little posse were tresspassing on skull territory, and then in their cave. surely there would be fear of going in the friggin cave. how did they know someone wasnt there???
i dont want to change the subject. but seriously, STOP NAGGING
If the skulls colmed from their territory, then down and then through town. that would only leave one place where the other might be. exchanging info ooc is just sad. and as grun said, dont do this unless you have full proof.

[Salathe]

yea kasume, this is an ig matter, not an OOC

the bloodskulls came on their own reasons then whatever happened, happened. About gwyn getting john OOC, i dunno, maybe, i dont know the whole story. But this is an ig matter

and i was already up there when john came

once again, this isnt an OOC matter! we will deal with it ingame

[Val De Gausse]

You could have gone the "right" way out

I was up there before the testing phase occured...Don't put his on me buddy gameplay is almost ruined for me already

[Elise Gutenhof]

Jep, Elise saw some fightings and Gwyn, so she told that to john after she was in town.

[Grunith Shuth]

Kasume! You are beginning to sound like Grant! Damn it! Stop this! I told you that the skulls came up looking for whoever came to our land.

One of the peoples came to our land while WE weren't ONLINE and thought it free to roam around while Tar'naka was around. Just because we are not ONLINE doesn't mean we are not awake. We keep watch most of the time now on our territory and it must be taking into consideration that we are keeping a watch.

Our reason for coming to you ig was we were finding those offenders. Now stop nagging. Let me get you the definition of coincidence.

Coincidence- 1. chance happening: something that happens by chance in a surprising or remarkable way

2. happening without planning: the fact of happening by chance

Now, I request you stop nagging about this as I know, and all of us know, that nothing went on ooc. We don't even talk while we're ig! Using ooc is strictly retarded and I know many who do but I don't go and complain about them. You must realise that such players as us and as old as us do not do such crap! Read my post more thorougly damn it!

[Salathe]

could someone just close this

[Athian]

Even i have to admit though John, that 'looked' way to convinent. Gwyn was alone, then suddenly you, then Shukk then then Bloodskulls. your numbers more then doubled within ten minutes. maybe it was just by chance but even you have to admit that it had the look of a setup. the area is pretty remote in any case, so that furthered it's appearance even more. i'm not blaming anyone this time, and there was no killing. in fact aside from a bit of ooc it was rped well and as i said at least no one died. but i do understand Kasumes veiw on this as well. regardless, there is no need to argue any further on this.

OP Athian

[Grunith Shuth]

Yes, someone. It'll turn into a flame war if it isn't closed...

[Hermie]

[/CLOSE]

[Galim]

i can witness that elise told john that there are fights in the north. i was a few steps away and busy with a trade. after elise told it to john he run north.

[Salathe]

there, discussion over

[Kasume]

You do realize the sheer chances of this happening... And you act as if it is no big deal...

[Moathia]

I've seen this happen loads of times before Kasume, people getting into a fight, then some others turning up just in time, and more oten than not it's just concidnce, it isn't a big deal, your just upset that you lost and your looking for an excuse to get some people who caused you to loose in trouble, you've been talking to Grant too much.

[Kasume]

You see, that's where you're wrong. I could have given a damn that we lost. There wasn't even fighting...

[ezo]

Yes, someone. It'll turn into a flame war if it isn't closed...

[/CLOSED]

there, discussion over

Now it might just be me but i get the feeling that the people above might have been hinting at something, but if its slightly too subtle i might try and spell it out just to help.

This debate is not going anywhere and it is already turning into a flame war so we might aswell stop now.

[Val De Gausse]

The only one who lost was me...and not dying, it sucks cause now half of my rp is ruined.

No disrespect to players who had this done to me...they were just RPING. But still gonna be boring now.

[Irania]

It was so fun with Val up North with us! Flexing and being all around egotistical! LOL I'll sneak ya back up!
Woot woot! go me!

[Val De Gausse]

I don't know...probably jail me if they catch me up there...that is why.

[veralion]

thats one point of rp'ing! MWHAHAHA!

now just stop posting here. in fact, get a GM to delete this nonsense.

[Irania]

But that's not fair! You weren't even causing trouble for once! WTF!

[veralion]

wTFlMAOlOLoMGbRBtTYL AHH you hit a pet peeve

[Grant Herion]

Not once did I ever say anything abotu the town/village to any of the skulls except in ooc.

[ShadowKeeper]

This is how I saw what happened.....
Gwyn was badgering Fooser at the north gate where he was OUTSIDE the town, telling him that he was inside the town and everyone had to leave through the east or south gates, that they could not leave through the north gate. Hmm. She kept pushing and pushing and followed them up to the Vale. Fooser and party were already outside the town when Gwyn demanded that they leave town. This went on for several minutes as I watched.

When I came back from doing whatever it was I was doing they were all at the Vale, Gwyn was there whining and pestering that they hand over Fooser and such. Here is what I have to say.....

First I'd like to state that the guards of Trollsbane have NO jurisdiction OUTSIDE of town. If you all had valid reason for hunting them you went about it in the wrong way, it was HORRID and APPALLING RP. I'm disgusted. I'm not out to accuse anyone of doing it on purpose, but it should have been thought out better. It's understandable that IF they did something punishable by town laws that they be apprehended in the appropriate fashion. If it had anything to do with those who are banned from town being inside the town that can be blamed on the lag test and map reset. EVERYONE was logged in inside the town so there was no way to get out of town without first walking through it.

Secondly, if you have orders to hunt a "fugitive" or a "wrong-doer", the correct way to RP this out would be to post on the RP board that the someone being searched for is BEING SEARCHED FOR, etc. And it should not be the guards telling them they are under arrest in a place so far from town. Again I state that the guards have NO JURISDICTION OUSIDE OF TOWN and it was wrong of them to go as far north as they did to accost someone.

Several of the people that were there were even respected citizens of Trollsbane!

And lastly.... you don't want us in town and you don't want our chars outside the town where we can live peacefully. So what, we are supposed to stop playing the game? Bullshit. Some of you have to grow up and learn to RP like an adult. Seriously now.