OOC explanation for "Terms of capitulation"

[Derinoar Fallvictor]

I think this proposal doesn't really have problems. But, then again the other side will need to understand that if the war turns around then they must be able to handle prison times 10 hours and such.

I agree with Grant i don't mind handing over my stuff...but my depot is a bit far..How about all armour and any weapons but food and work tools stay in the depot

[Derinoar Fallvictor]

oh and we could rp hiding a few items maybe 3-4 of our treasured rp items..like Derinoars Black Lance made and sent to him form a old friend...

[Callith]

Just hand them to a non criminal friend for safe keeping.

[Derinoar Fallvictor]

Derinoar has none crimnal friends

[Hermie]

Or RP hiding them somewhere? Go out to some place you think will be safe, bury the items (be sensible, don't bury 100 plate armours etc ) Then just keep them in your depot but RP that they are still buried.

Just think of it like pirates burying treasure of something.

[Konstantin K]

@ Val de Gausse

Insulting the PO Hagen by comparing him with the communists etc. is not the way.

In my opinion, that comparison is not an insult, Zarah.
But I agree on flame wars.

That's why I never participate in any wars anymore, ingame especially. They are just not fun.
It seems that people simply don't want wars ingame to happen.

When town guard uses "nets", invisible RP'ed "soldiers", when upon entering Silverbrand you are killed with an instant kill function, there is really no point in opposing anything. It's discouraging.

Well duh, guess what? I am not just ramming into SilverBrand either. I
carefully hide from defense systems and outposts, using stealth. I must get my fair chance of making it through.

Basically, now it takes this course: don't mess with people who have the magic buttons. And there are more of them then you think.

Be a quiet gray mouse, don't dare to level up, just be there and be happy that you're there.

Right now there is only one place ingame which is still chaotic and fun.

[Val De Gausse]

I was trying to flame hagen. I don't really have anything against him OOC. But it was just a joke. And obviously this is why the game is getting bad now because no one can take a joke. I wonder if Hagen knew it was, I think he would. It wasn't suppose to be offensive in any manner.

[Caranthir the great]

I was trying to flame hagen. I don't really have anything against him OOC. But it was just a joke. And obviously this is why the game is getting bad now because no one can take a joke. I wonder if Hagen knew it was, I think he would. It wasn't suppose to be offensive in any manner.

You are contradicting yourself, by the way.

[Derinoar Fallvictor]

i think he means wasn't*

[Val De Gausse]

I did mean wasn't...

[Algerond Braunrock]

The more i read the more i get sick.

In my oppinion, some people put on too many rules. Lyrenzia put up smacc ( what maybe is not that bad ) and make rules and such.

I would like to see the players. In my mind i see some little kids, that want to have some might. Like I heared some days before: "If you will go below the smacc prices, i have to put you in prison or "whatever I cant remember.

What do you want? If you want such a smacc price or something like that, you have to tell it to every newbie. Not everyone looks ALL pages and links, before he starts playing.

This is an MEDIEVAL RPG, not an POLITICAL RPG. Think about this. If I read this stuff about war and slaying.... well... in my mind there forms one single word:




TIBIA

[Christiana]

what is the problem? you dont like smacc? you must not sell to smacc prices and if someone dont know smacc prices is it allready an ingame problem.

This is an MEDIEVAL RPG? yes it is, and in former times there was allready politics. there was politic long before christs birth. so why do you think there should be no politic ingame?

[Dónal Mason]

You can sell below SMACC prices, the trick is not getting caught doing it.

[Derinoar Fallvictor]

What so Ly. doesn't want everyone sell cheaper than there merecants now..damn that sucks I'm glad I do my trading out side of town..

[Derinoar Fallvictor]

Besides isn't it part of Trading and selling to have better deals than person selling what you are selling

[Adano Eles]

The problem is that everybody sticks too close to smacc prices, although they just define the lower border of possible pricing. If some chars could decide to sell their goods at higher prices because of better quality etc, and others could finally manage to surpass game technics and accept that there are quality differences between the weapons from a dwarven mastersmith and some apprentice human smith the market would already become much more interesting.

PS: A Quote from a game staff member (don't remember which one). He made it before Lyrenzia was founded:

"I wonder why there still is no kind of government in Troll's Bane."

I think this should show you in which direction the staff Illa wants to go.

[Algerond Braunrock]

Might be, that the staff wants it. But I think, that this is not the right way. The staff wanted, too, that this is not a Slaying-rpg. Its an rpg, where you can do your "job" or craftmanship.

I guess it was not plannede, to have war here. And I dislike the feeling, that there is war here in illarion. I came here, after i played TIBIA. I left that rpg, becuase there was mainly one thing ppl did. searching for a reason, to have war or to kill ppl for getting there items.

Same thing now happens here. Some people, take objekts from theire prisoners. Where do such objects go to? I dont think they will be destroyed without any wins

So this turns more into the game everybody hates, but many of you play like. There is only one difference from you to the tibian players. tibian players kill others, because they broke any ooc rule - you kill because of something you call RPG.

[Belegi]

Lyrenzia put up smacc

Completely wrong.

"If you will go below the smacc prices, i have to put you in prison"

?! There is no law that forbids to sell for less than SMACC. SMACC is ment to improve the game, to help merchants and to provide a general guidance how much an item is worth. [/quote]

[Caranthir the great]

Might be, that the staff wants it. But I think, that this is not the right way. The staff wanted, too, that this is not a Slaying-rpg. Its an rpg, where you can do your "job" or craftmanship.

I guess it was not plannede, to have war here. And I dislike the feeling, that there is war here in illarion. I came here, after i played TIBIA. I left that rpg, becuase there was mainly one thing ppl did. searching for a reason, to have war or to kill ppl for getting there items.

Same thing now happens here. Some people, take objekts from theire prisoners. Where do such objects go to? I dont think they will be destroyed without any wins

So this turns more into the game everybody hates, but many of you play like. There is only one difference from you to the tibian players. tibian players kill others, because they broke any ooc rule - you kill because of something you call RPG.

You might just end here and call it a day. I've rarely seen such a text where the writer has no damn idea of what he is talking about.

[Bloodhearte]

8 pages of bickering? Christ on a cracker...

Lyrenzia is a force to put up a fight against if your character doesn't like it. Simply, either do your best to sneak into town, or don't enter at all if you're not allowed.

My fingers will run themselves dead one day from typing in "roleplaying requires fairness and honesty from most people, if not everybody" too many times. Some people just don't seem to get it. Why is this so hard? There's more OOC flame wars than roleplay these days.

In the Middle Ages, guards certainly would've stripped you of your belongings, and then sent you to prison...or cut off a limb and be done with it. So, if you're unfortunate to get caught, empty your freakin' depot, and give the items to Hagen if he says so. He's looking in the same damn container as you after all.

What people don't get is that items, skills, and all that junk that people fear losing OOC is that most or all of them are recoverable. I go on a few times a week, for not very long, and I've lost things before.

[Moathia]

Algerond, I'm sorry, you don't seem to understand what happened in medievil times, you seem to think that everyone lived happily and loved each other, well they didn't, everyone was killing everyone else in a bid to become rich and famous, a country would go to war with another because a diplomat sneezed infront of their king, this is tame in comparrison, hell they didn't even have real gods who granted people powers, or monsters and demons that threatned town, you don't have to fight, but most people know how to defend themselves, this is a game, where people can live out their fantasy of being a great wizard or knight, or being a damsal in distress, if I wanted to spend all day working I'd get a job, I play this game because you don't have to work all the time and you can just have fun, I play this game beause there is wars and people killing each other, it makes it interesting, the diffrence between this and Tibia is that people needs a reason to kill you, not just, "lol n00b ki11 him!!!!!111111"

[Hermie]

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Not to forget countries would go to war with themselves, usually when a king died and had no heir. Rich lords (or whatever) would fight each other so they could claim the throne, people didn't sit around a fire and discuss things with punch and pie.

War does make the game interesting at times, but it is good in moderation. When there is constant conflict and struggle it gets quite lame and tiring. That's why we have monsters, so people don't have to fight each other.

[Cain Freemont]

What people are leaving out is one key detail...

Its not a medieval RPG, its a medieval fantasy RPG. The same aspects in real medieval history are not going to take place in a fantasy realm. The term "fantasy" was created to describe something not possible or highly unlikely in reality. I'm sure that elves and/or humans of fantasy nature probably would have sat down at a campfire and chatted away and what-not, but you can be sure that there would still be war.

With that said, I'd like to ask that the threads regarding these past flame wars be locked or deleted. Obviously those who want things to change back are not going to get their way at ALL and the people who want things to stay as they are will remain in their little worlds of not asking questions and demanding things be the way they are. To question is to be human. To not question defies one's humanity. I hope at least some of you understand that.

[Guardian Angel]

Speaking of jailing, there's one more thing I forgot to mention. Ever since Dyluck left (and there wasn't even hardly any jailings between Dyluck, Aragon, or anyone else back then as far as I know), there hasn't been any player (or not more than 1 at most probably) in Lyrenzia with jailing abilities from the North American time zone as far as I know.

So it strikes me as odd how almost virtually all german players who would have to deal with the jailings the most times, support the idea of Lyrenzia, while those who are prejudiced against Lyrenzia are mainly english players who complain about how horrible they think Lyrenzia's jailing made the game, and yet there is nobody to jail them for about half a day in their time when the European players are asleep, and yet there was usually hardly any of them online to enjoy this supposed haven away from jailers which they want. This tells me some of those people either have some other personal prejudice against the idea of Lyrenzia or the players of its people, for whatever reason. Or that they just want to use Lyrenzia as a scapegoat for the decrease of roleplaying within the english players, because they can't/won't/don't want to accept that it was caused by the natural departure of some good roleplayers over time and the overall lack of creativity/ability of the bulk of the remaining english players.

(I'm also aware of the possible effects of the skillgain difficulty and other technical issue, but I choose not to debate into detail about those here.)

[Moathia]

Guardian Angel, your talking from an extremely ignorant point of view, I only ever see Hagen online in the middle of the european night, which can range between 7pm - 4 pm in the US.

[Guardian Angel]

I'm not ignorant enough to call another person's point of view extremely ignorant, especially if my counter argument was backed only by personal experiences that cite only a small fraction of the time period in question, and uses only 3 hours out of a vast number of North American time zones to compare with an even wider unspecified time range of another place.

Anyhow, I suppose then that you are online often after 7pm in your zone with your many friends in this "Free From Hagen Haven"? Or do you conveniently only happen to play during the hours of "The Tyranical Hagen Hell"?

Strange enough, the number of players tend to be extremely low even after Hagen is gone and it is well after german/austrian midnight and well before midnight even in the earliest time zone of Noth America. Hmm. Maybe english players just conveniently happen to be busy during this golden opportunity?


I'll also further address the fact of those people who tend to say something like "Illarion went to hell since the day Lyrenzia was created", which is odd enough considering that it first had no technical powers while creating more roleplay possibilities involving politics, and that they didn't even have the power to jail at the time until some months later, which was then even rarely used up until Hagen appeared. This only further shows me, the likelihood that their anger is caused by some personal/political distaste.

[Taylor Dunn]

Guardian, I think your really paranoid.

[Moathia]

At least I have the guts to post my opinions on my proper board account.

I don't know what all the american time zones are, but I know they range from 5 hours in Atlanta to 8 hours in Cali, so unless my math is off, thats 3 hours. Germany is one hour ahead of the UK so thats 6-9 hours differance, so midnight in Germany is 3 in the afternoon in Cali. I and yes I am only online after 7pm my time, which happens to be 8 in Germany, and Hagen tends to be online over night, during the American day, he usually only appears at that time, but I've been known to log in at 3pm sometimes, so it depends. I genrally play when Hagen is around, and I have no problem with the way Hagen acts, he is a good role player.

Yes all the British players are usually asleep anytime after the CET midnight, as we are only one hour behind them. It's the Americans who get this chance not us, as we sleep.

[Hermie]

Not all Britains, some of us can't sleep you know! Then you realise something is wrong when your parents come down at 9am in the morning to find you've spent all night on Illarion...

As long as one can enjoy a quaint cup of afternoon tea, all is fine.

[Bloodhearte]

I think I might actually have a case of acute insomnia Hermie. Nights going into the morning are easy to remember now that I've been doing it for a year whether I WANTED sleep or not.