OOC explanation for "Terms of capitulation"

Algoran · Post by **Algoran** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 11:55 pm

I'm sorry. I didn't mean rare like flutes but rare as in very few people can make them, they are very hard to find and very expensive.

Can we not turn this into a "I know better than you" flame war about the game and try to find a solution to the problem in hand.

Cain Freemont · Post by **Cain Freemont** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 11:55 pm

Caranthir the great wrote:And you base that on..?

I base it on what I've seen and heard from other players.

Algoran wrote:Can we not turn this into a "I know better than you" flame war about the game and try to find a solution to the problem in hand.

The opposing side doesn't seem to think there even is a problem.

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 11:57 pm

yes, the topic was the ooc explanations. so we should stay by that. so ya all have a problem with the "taking all weapons and armors away" part? is it that? and the other things are okay for ya?

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 11:58 pm

I dunno, I just think Haggy is counting his eggs before they hatch...

Willum · Post by **Willum** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 11:59 pm

That not being able to join a giuld that is at war seems strange to me.

Caranthir the great · Sun Mar 28, 2004 12:01 am

Cain Freemont wrote:
Caranthir the great wrote:
The there was one problem, I agree. The Gamemasters made the error of thinking that not everyone (exaggeration) needed to be spoonfed the actions that one could take. Yes. Since there was no demon beamed infront of the people, everyone shit their pants because they were actually expected to do something else than to slay some monsters and call it a day.
That's a bit of an extreme exaggeration, Caranthir. There were never any hints dropped other than those that led straight to how things are now. The players were expected to make something from literally nothing. Such things are not possible.

Yes, they are. First thing you need to do, is to try something instead of scratching your arse and wondering why there is no neon-light arrow in the sky pointing where you need to go, and some dialogue-screen where you can choose what to say.

Cain Freemont · Post by **Cain Freemont** » Sun Mar 28, 2004 12:02 am

My only qualms with the topic are the one about weapons and..

Hagen von Rabenfeld wrote: Yes, even, if TB looses the war.

I'm just curious what TB is...

Willum · Post by **Willum** » Sun Mar 28, 2004 12:03 am

I belive thats is Trols ban which makes no sence to me.

Cain Freemont · Post by **Cain Freemont** » Sun Mar 28, 2004 12:03 am

Caranthir the great wrote:
Cain Freemont wrote:
Caranthir the great wrote:
The there was one problem, I agree. The Gamemasters made the error of thinking that not everyone (exaggeration) needed to be spoonfed the actions that one could take. Yes. Since there was no demon beamed infront of the people, everyone shit their pants because they were actually expected to do something else than to slay some monsters and call it a day.
That's a bit of an extreme exaggeration, Caranthir. There were never any hints dropped other than those that led straight to how things are now. The players were expected to make something from literally nothing. Such things are not possible.
Yes, they are. First thing you need to do, is to try something instead of scratching your arse and wondering why there is no neon-light arrow in the sky pointing where you need to go, and some dialogue-screen where you can choose what to say.

I didn't see you finding any alternative routes. Then again, your character is a councilor of Lyrenzia, so I guess that just shows where your choices went.

Willum wrote:I belive thats is Trols ban which makes no sence to me.

That's confusing. I thought that the war was against Lyrenzia. Actually, I'm positive that its against Lyrenzia, not the town itself.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Mar 28, 2004 12:04 am

Why do you still care of what is going on Grant? You quit the game..but you're still whining? Can you do anything but whining about everything?
Jeez you guys!
You all take it to seriously! You all take this conflict OOC ... you all make this game bad with you complaining!

There is a war in the game? So what? It's just a game...it's not like we're re-playing the Iraq-war or something ...

And as a reminder, not every char should be a superstar that can do everything ... You guys should learn it!!

Jeez that makes me mad!

By the way, I like the idea, Hagen, and it good that we have some OOC regulations to this war ...
Because it would be simple chaos without it ...

Taylor Dunn · Post by **Taylor Dunn** » Sun Mar 28, 2004 12:05 am

Can someone tell me what is going on here? TB? Jails? War with Northlot and Movement?

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Sun Mar 28, 2004 12:07 am

Galena what the hell are you talking about...?

Caranthir the great · Sun Mar 28, 2004 12:10 am

Oh no. My character took hardly any part into the solving of this quest, to be exact. There are also reasons and motives why not, but you don't have to know about them. But, as far as I know, there were several different means to solve this quest planned by the characters, but those were not taken to the end for one reason or another.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Mar 28, 2004 12:11 am

What I'm talking about, Grant?

Here, as a reminder:

http://illarion.org/community/forums/vi ... hp?t=10061

By the way, it's Galina ...

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Sun Mar 28, 2004 12:11 am

Well, maybe Darlok can say someone else could have ended up with his castle, but really that isn't true. Only Darlok knew about the alter, only Darlok knew how to use it. Only Darlok had the resources to pull it off.
I am not saying Darlok didn't deserve it, Darlok does deserve to have gotten his castle, I mean, if Darlok were to ever use it, Darlok the character would be nothing, he would be hunted constantly with no safe zone.

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Sun Mar 28, 2004 12:13 am

But galina, I already did quit "complaining" about it. Listen, there is nothing wrong with questioning things, and I think I had a good point about why Lyrenzia shouldn't have simply been able to jail people the day it came into power.
And the players can say Lyrenzia was planned for months, but I doubt it. They should have had Lyrenzia come to power without the jailing powers, and then after a couple of months earned the right to jail and then built on from there.

Caranthir the great · Sun Mar 28, 2004 12:16 am

And that is based on..? He would not have been hunted, if he had not broken the treaty with the Rose, etc.
The Altar was actually discovered by an expedition if I recall. I am certain, (we can ask for GM confirmation) that Darlok's defeat would have been one of the possible endings.

@Grants last post, wasn't that exactly what happened? And it was planned for months. Take my word as a player for it.

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Sun Mar 28, 2004 12:18 am

No, caranthir, Lyrenzia came out as a judging thing with instant access to jailings.

And another no caranthir, an expedition lead by Dyluck and a lot of other older players found Darlok worshipping the altar. But then they are fled or something when the Ogre King came.

Caranthir the great · Sun Mar 28, 2004 12:20 am

I could have sworn that a large group of characters entered the cave and discovered the Altar, when Darlok or nobody else was to be found.

And:
Oh yes. Now I recall, we indeed did have the jailingpowers when the juidical system was launched, however we did have the "exile" punishment. It would have been a perfectly good punishment, if it wouldn't have been ridiculed by the convicts as your character, Grant.
I think I have stated before, that this particular behaviour is the reason why the current jailingsystem is what it is. So you dug your own grave.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Mar 28, 2004 12:21 am

You know Grant, I guess you just can't lose.
You always want to be right ...
Some things are just how they are. Stop questioning everthing. It's annoying for the ones that just want to play this game ... you understand me? Please just stop ...

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Sun Mar 28, 2004 12:21 am

I guess we need to hear from Darlok..

And hahaha I tired out Gandela.

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Sun Mar 28, 2004 12:33 am

Well, I already wrote i Have no problem with Hagen's proposal ooc. But again I tell ya that Hagen is counting his chickens before they hatch, I mean, there are still a lot of Movement men who would rather die then be in jail til the end of the war; which could last quite a while since Darlok the character will be stubborn and hard to kill. Even sieging his castle would take a long time.

Zarah · Post by **Zarah** » Sun Mar 28, 2004 12:33 am

@ Val de Gausse

I understand that you and some other people are angered because of your situation of beeing banned from the town of Trolls Bane. I speak out of experience in saying that it is very hard to play a villain and not getting caught. But what you and some others are doing here isn't fair anymore. Insulting the PO Hagen by comparing him with the communists etc. is not the way, I think the board isn't the place for flame wars and personal insults. And I'm sure he is willing to discuss the matter of taking away ALL your weapons in a constructive way if you are too.

Caranthir the great · Sun Mar 28, 2004 12:38 am

@Grant

I wonder why I never get an answer to this:

And:
Oh yes. Now I recall, we indeed did have the jailingpowers when the juidical system was launched, however we did have the "exile" punishment. It would have been a perfectly good punishment, if it wouldn't have been ridiculed by the convicts as your character, Grant.
I think I have stated before, that this particular behaviour is the reason why the current jailingsystem is what it is. So you dug your own grave.

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Sun Mar 28, 2004 12:41 am

I didn't read that Caranthir, but that still doesn't prove anything. I really wouldn't mind prison times if Grobul's idea was implemented. Then it would feel less like "I have to get at least 2 hours off of prison time today" and move like "I could go hunting with Val on Grant today"...

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Sun Mar 28, 2004 12:45 am

oh,y es. you would go to jail with grant and would continue your same "roleplay" (strange that your roleplay are just fights) against lyrenzia with your character gorock. really, would be nice for you.

Gru'kuk Gorock · Post by **Gru'kuk Gorock** » Sun Mar 28, 2004 12:47 am

Actually Grant wasn't going to fight anyone for a LONG time becuase he is on a quest. Is it my fault that the Bloodskulls declare war on him? And then Gorock learns that the Bloodskulls were planning on taking him out of power fro mthe Rock Tribe and putting Kruuba there.
My roleplay got put together, i didnt do it on purpose.

Val De Gausse · Post by **Val De Gausse** » Sun Mar 28, 2004 12:54 am

@ Zarah

Hmm...maybe I was just kidding. Such an inane idea would obviously be a joke. Maybe THIS is why the game is fallling. No one takes to humor anymore

John Irenicus · Post by **John Irenicus** » Sun Mar 28, 2004 1:14 am

@Grant, Kru'kuk: PO Grant, this is a ooc discussion, no need to use your several board accounts to speak for yourself...

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Sun Mar 28, 2004 1:18 am

sorry, didnt think it mattered, i was posting things on gorock on the RPG, I didnt think it mattered.