An entertaining message

Hagen von Rabenfeld · Sat Mar 20, 2004 12:35 am

Dear citizens,

recently i received a special message, which i think is most amusing. I have decided to share this entertainment with the public.

Note: This message was delivered to me via an apple, tossed from the other side of the river. If anyone else is looking forward to send me secret messages, i have to say, i prefer a common dove.

On the original parchment another one is attached. The parchment is obviously covered with several stains. The handwriting is much more delicate and decorated than the guardsman´s and show, that a person cared a lot about the impression, that it would give the reader.

Hagen Von Rabenfield, Captain of the Guard,

I have taken the time to write this note to you to see if we could reach a compromise. I could be helpful to you, Hagen, more helpful than I would be if I were dead or in prison.

If you were following the right leads, you'd realize that I am not a violent type. Nor am I a thief. Nor can I cast magic. In other words, you have nothing on me, but I fear you could still be a danger.

I have found that recent partakings in local crime do not serve my interests. Rather, violence is bad for business. I never meant for things to get this messy. I fear I may have unintentionally contributed to the environment, however, and for that I am truly sorry.

I have offered this same proposition to Tialdin, in hopes that I could end the suffering and violence, but I have not heard word from him. Possibley you are a man of more wisdom than even him.

If you don't yet know what I am offering, I will make it explicitly clear. I am offering to become your informant on local crime. No one has learned so much and gained so much credibility within the blackmarkets and local gangs as myself. I would be quite an asset to a guardsman like yourself.

I expect all of this to be handled in a matter most confidential.

Your Hopeful Servant,

~~Moskher "Hesh" Heszche

P.S. Why be like Tialdin and send in spies, when you can have the man whose job it is to root out spies working for you? This should seem obvious.

You couldn´t imagine, what disturbing things you have to witness, while being on duty as a guardsman, dear citizens.

Yours,

~Hagen von Rabenfeld~
~your jolly corrupt guardsman~

TreeShadows · Post by **TreeShadows** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 12:45 am

Well well well, another rat it seems we have here.

Alora Ironforge · Post by **Alora Ironforge** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 1:20 am

Alora walks by the wall and glance's at Hagens letter...giggles to herself and walks on......

Aaron Groveburry · Post by **Aaron Groveburry** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 2:02 am

Hagen...this was unecessary. You are usually peaceful and kind...but this act has the lowest you have gone. I still hold respect for you, but Hagen...you endangered this man's life.

Selgoth · Post by **Selgoth** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 3:02 am

Someone with that level of loyalty deserves to die.

Nilo · Post by **Nilo** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 3:35 am

Nilo reads the messege and frowns

Hagen,

I would expect a town guard to honor something that is confidiential, even if it would mean you might get a bit of extra publicity with the citizens for an entertaining letter.

I should expect that you wouldnt give out confidential thing..

Yoru Concerned citizen,
nilo

Aaron Groveburry · Post by **Aaron Groveburry** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 3:39 am

As nilo said...you put this man's life in danger...I know him! He even stated he was peaceful. How could you do this?

Ezor Edwickton · Post by **Ezor Edwickton** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 3:44 am

I think it is amusing what hagen did. These fools deserve to be exposed. Don't let Moskher decive you to think he is harmless Aaron.

Ezor Edwickton

Aaron Groveburry · Post by **Aaron Groveburry** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 3:49 am

I don't mean to be rude, but anyone who gets entertained by this should re-evaluate themselves. This kind of feeling is not normal....or right. A satisfaction may be felt when something like this happens, but you should repress it or change.

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 4:05 am

He tries to help stop all the crimes on your streets. And your police force does not heed to his advice. He says he wants peace. And your police force simply makes it public as if it were a laughing matter the safety of your money and belongings.
You indeed have a ace for a Captain of a Guard.

Grant Herion

Hagen von Rabenfeld · Post by **Hagen von Rabenfeld** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 5:05 am

Unlike you, dear Grant, i do not cooperate with every cutthroat und liar, when it seems it would further my goal in the short sight.

And you really say, i should not inform the public, that a spy hides in their midst, who might aswell sell the informations to Darlok´s servant Gigasha, for which he worked in the past? Gigahsa who just helped to let the entrance of Silverbrand collapse?
And i should work together with a man, that wanted to take Alora Ironforge as a hostage? So, if you were commander of the guard, you would make dealings with spies and kidnappers, just because they say, they want peace and you would not expose a spy, to whom the people would speak openly otherwise, revealing important and maybe personal matters?

I should take an insult from such person as a compliment.

To Nilo. When Lyrenzia does something without involving the public, you complain that they plot in secret meetings. If i bring something infont of the public, you complain that i do not handle letters from a liar confidentally. If i would have worked together with this individual, you would have complained that we would spy on our own citizens. You sould think a moment, about what it means to care about the towns security. To let the citizens uninformed about a man gathering information about their own lives, would be nothing but high treason towards the people i have sworn to protect. Nothing else does it mean, not to give out this "confidental thing".

And to you Aaron, i am sure there is a special castle, which will give this poor spy shelter, for sure. If he gets in trouble with his employer, because he is now useless in his choosen proffession, the benefit outweights the danger in which i put someone, who lies for a living. I suggest he admits, that this is his letter and delivers those "interesting details" he poses to know to the public. If the citizens are convinced of his will, to change his ways, they might believe his words and let him join the community.You should not forget you do not get the credibility, he speaks of, by honest means. And do remember the sad fact, that a nice smile, or a flattering compliment, can be an more effective weapon that a thousand swords, if you follow such a proffession.

~Hagen von Rabenfeld~
~Guardsman~

Aaron Groveburry · Post by **Aaron Groveburry** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 5:07 am

can be an more effective weapon that a thousand swords, if you follow such a proffession.

YEs I believe that too...but insulting or exposing is worse.

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 5:25 am

Hagen, you are still foolish in your belief of right and wrong. Is it wrong to take information from a turn coat in the underground theivery network? Why is it wrong? You would find out every single theive's name, you would make a large dent in theivery, possibly kidnappings and even murders.
But unlike myself, you do not look for what is better for others, but instead look for what is best for you. You were afraid someone would learn you were taking information from a turncoat. You were afraid you would be thought of as a bad person, but in reality, you would be saving lives and people's money. You were afraid of people thinking negative of you.
That is why you will never truely help Trolls Bane Hagen. You think of yourself first, and not what is best for the people you are ment to protect.

Grant Herion

John Irenicus · Post by **John Irenicus** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 5:38 am

Is it wrong to take information from a turn coat in the underground theivery network?

Yes it is. Why should we cheat our own rules?
To work together with criminals may be your behavior, but not ours.

You would find out every single theive's name, you would make a large dent in theivery, possibly kidnappings and even murders.

How can we know that he is no spy and tries to find something out about us? It's not that easy to fool us...maybe it would work with you.

But unlike myself, you do not look for what is better for others, but instead look for what is best for you.

The joke is from which person this comes. Do you think about others when you fight in town or even attack innocents in the wilderness?

You were afraid of people thinking negative of you.

There are always other points of view in a group like this.

That is why you will never truely help Trolls Bane Hagen. You think of yourself first, and not what is best for the people you are ment to protect.

But you would be.......

Anyway, why should we risk something if we already know the people he wanted to tell us about? Senseless, isn't it?

John Irenicus
Town Guard

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 6:00 am

Irenicus? Are you lieing to me? Are you lieing to the public? If you have names of those he was willing to tell you, why are they not arrested? Why have you not acted?
When have I killed any innocent in the woods? I have never done this, nay, I slew my enemies, the dwarves of the Clan of the Axe and their allies. I did not slay an innocent.

Grant Herion

John Irenicus · Post by **John Irenicus** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 6:02 am

What's with Alveran? Was he an enemy too?

John Irenicus

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 6:05 am

Yes, he was, he was one of the many who attacked myself and Athian without warning. He was one of them who said I was under arrest then fled when he saw the numbers were even.
And you did not answer my question Irenicus. Why have you not arrested any of the theives if you know their names? Or were you lieing about having their names?

Grant Herion

John Irenicus · Post by **John Irenicus** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 6:08 am

Fooser, member of the Tree Shadows, is in prison.

By the way, how is it possible to arrest someone if you just have the name? There is no sense in that.

John Irenicus

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 6:09 am

Ah, so now Fooser is a treeshadow? How would you know that?

Grant Herion

John Irenicus · Post by **John Irenicus** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 6:17 am

Why should we tell someone like YOU our sources for informations?
There are other ways but getting help from some spys and criminals to get these kind of information.

You can stop with your propaganda now and stop commenting every message we put on the town board.

We know what we are doing.

John Irenicus
Town Guard

Hagen von Rabenfeld · Post by **Hagen von Rabenfeld** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 6:20 am

Some of his "guests", who visited him at the prison, started most interesting conversations. Besides, putting this matter into public, will soon reveal some more names and testify our observations, if Mokhser is smart enough, to know, when it is time to give up.

There are various mean to get the information we are looking for, which do not involve relying on people who already betrayed the people, they worked for. Especially you should know that from experience.

~Hagen von Rabenfeld~
~Guardsman~

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 6:20 am

Hah? Irenicus now you decide to not share information when earlier you, (The town guard as a whole), were putting everything in the publics face? It sounds to me like you did indeed get some information. Perhaps from a hobbit named Dair Essel? Yes, he was the spy in the Treeshadows, he would give you that information, and yet... You do not care to not except his information, why is that?
You hypocritcal man Irenicus, you caught yourself in your own lies and your stupidity.

Grant Herion

Hermie · Post by **Hermie** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 6:40 am

Okay,

So someone is arrested by Hagen. They are put in jail for being involed with organised crime, yet they proclaim their innocence. Hagen tells us that he was told this person was a member of this organisation by a known criminal. Oh, what reliable information, straight from the mouth of a criminal! I'm sure the public would feel very safe if someone was jailed by word of a criminal. Tell me, Grant, is that how your father runs his Kingdom? I'm glad I don't live where you come from.

And someone who lets criminals into his Guild would know lots about justice. Yes, talking about you again Grant. Just stop your weak attempts at conspiring against Lyrenzia. Anyone in their right mind could see you are the criminal.

Hermie of Greenbriar.

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 6:45 am

Hermie, I understand your doubt and your belief that I am a criminal that in your mind no doubt is the same man you attempted to ruin Viola Thistle.
However, you have no experience in such matters as this. And you really cannot comprehend what I am writing from the looks of it. If you did, you would see I am telling Hagen and Irenicus they will never do the best they could by ruining the people who are trying to turn over new leafs and helping out the good guys.

Grant Herion

Hermie · Post by **Hermie** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 6:53 am

Oh, they are tying to turn over new leaves? It'll be just like Elaralith and Kale Orton I suppose. Boy, what miracle turn arounds they made!

The point is that people have affiliations with criminal organisations, why should we trust them? Why should Hagen trust them? How do we know they won't turn around again and betray Lyrenzia?

Hermie of Greenbriar.

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I am telling Hagen and Irenicus they will never do the best

I'm sure they will take your advice, and laugh at it. Come on Grant, really! You telling them how to do whats best? That's laughable itself. A worshipper of Nargun who ran a Republic Monarchy for a few days, who let's criminals into his organisation, would really know what's best? You're no-one to preech to Lyrenzia about what's best.

Hagen von Rabenfeld · Post by **Hagen von Rabenfeld** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 8:03 am

There are various mean to get the information we are looking for, which do not involve relying on people who already betrayed the people, they worked for. Especially you should know that from experience.

Perhaps from a hobbit named Dair Essel? Yes, he was the spy in the Treeshadows, he would give you that information, and yet... You do not care to not except his information, why is that? You hypocritcal man Irenicus, you caught yourself in your own lies and your stupidity.

People that are accusing others of stupidity should first read the answers they get very carefully, think about them a moment and finally write an answer, dont you think?

And as i accept that Aaron thinks bad of me, a halfling who has never wronged me before, because i endanger a person that got "credibility" in the criminal organisations of this island (by most peaceful and honest means, i suppose) and yet im still caring nothing but for my own feeling, if i am a good person or not? Again your lack of logic puzzles me.

And to answer Hermies question, of how we know, that this person will not turn around again:
By making this public. His friends won´t like him very much after his betrayal and his shemes wont pose a danger to the public, as his alignment is exposed. Useless to his former employers he has no other option, than either to surrender and admit his doings or to join a jolly band of murderers and cutthroats, like Grant´s and hide in the wilderness. Im sure the noble prince will welcome every man, that can stand on his feet and swing a sword in whatever direction, that comes to his mind after he awakes in the morning. Perhaps Grant can teach the lost spy, how to do "the best" this way.

~Hagen von Rabenfeld~
~Guardsman~

PS: I judged you completely wrong Grant, i thought you meant the guard and Lyrenzia are evil and corrupt. But what do i read here? We are ruining people that are trying...

to turn over new leafs and helping out the good guys.

I have to admit, you are always good for incoherent surprise.

Caranthir the great · Sat Mar 20, 2004 11:53 am

Caranthir reads Hagen's last parchment and grins

Moskher Heszche · Post by **Moskher Heszche** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 2:51 pm

Hagen,

Give in?! What did you think I was doing exactly?

Confess for my crimes? I explained in explicit detail that there are none. Lyrenzia's book of laws simply has no place for me. There is nothing that I have done that I can be tried for. I was a minor asset, and little else.

Even if I had committed an action that is punishable by the law of Lyrenzia, where would you put me? In the cell with Fooser? Indeed! That would be my reward for helping Lyrenzia.

There you stand at the town wall and write implying that Grant is foolish for worshipping Nargun? Possibley your history books are differant than mine, but Nargun battled Madrook Na'Han along with the rest of the Gods. I suppose Hagen would have preferred that Madrook Na'Han won!

You want a confession, Hagen? Here is my confession:

I wince when I consider the fact that the dwarves must both live in Silverbrand and deficate there.

There is my confession! Is that in the law books of Lyrenzia? I don't see them there. How strange!

I congratulate you, Hagen, for your job of effectively fomenting crime in Trollsbane, now that I most certainly will be lynched by an angry mob. I must be going now before the race begins.

~~Moskher Heszche