The Evergreen Halflings

Rynt · Post by **Rynt** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 8:46 am

(( Unparalleled? But what about me? I think I beat him in idiocy! ))

Brendan Mason · Post by **Brendan Mason** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 3:55 am

Fellow Evergreeners. How many times have you been pushed to the ground? How many times have you been ignored, spat on...how many times has your spirit been crushed?

I cannot count the times on my hands or toes. All of this...every offence happens under Lyrenzian watch, on Lyrenzian land.

When we found Greenbriar and built our homes, things worsened. People grew jealous and angry. They invaded us and spat on us once more.

And what did Lyrenzia do? Nothing.

Here's where we make the difference.

What if we stopped being trodden on? What if we took action? What if we could go against the years of slavery we've endured? I say, to the dogs with Lyrenzia. I say, we spit on them. We trod on Lyrenzia.

I say.

We leave Lyrenzia

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 5:22 am

Finally someone with some sense takes action..

(no name)

Albernon · Post by **Albernon** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 7:06 am

Brendan Mason wrote:Fellow Evergreeners. How many times have you been pushed to the ground? How many times have you been ignored, spat on...how many times has your spirit been crushed?

I cannot count the times on my hands or toes. All of this...every offence happens under Lyrenzian watch, on Lyrenzian land.

When we found Greenbriar and built our homes, things worsened. People grew jealous and angry. They invaded us and spat on us once more.

And what did Lyrenzia do? Nothing.

Here's where we make the difference.

What if we stopped being trodden on? What if we took action? What if we could go against the years of slavery we've endured? I say, to the dogs with Lyrenzia. I say, we spit on them. We trod on Lyrenzia.

I say.

We leave Lyrenzia

You know what? I'd like to know how many times too, because I've never even once heard of these things once before in all the town discussions. If you can prove all this injustice, I haven't heard you ask for trials against these criminals, and that's your own fault.

Besides, what have you ever done for Lyrenzia? When has Lyrenzia ever asked you for anything back? Where were you every time that there were arguments about Lyrenzia? Where were you when Silverbrand was invaded by intruders? Sitting at home drinking your tea in your warm little home, not caring about a thing until someone comes and tramples YOUR home?

By the way, isn't Greenbrair YOUR land that YOU are supposed to take care of? Isn't that the point of owning your own land? I suppose you expect Lyrenzia to magically appear in your land when you need help and then disappear out of your land when you're safe? Or do you expect the rest of Lyrenzia to leave Troll's Bane and stand at YOUR front gates everyday? How about next time, you tell your invaders to write down the time and date of the next invasion so that we all know when to come?

Do you want to a better life for you and your fellow halflings? It doesn't sound to me like you do. Let's see, you can't even defend yourself against your invaders, and now you want to make another enemy? I don't see your logic. I think you've been drinking and listening to too many fairy tales.

Albernon · Post by **Albernon** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 9:37 am

If you recall during the drought, Lyrenzia didn't force it's guilds or people to go fight. It was individuals and single guilds who were allowed to make their own decisions about whether they wanted to give into demands, go fight, or whatever else. Just the same, Lyrenzia didn't force YOU hobbits to defend Silverbrand or anywhere else, nor should say we dwarves be forced to defend you hobbits. Lyrenzia as a whole is only a collective effort obligated to do its work through the judicial system. The rest is apparently an issue between yourselves and other individual guilds. If you want their help then go talk to them. There's no point in blaming the whole of Lyrenzia, which would include yourself. If a piece of furniture in the house isn't to your liking, fix the furniture. It isn't the house's fault.

Adano Eles · Post by **Adano Eles** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 11:24 am

The wise man seeks his own faults first, before pointing out those of others.
If you don't carry your problems before Lyrenzia then Lyrenzia won't be able to help you. Sources told me that your councilor hardly ever even shows up at the council meetings, and seems to be generally unconcerned of Lyrenzia matters. Yet you complain that the council does not magically know about the details of your problems and can instantly present a perfect solution. This is not how politics work.
If Lyrenzia is unable to work then it is simply because right now some councillors seem not to know how to do their job right.

Adano Eles

Noble Knight and Instructor of Squires of the Grey Rose
Student of the Khana Len; Apprentice of the Great Temple of the Five and Eleven

Aragon · Post by **Aragon** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 12:42 pm

Brendan Mason wrote:And what did Lyrenzia do? Nothing.

Dear Brendan Mason,

with all my respect, but this sentence does include, that you yourself haven't done anything for your land.
Who is Lyrenzia?
Lyrenzia are nine guilds and their members.
One part of Lyrenzia are the Evergreens and their members.
Saying that Lyrenzia has done nothing does also mean, you as a Lyrenzian guild member has done nothing, because you are a part of Lyrenzia.
Lyrenzia is as worthy as their members are.
If the members didn't act for Lyrenzia and work for it's goals, it won't work.
If you don't act for Lyrenzia and work for it's goals, ot won't work.
Critisize Lyrenzia, you as a member of Lyrenzia critisize yourself.

with kind regards,

Aragon ben Galwan
Earl and Templar of the Grey Rose
Priest of Malachin
Councilor of Lyrenzia

Rosa Underhill · Post by **Rosa Underhill** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 2:43 pm

Albernon, you are not a councilor in Lyrenzia, so please keep your mouth shut, and don't write here again, you speak as if your an official, representitive. Your not, and therefore have no right to threaten us on behalf of them.

What did Lyerinzia, do when Darlok declared war on us, we asked for help, and you did nothing, the dwarves of Silverbrand hid in their hole, and the guildsmen of Lyerinza vanished when battle was waged on the streets. Lyernzia did nothing for us, to protect us, before we had Greenbriar, you let people step on us, kidnap us, even now, one of our people is held by orcs, and this is well known, yet Lyrenzia, has done nothing to try and get one of it's people back. You get back what you pay for, You never did anything for us when we needed help, so we'll never do anything for you, not even when Darlok brings his army to your gates, pray you never need our help, because you wont get it.

Bersh Softsoil · Post by **Bersh Softsoil** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 7:08 pm

Pronon Palmsuger · Post by **Pronon Palmsuger** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 7:40 pm

Hullo Evergreens Im back for a short while but will be leaveing again shortly. Anything big happen while I was away?

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 9:00 pm

Don't forget that the Dwarves of Silverbrand wanted an alliance with Darlok during the drought so they could have their own profit. And I Grant Herion am happy to hear that the hobbits have done this. And I will also help them in case some dwarves try and take their land from them...

Grant Herion

Caranthir the great · Mon Dec 22, 2003 12:15 am

Why would we want to do that?
Unlike some bootlicker 'princes' that we have roaming around, we already have our own land. We do not have to steal it from our friends.
It's a bit Ironic to see comments concerning the will of others to ally with Darlok. You were allied with him yourself, were you not?

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 12:17 am

I was for the country of Northerot, not for Darlok, you will never find a parchment were I signed my life to Darlok. However, you dwarves were willing to do that for personal gain.

Grant Herion

Caranthir the great · Mon Dec 22, 2003 12:20 am

To do ..what? ..for what?

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 12:21 am

To give him coal for access to Northerot and trade. Or have you forgotten? Or not told by Belegi or Tialdin? I wonder if their Lyrenzia friends know that they were trying to do this, but Darlok didn't want to sign.

Grant Herion

Caranthir the great · Mon Dec 22, 2003 12:23 am

Why certainly, a tradeagreement with Northerot, not Darlok.

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 12:26 am

You would be giving Darlok coal. Not Northerot, Darlok. You cannot have a trade aggrement with a country. Either way, I know you made a mistake, just as I made one. Darlok is a deciever and most of the time it seems like he will come out on top. But he is not invincible and he is not worth cow dung.
I am done in this scroll for the hobbits.

Grant Herion

Caranthir the great · Mon Dec 22, 2003 12:45 am

Grant Herion.
You most certainly can have a tradeagreement with a country. Infact, the greatest and most influencial treaties tend to be such. Without doubt, there would have been plenty of craftsmen in the northern plains who would have appriciated the possibility to do their work and hence strengthen the new nation. Without tools or the raw materials required for them, this might prove to be a troublesome task. Hammerless blacksmiths, peasants without scythes, lumberjacks with no axes..

To dearest Rosa Underhill,

Your claims had such an effect to a old dwarf that they made him to search a confirmation for them. Infact if you read the parchments closely, the war with Darlok ended on the 19th of Ushos, and the Evergreen halflings officially joined the Lyrenzia foundation on 20th of the same month. As for the other things, I am afraid that I'll have to agree with Albernon. If we are not kept informed, or help is not requested.. There is not much we can do. This should not be blamed upon us, because the fault is not ours. If you wish to have the procedure of things to be changed, I advice you to talk with Crosis.

Bumbol Woodstock · Post by **Bumbol Woodstock** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 1:05 am

But Caranthir when Darlok was trying to kill us all we did ask for Lyrenzia's help. Infact we begged for it. And you didn't help. Are you saying that if Darlok decides to attack a lizard clan because he didn't like lizards that Lyrenzia wouldn't help? Even tho Lyrenzia puts non-citizens in jail for killing just like Darlok did?
Lyrenzia has some major flaws and that is why we are leaving. Not to mention Tialdin is jealous of our glorious island, our massive fields and forests.

Bummy

Crosis · Post by **Crosis** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 4:51 am

Adano, I'm at council meetings as much as anyone else.

As for when Darlok declared war on some select Halflings, I asked Lyrenzia for help, I asked the Grey Rose for help, yet no one did anything. It's ironic, how when Darlok forced us to pay to end the war, people predicted that he would continue to use force to get what he wants. Now look what he has done.

I'm getting off track. What I wanted to say is, nothing is official. The EGH council has some discussing to do yet, and it won't be done here so you can all stop your arguing.

Crosis Smallburrow

Adano Eles · Post by **Adano Eles** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 9:20 am

This is not true. Just because the Grey Rose did not instantly run to kill Darlok does not mean that we did not try to help you. We had an agreement with Darlok, an agreement once signed to prevent a never ending war which could rip apart the entire town and hence were not allowed to do any harm to this person. But all the time our earl Aragon ben Galwan was working behind the scenes to end this war in a peaceful way.

Adano Eles

Noble Knight and Instructor of Squires of the Grey Rose
Student of the Khana Len; Apprentice of the Great Temple of the Five and Eleven

Rosa Underhill · Post by **Rosa Underhill** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 12:27 pm

Stop makeing up lies to save face Adano, it's to late for that, the once great Knighta of the Grey Rose, are nothing more than dithering old cowards who hide behind their paper instteads of their swords and shields, you no longer deserve the titlesof knights, rename yourselves beurcrats of the grey rose.

Albernon · Post by **Albernon** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 1:46 pm

Rosa, do you even stop to read your own arguements or do you just start writing in a flurry of rage? Does anyone here ever bother to read at all?

You get back what you pay for, You never did anything for us when we needed help, so we'll never do anything for you, not even when Darlok brings his army to your gates, pray you never need our help, because you wont get it.

Your very own argument was exactly my point.
You get back what you pay for.
So what did you do for the others?
So what have you ever done for the Grey Rose or Silberbrand when they got attacked?

All this adds up to is that you say you won't help others because they won't help you, but you never helped them in the first place.

You say you don't help the Grey Rose and Silverbrand and they don't help you.
Well hello? Apparently that's a problem between these guilds and Lyrenzia has nothing to do with it. If you want military alliances, then go make them. Lyrenzia isn't an "automatic" military alliance.
Notice that the first 3 contracts in Lyrenzia castle are alliances between individual guilds?

I can also whine too and say Lyrenzia doesn't help Silverbrand because the Evergreen Halflings don't help us. But obviously that doesn't make sense to blame "Lyrenzia" because of the evergeren halflings. How can you blame "Lyrenzia"? Geez, that makes as much sense as blaming the entire "Troll's Bane".

Lyrenzia never forced the rest of it's citizen's to fight battles for you or anyone. It's their individual choice.
Just think about this again:

If you recall during the drought, Lyrenzia didn't force it's guilds or people to go fight. It was individuals and single guilds who were allowed to make their own decisions about whether they wanted to give into demands, go fight, or whatever else. Just the same, Lyrenzia didn't force YOU hobbits to defend Silverbrand or anywhere else, nor should say we dwarves be forced to defend you hobbits. Lyrenzia as a whole is only a collective effort obligated to do its work through the judicial system. The rest is apparently an issue between yourselves and other individual guilds. If you want their help then go talk to them. There's no point in blaming the whole of Lyrenzia, which would include yourself. If a piece of furniture in the house isn't working to your liking, fix the furniture. It isn't the house's fault.

And before you accuse Adano of lieing, you can easily see that their agreement is clearly written in the town's records on these walls. By the way, you're not the centre of the world. The other guilds don't automatically know about every halfling that gets killed, kidnapped, or whatever if you don't formally contact them.

Oh and Grant Herion, how funny it is that when you talk about yourself, it's always heroically for Notherot and not for Darlok. But if Lyrenzia deals with them, you will always claim it to be with Darlok and not Notherot.

Rosa Underhill · Post by **Rosa Underhill** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 1:52 pm

Darlok attacked us first, we asked for help, we got none, when Silverbrand got attacked, you asked for help, we gave none, why should our people die when your people refused to do the same when we needed it.

Albernon, the kidnapping was annoced very much formally by a member of Lyerenzia, so shut your ignorant big headed face. I said before if you are not a councilor, stop trying, your arguments are not going to change me.

Moathia · Post by **Moathia** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 2:00 pm

Albernon, if I remember correctly, when Elaralith attacked Silverbrand, it was Darlok who chased her away, which makes me wonder, why did he do that? I wonder if Silverbrand is closer to Darlok than they claim?

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 4:39 pm

Like I've been saying, the dwarves have made an alliance with Darlok...
Oh, and Albernon, I was there at Silverbrand's gates when Elaralith took it over, funny, all I saw there was Croktin and another dwarf, but certainly not you. So you have done nothing for your city.

Grant Herion

Burin · Post by **Burin** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 5:01 pm

I was killed at those gates. Everyone is fighting. I don't think it'll help.

Caranthir the great · Post by **Caranthir the great** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 5:49 pm

Grant Herion wrote:Like I've been saying, the dwarves have made an alliance with Darlok...

..And now you are just talking out of your arse, as usual.
Infact, the reason why Darlok was in Silverbrand was due to the fact that he was there to explain the rot-worm attack against us couple days earlier, which was a violation against our truce. Why did he help us? I can't tell for sure but obviously unlike some bastards who have announced that they were at the scene, he gives a helping hand to those whose home is under attack by a mean wench.

Moathia
I wonder, why you did not attempt to stop your dear friend Elaralith while se was on way her to storm Silverbrand? If you would have done that, Darlok would not have had to assist us. Perhaps it is YOU who are in pact with Darlok! You wanted Elaralith to storm Silverbrand so that Darlok would have to help us. Ha. What did he promise to you?

Moathia · Post by **Moathia** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 5:55 pm

I did try and stop her Caranthir, I tried to restrain her, and talk sence into her but she over powered me and ignored my words, I chased her down, and I pulled as many people out of her flames, at great injury to myself. So do not say I did not try and help you. And it was not I having secret councils with Darlok.

Caranthir the great · Post by **Caranthir the great** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 6:05 pm

Who knows if you have or not?
It is our home. We invite whoever we wish. The council was not secret, but we did not want others to interfere. Why would it have been their business? To be exact, we would not have to explain why or what we are doing with whom. That most certainly does not belong to ANYONE else.
We have been trying to explain and be nice, but apparently it is impossible for you to overcome your own suspicions. I give up, believe what you want.