Quick question

Drey Jol · Post by **Drey Jol** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 3:20 am

Are we allowed to report bad roleplaying? Just five minutes ago I saw the worst roleplaying in my entire history of seeing roleplay.

Glosin Ironstar · Post by **Glosin Ironstar** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 4:05 am

Bad role playing well you were in silverbrand and I caught you. and you said you had a magic cloak. Thats pretty bad role play. Shouldnt Role play with things you don't have. Its like playing a flute that you dont have. Also that like say ok I have a mechine gun you fall on three ok?

Mishrack · Post by **Mishrack** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 4:32 am

And how did you get into silverbrand, pray tell, Glosin?

Drey Jol · Post by **Drey Jol** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 4:32 am

I named no names and gave no examples. I just want a simple question answered, if you please.

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 4:36 am

If you think someone violated the rules send an email to violations@illarion.org , it doesn't need to be talked about on the board. If you read correctly there is no rule against "bad roleplay", bad roleplay is roleplay, but it is the gamemasters decision. You should keep your accusations to yourself.

Glosin Ironstar · Post by **Glosin Ironstar** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 5:37 am

Mishrack as I said the doors were open already thats how he got in.

Mishrack · Post by **Mishrack** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 10:17 am

So you trespassed?

Glosin Ironstar · Post by **Glosin Ironstar** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 2:17 pm

I am a member of silverbrand. So did I?

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 2:33 pm

if ya have entered silverbrand and if ya don't leave when a dwarf of silverband have said it to ya, than it is ya fault when ya get killed. do ya really think that ya can walk around a dwarfen city without their permission and don't get problems with them? he have played a dwarf who defend his dwarfenhome. it was ya fault that ya get killed.

Drey Jol · Post by **Drey Jol** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 9:20 pm

Well, if you want the true story, here it goes...

Drey was mining in silverbrand secretly when he decided to leave. He started to walk out, but he heard voices. He hid in a dark corner under his magical elven cloak (don't say "oh, you made that up" because he bought it from Elaralith and thats what she said it was). So, he was hiding, when the dwarf walked in with the hobbit. The hobbit roleplayed quite well not being able to see me, but sensing my presence somewhere. Meanwhile, the dwarf walked over and killed me. He didn't roleplay seeing me or anything, he just killed me.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 9:22 pm

Roleplaying, for example a "cloak" that renders you "invisible", when this is not supported by the game, definitely IS a kind of bad roleplay - because it grants you an advantage you usually don't have, and perhaps would not get easily if it would exist.

Don't expect to walk unharmend into dwarven territory when not invited.

Caranthir the great · Post by **Caranthir the great** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 9:25 pm

Perhaps he had helmet with a hunter-seeker axe attachment? Bought from a anonymous stranger, who claimed that it functioned like this?

I agree with Damien, you weren't supposed to be there. What kind of idiot tries to hide with load of iron and coal anyways?

Fedaykin · Post by **Fedaykin** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 9:29 pm

The Dwarf RPed his magical glasses, with this he is able to see cloaked persons.

Drey Jol · Post by **Drey Jol** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 10:03 pm

Caranthir the great wrote:What kind of idiot tries to hide with load of iron and coal anyways?

Drey put it into his depot.

I did not say it made Drey invisible. Do you know what a cloak is? Well, Drey was covered in a black cloak in a black shadow. The cloak helped camoflauge me, I thought I stated.

I'm sorry, but I did not realize silverbrand was a place in real life, as all of you seem to make me believe.

"Don't expect to walk unharmend into dwarven territory when not invited."

if ya have entered silverbrand and if ya don't leave when a dwarf of silverband have said it to ya, than it is ya fault when ya get killed. do ya really think that ya can walk around a dwarfen city without their permission and don't get problems with them? he have played a dwarf who defend his dwarfenhome. it was ya fault that ya get killed.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 10:51 pm

It's the same way round, no matter how it is put.

Since hiding in the shadows is not (yet) implemented in the game, noone can do it - if someone decides to do so, that option should be talked through, for a planned plot. Even then, other players may not accept it.

It would not help against dwarves though, since their eyes can see the warmth of a person even under their cloaks, in the dark.

Again, it IS bad roleplay, when using options that are not supported by the program, to the own advantage, no matter what the option is - and then expecting other players to play with the same thing, demanding of them NOT to use ALSO imaginal things to act normal (in this case seeing the person).

Again, some perhaps useful hints, for someone acting with quite a narrow mind at themoment :

- Do NOT do (too) many things that are not supported by the client.
- Do NOT take ANY advantage of forcing roleplay on other players.

It is good that you have a good fantasy, but you cannot expect of others that they will give in to all your actions because they can grant you an advantage of any kind.

*GRMBL*

That had to be said.

The thing you did, is a kind of "power-roleplaying". In german live roleplaying scene, people doing such things are called "Pappnasen" ("Paper Nose" or "Clowns Nose", i guess).

Bombor · Post by **Bombor** » Thu Sep 25, 2003 12:00 am

On a MUCH more important note...
Which TWIT left the doors open?????

If I should find one leaving them open they will be left a head shorter, with NO excuses or buts about it. !!!

*grumble*

Glosin Ironstar · Post by **Glosin Ironstar** » Thu Sep 25, 2003 6:12 am

Thats also liking say ok you can't hit me ok but I can kill you. Its bad role play also I did not know you had a "magic cloak" But dwarfs see well in the dark look at Balaks post. So I seen you hiding and made you shorter.

Gronfyn Alkidor · Post by **Gronfyn Alkidor** » Thu Sep 25, 2003 10:19 am

i just agree with Damien
he is right
if the game does not support a cloak making you invisible, then don't pretend yourself to be
the dwarf who killed you saw you because in fact you WEREN'T invisible so he killed you ...
Damien is right... if there were a true invisible cloak in the game then the dwrf shouldn't have seen you ... neither anyone could have save with a special ability
that's as simple as trying to byte a rock with your teeth ...which is impossible

<--- Gronfyn Alkidor --->

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Thu Sep 25, 2003 12:29 pm

...depends on the rock, and the teeth.

Gronfyn Alkidor · Post by **Gronfyn Alkidor** » Thu Sep 25, 2003 1:25 pm

heh
good one

well i found no good eXample for the moment

<--- Gronfyn Alkidor --->

Rustas Ocklam · Post by **Rustas Ocklam** » Thu Sep 25, 2003 1:59 pm

Actually Drey had every right to rp a magical cloak. Because this game is an RPG! The client doenst support everything we could think of and it never will. So we have to rp things that the client doesnt have.

Also Glosin had eveyright to say that dwarves had better eyesight in their caves. Because that also would be true. Does the client say that dwarves have better eyesight in there caves? No,so come on people this game is an rpg let them rp

Adano Eles · Post by **Adano Eles** » Thu Sep 25, 2003 2:20 pm

Others don't neccisarily know what kind of roleplay you are just performing, so playing to have or do something not explicitely implemented into the client it can always happen that another player does not recognize that. Therefore it is better to minimize such behaviour.

Rustas Ocklam · Post by **Rustas Ocklam** » Thu Sep 25, 2003 2:23 pm

You know what your right! SO all those roleplaying characters should stop there roleplay and stick to the guidelines of the client. NO more thiefs because that isnt apart of the client. No more walking with limps or coughing or really any actions.

Think before you write or speak. Would you really want to play Illarion if it was you can only do what is apart of the client? If not shut up about keeping roleplay to a minimum.

Glosin Ironstar · Post by **Glosin Ironstar** » Thu Sep 25, 2003 2:29 pm

He basicly said dont roleplay with stuff you don't have or the client does not have. Which he did.

Caranthir the great · Post by **Caranthir the great** » Thu Sep 25, 2003 2:29 pm

You shut up, Rustas. Obviously you haven't got a slightest clue of what you are talking about. I use the word 'talking' loosely here. If you cause too much advantage to your character with something that is not in the client or agreed by your counter-player(s) then you are roleplaying badly. Is that too advanced for you to comprehend?

How is thieving not part of the client? Because it lacks a special option box? How does coughing give my character any advantage compared to others?

You might want to think before you write or speak.

Adano Eles · Post by **Adano Eles** » Thu Sep 25, 2003 2:34 pm

No. I may know when I limb around but do you know it when I don't tell you? Or should I say #me is limbing around everytime a new char appears in sight? At busy times that would mean to write it every few seconds.
And I don't even talk about such simple things. What I'm talking about is special items such as "magic cloaks" and so on, which should give you advantages, but only if the others know that you have an advantage.

Glosin Ironstar · Post by **Glosin Ironstar** » Thu Sep 25, 2003 2:34 pm

That is what we were all trying to say. For the last time. Don't roleplay with things the cient does not have. Because it would be bad roleplay. Unless you are on a quest and the people know about it and what it does. But to walk around everyday and when someone is about to kill you and you just say hey I am Roleplaying a magic cloak you can't see me haahahah. Thats bad roleplay.

Gronfyn Alkidor · Post by **Gronfyn Alkidor** » Thu Sep 25, 2003 3:03 pm

for the first time i agree with a dwarf

well if Glosin is perfektly right i cannot disagree with him

<--- Gronfyn Alkidor --->

Keikan Hiru · Post by **Keikan Hiru** » Thu Sep 25, 2003 3:40 pm

Gronfyn, would you please only post if you have to add something important or valuabe to the topic?
Thank you.
And remember what Board is IC (In Character) and OOC (Out of Character).

Glosin is not right.

You can play "drunk", its not part of the Client (yet) but is perfecly good roleplay.
You can play that you "smoke" something (not tabak, but maybe firnis), its not part of the client but perfectly good roleplay.
You can play wounded (broken leg, broken arm, ...), even if your Character is a full health.

But you can not play something that grants a too huge advantage to your Character, and is not part of the Client.

Drey Jol · Post by **Drey Jol** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 12:40 am

The cloak was black and so was the shadow. In the corner, there are black shadows. I think its just a matter of common sense. I made it obvious that I was hiding, but I also made it obvious that I was there, and the dwarf could have roleplayed well in "finding" me as the hobbit was doing, but instead he just killed me, also killing my roleplaying that I had planned. Granted, I was trespassing, but if someone is walkinh in your backyard, do you pull out a gun and shoot him?