Dear Lyrenzia council members,
I come to you to seek you help. As you probably already know, there is a guild just for theives. This guild has been eluding everyone and has stolen from many.
Since you seem to be the ones that put people into jail I assume that you must also be the ones to catch those who need to go to jail. So I request that you do what you say you are ment for and protect us citizens of Trolls Bane.
Stop these theives and make life in Trolls Bane that much safer. It is after all, your job to do so.
Thank you,
Bumbol Woodstock
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Bumbol Woodstock
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Dear Bumbol Woodstock,
we can only put to jail people, which are judged as guilty by the Lyrenzia court. So it is the job of the citizens to bring the thieves to court and accuse the thieves, bringing proof, that this person has stolen.
Aragon ben Galwan
Earl and Templar of the Grey Rose
Priest of Malachin
Councilor of Lyrenzia
we can only put to jail people, which are judged as guilty by the Lyrenzia court. So it is the job of the citizens to bring the thieves to court and accuse the thieves, bringing proof, that this person has stolen.
Aragon ben Galwan
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Councilor of Lyrenzia
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Dear Bumbol Woodstoock
As far as we have no funds to pay some kind of police forces to hunt and find criminals, it is up to each citizens to tell us the ones, doing crimes and to proof their crimes.
We stand for a fair judgement and will bring them into jail.
Aragon ben Galwan
Earl and Templar of the Grey Rose
Priest of Malachin
Councilor of Lyrenzia
As far as we have no funds to pay some kind of police forces to hunt and find criminals, it is up to each citizens to tell us the ones, doing crimes and to proof their crimes.
We stand for a fair judgement and will bring them into jail.
Aragon ben Galwan
Earl and Templar of the Grey Rose
Priest of Malachin
Councilor of Lyrenzia
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Dear Lyrenzia and Aragon,
If what you say is true, then you do nothing more then what a mob does, only much more organized. Why come to you for trials when we can catch the theif and judge him for ourselves? What good are you then? And if all you do is judge people, then why did you build the town walls? And why does it say on the old scroll that you are town protectors?
Bumbol Woodstock
If what you say is true, then you do nothing more then what a mob does, only much more organized. Why come to you for trials when we can catch the theif and judge him for ourselves? What good are you then? And if all you do is judge people, then why did you build the town walls? And why does it say on the old scroll that you are town protectors?
Bumbol Woodstock
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Very simple, dear Bumbol Woodstock.
Lyrenzia can JAIL these thieves. Since the invention of the cross, it is quite inefficient to react another way.
And in fact, organisation is exactly what Lyrenzia was made for.
Lyrenzia organizes the people and the will of the public people.
If Lyrenzia would catch and jail people by itself, without really knowing the truth about the happenings, it would become a kind of dictature.
Lyrenzia is a tool to secure safety and personal freedom of the people. For doing so, its actions must be righteous and equal.
So do not complain about it - Lyrenzia works only with the very society you are part of. To make it work, you should help.
Why not by accusing the thieves of the things they have done ? This way, the public view will face it, and may bring a solution.
Lyrenzia can JAIL these thieves. Since the invention of the cross, it is quite inefficient to react another way.
And in fact, organisation is exactly what Lyrenzia was made for.
Lyrenzia organizes the people and the will of the public people.
If Lyrenzia would catch and jail people by itself, without really knowing the truth about the happenings, it would become a kind of dictature.
Lyrenzia is a tool to secure safety and personal freedom of the people. For doing so, its actions must be righteous and equal.
So do not complain about it - Lyrenzia works only with the very society you are part of. To make it work, you should help.
Why not by accusing the thieves of the things they have done ? This way, the public view will face it, and may bring a solution.
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Dear Lyrenzia,
Because we do not know who they are only that they are a group of bandits stealing hard earned money. Now, I ask once again, if you do not protect us, why do you say you do on your scrolls? And what use are you? We do not need you if all you do is judge people, after all it is very easy to frame someone, just need about 4 people saying a certain person with a fairly bad history to say he did something, and then he is imprisoned by you.
Personally, I loved the days when there weren't these walls around, when you could decide if the person was guilty or not and you could sell all items you wanted at the prices you wanted.
Anyways, explain to me, why do we need you?
Angrily,
Bumbol Woodstock
Because we do not know who they are only that they are a group of bandits stealing hard earned money. Now, I ask once again, if you do not protect us, why do you say you do on your scrolls? And what use are you? We do not need you if all you do is judge people, after all it is very easy to frame someone, just need about 4 people saying a certain person with a fairly bad history to say he did something, and then he is imprisoned by you.
Personally, I loved the days when there weren't these walls around, when you could decide if the person was guilty or not and you could sell all items you wanted at the prices you wanted.
Anyways, explain to me, why do we need you?
Angrily,
Bumbol Woodstock
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A few more things to add,
Why is it that a person new to the island cannot vote or decide with anything Lyrenzia has but can easily be sent to prison. Is this not ridiculous?
Why do you let yourselves be bribed from evildoers when they are going to prison?
Secondly, Damien, when you say something to the sound of "Don't complain Lyrenzia is apart of the society you live in so get used to it" it makes you look horrible. And though I wouldn't partake in it, you might want to stop for there may be an uprising...
Bumbol Woodstock
Why is it that a person new to the island cannot vote or decide with anything Lyrenzia has but can easily be sent to prison. Is this not ridiculous?
Why do you let yourselves be bribed from evildoers when they are going to prison?
Secondly, Damien, when you say something to the sound of "Don't complain Lyrenzia is apart of the society you live in so get used to it" it makes you look horrible. And though I wouldn't partake in it, you might want to stop for there may be an uprising...
Bumbol Woodstock
Bumbol they do not allow themselves to be "bribed". As their rules state :
Algoran.
This means that should a member of Lyrenzia, or an unfindable Victim, accuse someone of stealing then the "thief" has to pay Lyrenzia. They still go to jail. So just to sum up. Members of Lyrenzia can accuse a "thief", Lyrenzia decides the "thiefs" guilt, Lyrenzia collect some fines, Lyrenzia jails the "thief". No wonder they don't need to collect taxes.-When the Guitly verdict is delivered to a "steailng" type crime where payment is necessary to the victim, the accused will have 3 days to pay back the victim, or make arrangements with victim for later payment, or pay to Lyrenzia first if can't find victim. Payments and arrangments must be confirmed by a Lyrenzia Councilor. If payment or arrangements are not made, then accused will be labeled an Exile until payment or arrangements are made. After payments or arrangements are made, the same procedures of choosing prison/exile as described above will follow.
Algoran.
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I am talking about this Algoran, in the book of Rules and Regulations of Lyrenzia, on the last page at the bottom:
"Prison time can be cancelled with payment to the Lyrenzia Foundation at a rate of 10 silver ingots for every hour of prison."
As you can see, you can simply buy your way out of anything and Lyrenzia doesn't need taxes.
Bumbol Woodstock
"Prison time can be cancelled with payment to the Lyrenzia Foundation at a rate of 10 silver ingots for every hour of prison."
As you can see, you can simply buy your way out of anything and Lyrenzia doesn't need taxes.
Bumbol Woodstock
I apologise Bumbol. I missed that little bit. Quite a good business / racket they have got going there. Just imagine what would happen if one of their high-up members were found guilty, not that it's ever going to happen of course. They'd have to move ten ingots from one pocket to another to roam free once more.
Algoran.
Algoran.
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Firstly, Smacc has existed far longer than Lyrenzia, so please get your facts straight.I loved the days when there weren't these walls around, when you could decide if the person was guilty or not and you could sell all items you wanted at the prices you wanted.
So basically you people want Lyrenzia to protect you from thieves? Sure, but somehow my senses tell that the moment Lyrenzia would start hunting and accusing criminals by itself (Note; Currently inviduals accuse other inviduals, not Lyrenzia) certain unnamed people who have scribbled notes to this paper too, would start complaining about Lyrenzia being a dictatorship. The walls are perfect example, they are solely ment to protect you, but you think of them as limiting your freedom. Exactly the same thing with 'police'.
The old system where 'you could decide if the person is guilty or not' is known as 'the power of the stronger'. If you are out of strong friends and are weak yourself, there is no way of getting justice for yourself.
No person has paid to shorten their prisonsentence.This means that should a member of Lyrenzia, or an unfindable Victim, accuse someone of stealing then the "thief" has to pay Lyrenzia. They still go to jail. So just to sum up. Members of Lyrenzia can accuse a "thief", Lyrenzia decides the "thiefs" guilt, Lyrenzia collect some fines, Lyrenzia jails the "thief". No wonder they don't need to collect taxes.
There is a 'compensation fund' in discussion, so basically in the future the money would go to the victim, first however we would need to actually get money from the criminals.
Because of the obvious worry concern of the ways that Lyrenzia collects money, I announce (again) that Lyrenzia recieves its funding as donations from individuals and guilds.
However, because of the sincere worry concerning the Lyrenzia treasury, the sympathy and trust showed towards our organization, I will immediately bring the public taxation system to discussion!
Thank you for helpful advices of how to make ourselves better, Algoran!
..And they say that we don't listen the improvement proposals! Bah!
I guess some people never learned to read.or pay to Lyrenzia first if can't find victim
About paying 10 silver to get out of prison. What do you think hurts the criminal more, losing 10 silver ingots or taking a seat for 1 measly hour? Oh yes, sweet revenge of making them take a nap for 1 whole hour is SO much more helpful than getting 10 silver from them to fund future operations!
Why can't a newcomer vote? Okay let's let all newcomers vote. I have a thousand friends all named John who just arrived in Troll's Bane and they all vote for me to be king of the town! Smart!
Yeah well I'm not one of the people who loved the days when I can die just because you want to kill me and then can get away with it. I rather have a council of renowned citizens and representitives to do justice.I loved the days when there weren't these walls around, when you could decide if the person was guilty or not
So you say Lyrenzia hasn't done anything more than you to catch criminals. So what? So they are the same as you so why don't you complain about yourself? At least now if you identify the criminal and proof his guilt, Lyrenzia can jail him for you and try to get back your losses. What have YOU done lately to stop criminals? Murder them?
I'd rather be framed and put to jail than be framed and killed.
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First off, I am not going to begin cutting off peices of peoples papers because it will just ruin this topic into another, "I have an extremely long post of exactly what I just said only worded differently" topic.
Caranthir, you have not answered my question. Why do we need Lyrenzia? All you do is judge, nothing more nothing less, what makes you believe you can judge better then us?
Bumbol Woodstock
Caranthir, you have not answered my question. Why do we need Lyrenzia? All you do is judge, nothing more nothing less, what makes you believe you can judge better then us?
Bumbol Woodstock
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Oh no, you see Albernon, you are turning this quickly into a fight. I am simply asking a question about why we need Lyrenzia when it does nothing but what we do on our own, in a much more "profitable" way.
Also, citizens of Trolls Bane you may want to consider, do you want to have a "government" lead by people like Albernon who seem quick to anger and hate people who disagree with them?
Bumbol Woodstock
Also, citizens of Trolls Bane you may want to consider, do you want to have a "government" lead by people like Albernon who seem quick to anger and hate people who disagree with them?
Bumbol Woodstock
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Of course, if I was in Lyrenzia's shoes I would to like this Judicial Trail much more, after all, I would be making a pretty profit for condeming someone I have never met or most likely ever will.
Another problem for these folks is that they seem to never be in town. How can they protect us if they aren't even in town. Seems a lot like they don't really care for the town but instead like power, plain and simple.
Bumbol Woodstock
Another problem for these folks is that they seem to never be in town. How can they protect us if they aren't even in town. Seems a lot like they don't really care for the town but instead like power, plain and simple.
Bumbol Woodstock
You asked a question Bumbol, so I asked you back the same question.
This isn't a fight, you just can't answer the same question put to you that you want others to answer.
Why don't YOU answer MY question if you complain that your question is not being answered?
Why do we need Lyrenzia? Well for one thing Lyrenzia can put criminals to jail and judge by renowned citizens and representitives.
Why do we need you, Bumbol Woodstock? All you can do by yourself is attack the criminal, and anybody can do that.
There is no "profit" to be gained by Lyrenzia, or did you still not put on your reading glasses?
And where does it say I'm a leader of Lyrenzia? I'm a member of the Foundation's guilds just like you, except that I don't complain about something that I'm supposed to be doing my part in.
This isn't a fight, you just can't answer the same question put to you that you want others to answer.
Why don't YOU answer MY question if you complain that your question is not being answered?
Why do we need Lyrenzia? Well for one thing Lyrenzia can put criminals to jail and judge by renowned citizens and representitives.
Why do we need you, Bumbol Woodstock? All you can do by yourself is attack the criminal, and anybody can do that.
There is no "profit" to be gained by Lyrenzia, or did you still not put on your reading glasses?
And where does it say I'm a leader of Lyrenzia? I'm a member of the Foundation's guilds just like you, except that I don't complain about something that I'm supposed to be doing my part in.
What exactly is your point anyways, Bumbol?
Are you saying we don't need Lyrenzia then? Oh yes I can just imagine it now. If Lyrenzia is gone, then the thieves that you complained about will somehow stop their theiving ways. Sure, lack of fear of Lyrenzia's punishment will discourage thieves from stealing! Sure....... that makes sense!
*rolls his eyes*
Let's restore Fooser's freedom to burn down our houses while we're at it!
I think that will increase everbody's daily income!
Are you saying we don't need Lyrenzia then? Oh yes I can just imagine it now. If Lyrenzia is gone, then the thieves that you complained about will somehow stop their theiving ways. Sure, lack of fear of Lyrenzia's punishment will discourage thieves from stealing! Sure....... that makes sense!
*rolls his eyes*Let's restore Fooser's freedom to burn down our houses while we're at it!
I think that will increase everbody's daily income!
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I was never asked to be apart of it, I was around for 4 months so they registered me in and put me under their rule when I did not want to be. None of us had a choice and apparently, Lyrenzia believe it can judge and decide better then we can so it does everything for us.
Albernon, Lyrenzia is a oppersing government, not the worst for sure, but oppersing never the less. It judges those it has never seen on the words of people. And those judges that are "respected" are no better then anyone and yet they believe they are. I am sure if I dug deep enough into these archives I could find plenty of things that wouldn't make them look respectable.
The only reason they are called respectable is because they have never launched a genocidal war and have been around for a long time.
And aren't the Rangers ment to be neutral? And if they are neutral wouldn't it be against their code to be apart of Lyrenzia a government?
And why is Bumbol Woodstock needed to be here? Because I show the public things which this government doesn't want to been, it's moneymaking scheme.
Bumbol Woodstock
Albernon, Lyrenzia is a oppersing government, not the worst for sure, but oppersing never the less. It judges those it has never seen on the words of people. And those judges that are "respected" are no better then anyone and yet they believe they are. I am sure if I dug deep enough into these archives I could find plenty of things that wouldn't make them look respectable.
The only reason they are called respectable is because they have never launched a genocidal war and have been around for a long time.
And aren't the Rangers ment to be neutral? And if they are neutral wouldn't it be against their code to be apart of Lyrenzia a government?
And why is Bumbol Woodstock needed to be here? Because I show the public things which this government doesn't want to been, it's moneymaking scheme.
Bumbol Woodstock
By the gods, can you not read?
Why don't you go a few scrolls up and read about why there's no profit for Lyrenzia.
Just what the hell is your point anyways Bumbol Woodstock? What exactly is it do you want?
You have a problem with the way Lyrenzia judges? Please tell me your perfect way of judging other people then. I'm interested to know about your psychic abilities to know about things you didn't see by yourself.
What's that you say? You won't interefere in something you didn't see? No wonder it's so hard to catch thieves, when only those who see with their own eyes will chase him.
Why don't you go a few scrolls up and read about why there's no profit for Lyrenzia.
They "registered" you? It just goes to show you don't know you're talking about at all. I said that You and I are (or were, since you were the last time I checked but I can't be sure now) "part" of Lyrenzia because our guilds joined it, and you chose to join your guild. Yet all you have done is complain, instead of proposing ideas to the leader of your guild so he can propose them to Lyrenzia. Hell, or you could just propose to Lyrenzia directly yourself, but it seems complaining is a lot easier than coming up with solutions for you.or pay to Lyrenzia first if can't find victim
Just what the hell is your point anyways Bumbol Woodstock? What exactly is it do you want?
You have a problem with the way Lyrenzia judges? Please tell me your perfect way of judging other people then. I'm interested to know about your psychic abilities to know about things you didn't see by yourself.
What's that you say? You won't interefere in something you didn't see? No wonder it's so hard to catch thieves, when only those who see with their own eyes will chase him.
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((I'd like to sat that it is really low that you resort on 'They do not seem to care about the town because they are not there as much as I am blah blah blah' Well, damn. I guess that having a life should be something to be avoided. I sincerely apologise for not sitting in Illarion 24/7 nowdays, however I am quite sure that when it comes to comparing the online hours of Bumbol and Caranthir, I'd beat you easily. Plain and simple. Some of us don't have the time to invest to this game, also you should concider timezones etc.))
Lyrenzia-does not-get-money-from-judicial-system.
Please, if you did not understand this time..
Ask crosis to read this to you.
Perhaps you understand statistics better?
Behold-
There has been 22 trials to current date;
From these total of FIVE (5) have been sentenced to prison!
From these five, none has paid any compensations to reduce their prisontime what so ever.
Great scheme to make money? Allow me to laugh.
About you being registered citizen, Wow. I am truly amazed by the sheer lack of knowledge. What are you exactly fighting against here? Or do you just say this because it sounds somehow impressive? Wake up!
All registered citizens will be allowed to participate in all Public Votings such as the Public Elections. So.. you want you voting rights to be revoked? ..
Of course, if I was in Lyrenzia's shoes I would to like this Judicial Trail much more, after all, I would be making a pretty profit for condeming someone I have never met or most likely ever will.
Because I show the public things which this government doesn't want to been, it's moneymaking scheme.
Lyrenzia-does not-get-money-from-judicial-system.
Please, if you did not understand this time..
Ask crosis to read this to you.
Perhaps you understand statistics better?
Behold-
There has been 22 trials to current date;
From these total of FIVE (5) have been sentenced to prison!
From these five, none has paid any compensations to reduce their prisontime what so ever.
Great scheme to make money? Allow me to laugh.
About you being registered citizen, Wow. I am truly amazed by the sheer lack of knowledge. What are you exactly fighting against here? Or do you just say this because it sounds somehow impressive? Wake up!
All registered citizens will be allowed to participate in all Public Votings such as the Public Elections. So.. you want you voting rights to be revoked? ..
Folk, please don´t ask questions always again and again.
Questions like, why can´t vote newcomers were answered many times. Only one example, here are many more of these sort.
Go and read the letters with the same topic like this here.
Second. Bumbol, if i remember me right, you are member of a guild which is part from Lyrenzia, so you are a part of Lyrenzia, too.
So, if you have complaints, walk to you guild leader who is at the same time Lyrenzia Councilor. Tell him you afflictions and then pleas him to tell and discuss it with the other Councilors.
Publish letter on the shopwall achieve nothing, except to make you laughable.
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Questions like, why can´t vote newcomers were answered many times. Only one example, here are many more of these sort.
Go and read the letters with the same topic like this here.
Second. Bumbol, if i remember me right, you are member of a guild which is part from Lyrenzia, so you are a part of Lyrenzia, too.
So, if you have complaints, walk to you guild leader who is at the same time Lyrenzia Councilor. Tell him you afflictions and then pleas him to tell and discuss it with the other Councilors.
Publish letter on the shopwall achieve nothing, except to make you laughable.
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