A question about digging and herblore and fishing...any GM

Gargar Stonefist · Post by **Gargar Stonefist** » Sat May 24, 2003 9:02 pm

I see a lot of people placing shovels and fishing rods on the ground in order to "speed up" the digging or fishing process.
It goes faster to click shovel on ground and then rock, than shovel in hand
and then rock.Same thing for fishing and herbloring.
Is this allowed or not?

If it is, could any GM please confirm this.

If it is not, should those doing so be reported?
Feels a bit unfair sweating while the one next to you mines or fishes twice as fast by breakin the rules(if it is breaking the rules).

Fieps · Post by **Fieps** » Sat May 24, 2003 9:11 pm

It can be very dangerous to fish or dig in that manner.
Common it´s not forbidden, but it can be a form of powergaming, if you do it a lot.

It gave many proposals to avoid that, for example, you can only dig, if the shovel is in your hand, but it takes time to convert it, so we can´t do anything except waiting.

Adano Eles · Post by **Adano Eles** » Sat May 24, 2003 9:20 pm

Actually this doesn't speed up anything, as the server can't even process your commands with the same speed as you give them while holding your tool in your hand. It's just for lazy people who don't like moving their mouse more then a few millimeters...

Darlok · Post by **Darlok** » Sat May 24, 2003 9:20 pm

Someone doing this is always in the Danger to be theft of his Shovel, Sickle, Rod or whatever he just uses.
Also the Client "stores" much of the Clicks you do and sends them with a huge delay to the Server. You could get kicked from the server for this.
Or you cant react on an Attack, because the Client still works on the Command you gave him.

Also, most people dont even realize that, it takes exact the same time if you use your shovel on the Ground or in your belt/hand.

It has some huge disadantages, but it is still common.

Fedaykin · Post by **Fedaykin** » Sat May 24, 2003 10:56 pm

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I have never seen that from Violas Side.

Yes with laying the tool on the ground every one can see what you are doing.

Fieps · Post by **Fieps** » Sat May 24, 2003 11:06 pm

Super, i think i said all this with my comment "It can be very dangerous........" Why do we explain now how people can damage persons, which for example dig with the shovel on the ground?

Let us impress folks with our knowledge *sighs*

Gargar Stonefist · Post by **Gargar Stonefist** » Sun May 25, 2003 12:27 am

Those are all basic points and ofcourse you may loose a sickle or shovel, or get attacked, but those are other issues.

Is it breaking the powergaming rule? Is it allowed? Will I get banned if its done? (Y/N)

Please don't give me a 50% "it can be" answer.

Could any GM or Moderator please answer this to a dwarf who wants to live by the rules?

Freo · Post by **Freo** » Sun May 25, 2003 12:48 am

No, it is not against the rules.
No, it is not powergaming unless you do it for extensive periods of times. (its not powergaming because it takes the exact same time to process as if it were on your belt and you were mining. Plus powergaming is doing something for an extensive period of time for the sole purpose of gaining skill, some people might just need coal or iron. If you follow the 3 hours=1 day thing than over 30-40 minutes of mining without stopping would be powergaming.)
No, you will not get band if you do it, because it is not against the rules.
(well theres really no ruling on it anyways)

If you sincerely think you will get into some sort of trouble by using this method, than dont use it. This method is only for lazy people, such as myself, who dont feel like moving their mouse from the ground to the belt constantly (as adano said earlier). It doesent speed up the process any.

John Irenicus · Post by **John Irenicus** » Sun May 25, 2003 7:49 am

They will not ban you for this. No

Viola Thistle · Post by **Viola Thistle** » Sun May 25, 2003 1:41 pm

Well, I like laying the tool out to show others "what" I'm doing. If my character is standing off by herself, its hard to figure out what she is doing. If she has a sickle on the ground, its obvious.

I have never thought laying the tools was faster. I only use them for rp reasons.

Vi

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Tue May 27, 2003 4:04 am

Same with me. I do it with herblore so people can see I'm working, but not mining, because thats obvious.

Arkadia Misella · Post by **Arkadia Misella** » Tue May 27, 2003 12:55 pm

Burps, giggles, sneezes, hiccups, and coughs
Aye....and I don't like clicking it too fast or else people come up and talk to you and you cannot talk back and look really stupid because they ask "How are you?" and you just sit and stare somewhere.

Bloodhearte · Post by **Bloodhearte** » Tue May 27, 2003 3:57 pm

Actually, I don't feel stupid when that is happening, considering Bloodhearte has been an anti-social dorkus lately.

Badmosche · Post by **Badmosche** » Tue May 27, 2003 9:50 pm

errhemm

As far as I know, the #me-command is implemented for showing actions and emotions.
To drop a tool and say *hey its to show others what I'm doing* is a cheap excusion.

Yours.....

Rynt · Post by **Rynt** » Tue May 27, 2003 9:51 pm

Um...Well when someone walks along and says "What are you doing?" after you said what were you were doing, it gets annoying.It's like a constant message that says " I am using this tool "

Crocket · Post by **Crocket** » Tue May 27, 2003 11:09 pm

I believe it is just an excuse to say you put your tool on the ground so people can see what you are doing. When you are smithing do you lay your hammer on the ground so people can see what you are doing? No, because it is closer to your iron ore if you leave it in inventory. If you are standing on a rocky area it is pretty obvious. If you are standing next to a river it is pretty obvious.

I'll admit I do it so I don't have to move the mouse around so much. When you use the computer as much as I do your wrist tends to get tired and every little bit helps. It doesn't mean someone is power gaming because the server will only let you go so fast anyway.

Pronon Palmsuger · Post by **Pronon Palmsuger** » Thu May 29, 2003 4:49 pm

Also People Can throw poison on your tool And you are usually forced to drink it. They can throw other things aswell Food for example

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Thu May 29, 2003 5:12 pm

Crocket wrote:When you are smithing do you lay your hammer on the ground so people can see what you are doing?

No, because people can hear your hammering.

Mishrack · Post by **Mishrack** » Thu May 29, 2003 5:25 pm

Then what about sewing?
no sound there...

Caranthir the great · Post by **Caranthir the great** » Thu May 29, 2003 8:40 pm

paul laffing wrote:
Crocket wrote:When you are smithing do you lay your hammer on the ground so people can see what you are doing?
No, because people can hear your hammering.

Only if the person has his/her sound on.

Trice · Post by **Trice** » Fri May 30, 2003 11:16 pm

Pronon Palmsuger wrote:Also People Can throw poison on your tool And you are usually forced to drink it.

That was a running joke round once...