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Lyrenzia Foundation: Judicial trial / Gerichtsverfahren #6

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(english version below)

Das sechste Gerichtsverfahren der Lyrenzia Foundation hat hiermit begonnen:

Angeklagt werden folgende Personen durch Hagen von Rabensfeld:
Fortinbris Bloodhearte
Fooser
Alnerith Dencort
Grant Herion
Ferrow (inzwischen verstorben)


Anklagepunkte:
gemeinschaftliche Brandstiftung, gemeinschaftlicher Ritualmord, Körperverletzung in mehreren Fällen, die Entweihung heiliger Stätten, das vorsätzliche Herbeilocken von Kreaturen in die Stadt, Sachbeschädigung und die Gründung bzw die Mitgliedschaft in einem geheimen Kult des Herrn der Knochen

Zeugenniederschrift:
1) Das erste was ich bemerkte waren die regelmäßigen Brände in der Stadt, einer davon im Laden, wurde Ferrow zugeschrieben, der auch von einigen Bürgern verfolgt wurde, doch er konnte entkommen. Bei dem nächsten Brand in der Bibliothek traf ich vor dem Gebäude einen Halbling, den ich als Ferrow wiedererkannte und einen Elfen der sich später als Alnerith herausstellen sollte. Des weiteren fiel mir auf, sehr häufig Fooser in der Nähe gesehen zu haben, so dass ich mir vornahm ihn zur Rede zu stellen. Um Zeugen für die Brandstiftung Ferrows zu nennen, bin ich mir sicher, dass zumindest einer seiner Verfolger Faramier war, die anderen kannte ich nicht

2) Ein Elf, den ich später als Alnerith kennen lernen sollte zündete, ohne ersichtlichen Grund, in der Taverne einen Tisch an. Als Zeugen hierfür nenne ich Badmosche, Rian Kasselle, Priestess Galadria und mich selbst.

3) Am nächsten Tage trug es sich zu, dass mehrere Skelette der roten Art vor dem Laden auftauchten, zweifellos von Fooser dorthin gelockt, wie er später zugab. Da ich ihn stellen und befragen wollte, suchte ich ihn als ich ihn in der Nähe sah. Zeugen für die Skelette gibt es mehrere aber ich kenne niemand beim Namen.

4) Auf meiner Suche nach Fooser sprach ich einen Elfen an, Alnerith Dencort, der zwar nicht wusste wo Fooser war, aber behauptete ihn gut zu kennen, was mich dazu brachte weiterzubohren. Mitten in einem belanglosen Gespräch, stellte er mir plötzlich die Frage welchem Gott ich dienen würde, was mich stutzig werden lies. Ich blieb ausweichend und antwortete, dass ich von weit herkomme und die Götter hätten dort andere Namen und dass dies ein eher kompliziertes Thema sei.
Also flüsterte er mir zu: "Moshran? der Gott des Mordens und der Macht?" Daraufhin bekam ich es mit der Angst zu tun, konnte ich doch die Stärke dieses Elfen nicht einschätzen und bat deshalb Drathe und Draakon Na`Kurtak, die in der Nähe waren, noch etwas herüberzukommen und zu bleiben, fürchtete ich doch einen Angriff auf mein Leben. Das führte dazu das Alnerith, urplötzlich Abstand gewann und mir zuzischte:" Hol nicht Drathe, er hasst die Anhänger des Herrn der Knochen" An diesem Punkt traf ich eine schnelle Entscheidung, die ich im Nachhinein eher bereute. Ich tat so als würde ich ihn erpressen und an Drathe verraten, würde er mir keinen "Gefallen" tun. Ich hoffte damit meine üblen Absichten und Praktiken zu beweisen und gab mich auch als Anhänger dieses unheilvollen Gottes aus, der Alnerith`s Meister wegen eines "geschäftlichen Arrangements" treffen wollte. Ich erwähnte an diesem Punkt noch nichts davon, dass ich einem erfundenen Kult angehören würde, was später noch wichtig ist. Alnerith versprach ein Treffen mit eben jenem besagten Dark zustande zu bringen.
Zeugen für mein Gespräch und meine Bitte in der Nähe zu bleiben: Draakon Na`Kurtak und Drathe.

5) Als ich und Alnerith im Laden waren, begann er dort zu zaubern und zu versuchen Eliza anzuzünden. Mishrack, von der Zauberei angelockt, überraschte ihn und ich hielt ihn davon ab sofort einzugreifen und erklärte ihm meinen Plan, alle Mitglieder dieses Kultes zu identifizieren, wenn ich mich als Sympathisant ausgeben würde. Zeuge für die Zauberei im Laden: Mishrack

6) Mehrere Zeugen sahen sowohl Alnerith, Fooser und Grant Herion Altäre aus Flammen erschaffen, jeweils nach dem gleichen Muster, was zumindest voraussetzt dass sich die Besagten kennen und über ihre Altäre ausgetauscht haben. Diese Altäre bestehen aus einer Giftflamme in der Mitte und vier normalen Flammen jeweils in einer Himmelsrichtung.
Einer der Zeugen dafür, dass auch Grant Herion solche Altäre erschafft, ist Seth Valor andere haben Alnerith und Fooser gesehen.
Fooser erwähnte später diese Altäre von Bloodhearte übernommen zu haben.

7) Als ich an einem anderen Tag versuchte mit Fooser zu sprechen traf ich ihn in der Bibliothek, doch er schickte mich weg als er mit dem Zaubern begann: "the others will recognise soon what i am doing here, keep your distance" Drathe kam heran und wie Mishrack hielt ich ihn vom Eingreifen ab indem ich ihn von meinem Plan erzählte und noch während unserer Unterhaltung, hörten wir Schreie, das die Bibliothek brenne, was zeitlich gesehen nur Fooser gewesen sein kann. Zeugen gibt es Drathe und die Bürger die den Brand bemerkt haben.

8 ) Ich war anwesend als Alnerith Dencort den Altar in Silverbrand beschmutzte und ihn anzündete, nachdem er mich zu einer Zeremonie dort unten eingeladen hatte. Ich hörte mehrere Zwerge am Marktplatz über Flammen in ihren Hallen reden und möchte sie hiermit aufrufen ihre Beobachtungen zu melden um meine Behauptungen zu untermauern.

9) Der Ritualmord an Sinnoran Stama: Der Bauer Sinnoran traf zwei Gestalten auf der Terrasse der Bibliothek, nachdem er ihre Frage, ob er stark sei verneinte, griffen sie ihn an, lähmten und "opferten" ihn. Sie riefen dabei die Namen von Moshran und Nargun aus. Später erkannte er einen der Mörder und identifizierte ihn als Grant Herion. Zeugen für Sinnorans Aussage sind Draakon Na`Kurtak und ich.

10) Mehrere Halblinge, wenn ich mich nicht irre Felkin, Hermie, Crosis und Viola Thistle sprachen bereits mit mir darüber das Grant Herion eine Art Kleinkrieg mit ihnen führen würde und dabei auch Hilfe gehabt hat, was auf seine Verbindungen mit diesem Kult hinweist.

11) Fooser hat den Silverstar Laden angezündet wofür er ja bereits verurteilt wurde.

12) Ich traf mich mit Fooser und habe ihm vorgegaukelt einem anderen Kult anzugehören der mit seinem Meister sprechen will. Er nannte Bloodhearte seinen Meister und Mentor bei der Errichtung besagter Altäre und der Praktik, Monster in die Stadt zu locken. Er meinte obwohl man ihn gesehen hätte wäre noch niemand so weit gegangen zu glauben er tue das absichtlich. Er meint sein Kult würde mehrere Orks umfassen zwei Elfen, einer davon sicher Alnerith, der wohl nicht vollkommen in die Machenschaften mit eingebunden war und nicht alle Mitglieder kennt.

13) Am gestrigen Tage stand in der Nähe der Taverne das Feld von Crosis Smallbourrow in Flammen und ein mir unbekannter Zwerg will gesehen haben, dass es Fooser getan hat, was sowohl ich wie auch Damien hörten. Das beweist, dass offensichtlich der Moshrankult Grant Herion hilft bei seinem Kleinkrieg, so wie er ihnen zur Hand geht. Zeugen: besagter Zwerg, Crosis selbst und Damien

14) Draakon Na`Kurtak wurde von Grant Herion in der Wildnis angesprochen und er wollte ihn für seine "Organisation" rekrutieren. Draakon ignorierte ihn und wurde darauf angegriffen.

15) Der Vorfall an der neuen Mauer gestern, bei der Bloodhearte zauberte und sie versuchte in Brand zu stecken. Dafür gibt es zahlreiche Zeugen.

Schlusswort des Zeugen:
Diese Punkte zusammengenommen beweisen die Verschwörung der Angeklagten und niemand, außer einem Mann von Bloodheartes Einfluss und Macht, könnte so eine Gleichheit bei den Altären der Angeklagten verursacht haben und die finanzielle Möglichkeit haben auf Dauer einen Söldner wie Grant Herion zu engagieren und auch wenn seine Gründe für die Zusammenarbeit mit dem Kult ungeklärt sind, ist der Mord an Sinnoran Stama ein hinreichender Beweis, dass er mit dem Kult unter einer Decke steckt.
Zum Angeklagten Alnerith Dencort sei zu sagen, dass ich ihn heute morgen über seine Situation aufgeklärt habe und ihm geraten habe zu gestehen, was er auch tun wollte. Ob er das wirklich macht ist fraglich und er hat auch behauptet, er hätte nur das gleiche Spiel wie ich gespielt und hätte nur die Identität meines "Meisters" herausfinden wollen, was allerdings nicht erklärt warum er bereits von seinem Kult und seinem Meister sprach bevor ich überhaupt die Idee hatte einen eigenen Kult zu erfinden, um meine Scharade aufrechtzuerhalten. Siehe hierzu Punkt vier.

Die Praktiken der Angeklagten Fooser, Grant Herion und Alnerith Dencort lassen darauf schließen das sie die gleiche Schule besucht haben und der einzige den sie alle gemeinsam kennen ist Fortinbris Bloodhearte, mit dem ich ein Treffen arrangieren wollte, was aber aufgrund der Monsterangriffe unterbunden wurde. Länger zu warten und auf mehr Beweise zu hoffen, dazu reichte mir der Mut nicht, muss ich eingestehen.
Des weiteren bitte ich zu berücksichtigen, dass ich niemals irgendwelche Händel mit den Angeklagten hatte und so keinen Grund habe um mich an ihnen rächen zu wollen oder so eine Geschichte zu erfinden.

Ich hoffe diese Anklage reicht, um solche Übeltäter aus der Stadt zu jagen und auch wenn ich damit meine eigene Sicherheit gefährde, sehe ich keinen anderen Weg und hoffe auf die Scharfsicht des Gerichtes,

Hagen von Rabenfeld


Zur Erinnerung:
Dauer und Ablauf des Gerichtsverfahrens:
Während der 5 Tage kann jeder seine Zeugenaussage, seine Vermutungen, seine Meinungen am schwarzen Brett oder durch anderweitige Kommunikation mit der Lyrenzia Foundation zu diesem Fall abgeben. Diese können alle von den Richtern verwendet werden, um die Anklage zu beurteilen. Sollte sich der Angeklagte innerhalb der ersten beiden Tage des Gerichtsverfahrens selber für schuldig befinden, wird die Zeit der Strafe auf 3/5 oder 4/6 der regulären Zeit reduziert.

Ende eines Gerichtsverfahrens:
Ein Gerichtsverfahren endet, wenn:
- der Angeklagte sich als schuldig erklärt
- die Lyrenzia Foundation ihren Urteilsspruch über den Angeklagten abgegeben hat (dies wird normalerweise 5 volle Tage dauern, außer alle Richter haben schon früher ihr Urteil gefällt).
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Post by Lyrenzia Foundation »

((please excuse bad english, the testimony was written in german and translated))

The sixth Judicial Trial of the Lyrenzia Foundation has hereby begun.

Hagen von Rabensfeld accuses the following people:
Fortinbris Bloodhearte
Fooser
Alnerith Dencort
Grant Herion
Ferrow (died last week)

the charges are:
common acts of incendairy, common ritual murdering, body harm in several cases, desecration of holy places, bringing creatures into town, property damage and roting together in a hidden cult of the bone lord.

Testimony:
1) The first, I recognized were several fires in town. Than I was victim, that halfling Ferrow tried to burn eliza and her shop down. He was chased by several citizens, one was Faramier, but he escaped. The next day I met the halfling and an elf, who I found out later, was Alnerith Dencort. As i saw Fooser several times near the fires, I decided to speak to him.

2) In the tavern, I saw Alnerith burning a table, without a reason. Witnesses are: Badmosche, Priestess Galadria, Rian Kasselle and myself.

3) The next day, several red skeletons appeared in front of the shop and several citizens were speculating that someone lured them into town. I followed Fooser, who was near the incident again and wanted to interrogate him.

4) As i was searching for Fooser, I asked Alneriht, if he saw Fooser. He said no, but admitted that he knows him well. During our conversation he suddenly asked me which god i follow. This made me suspicious and i stayed evasive. So he whispered: "Moshran? the god of murder and might?" As Drathe and Draakon Na`Kurtak are standing near and i sensed that Alnerith feared to be revealed to them i decided to pose as a follower of this god and blackmailed him not to reveal his devotion if he wouldn't do me a favour: To arrange a meeting with his master, whom he called Dark.

5) As Alneriht andI were in the shop, he began to cast flames, which Mishrack witnessed. But i prevented him to stop Alnerith and explained my plan to reveal all identities of the cult members to him.

6) Several witnesses saw Fooser, Alnerith and Grant Herion, creating "altars" out of fire all in a similar way. If im right Seth Valor witnessed Grant doing this. Later Fooser revealed me that he learned how to create those "altars" from Bloodhearte

7)I met Fooser in the library, he was just casting and told me"Keep your distance, the others will recognise soon what i am doing here".
Drathe approached and i prevented him to stop Fooser as i did with Mishrack and explained my plan to him. Seconds after this we could hear the citizens shout that someone burned the library.

8 ) I was present as Alnerith burned and desecrated the altar down in Silverbrand. I heared several dwarfs talking about flames down there. They could count as witnesses too.

9) The murdering of Sinnoran Stama: On the terasse of the library, the farmer Sinnoran was approached by two men. They asked him if he was strong an as he said no they stunned him and sacrificed him, shouting out the names Nargun and Moshran. Later on Sinnoran identified Grant Herion as one of the murderers. Witnesses:Draakon Na`Kurtak and Sinnoran

10) Grant Herion seems to be in war with several halflings for a while now and the halflings told me that he had several people who helped him.

11) Fooser did burn the silverstar shop . He was trialed for this.

12) I met with Fooser still posing as a cultist myself and he told me that he learned to make these altars and the method of luring monsters into town from Bloodhearte who is his leader.

13) The field of Crosis Smallburrow was burned yesterday and a dwarf who was standing near told Damien and me, that it was Fooser, which would proof that the cultists and Grant Herion are working together.

14) Draakon Na`Kurtak was asked by Grant Herion to join his"organisation" and as he ignored Grant attacked him.

15) The incident at the new wall yesterday, where Bloodhearte set it under fire. There were enough witnesses.

Last words of the victim:
All these 15 points together proof the conspiracy of the charged people. And noone as Bloodhearte himself has the influence and the power, to cause the symmetrie of burning altars at each of the charged and to have the financial possibilities to hire a man like Grant Herion. The murdering at Sinnoran Stama is evident enough, that he works with them together.
To the charged Alnerith Dencort, I have to say, that I talked today morning with him about his situation and told him to plead guilty. He said, he will do it.

The methods of Fooser, Grant Herion and Alnerith Dencort proof the evidence, that they were taught by the same master, the one, they knew all together: Fortinbris Bloodhearte.
Furtheron, I bet to consider, that I hadn't had any quarrels with the charged persons and therefore I have no reason to take revenge on them or to make such a story.

I hope, this facts are enough for the trial, so that this evildoers have to leave our town. I know, I have to fear for my own safety now, but I see no other way and hope for the wisdom of the court.

Hagen von Rabenfeld


Reminder:
Duration of the Trial Period:
During the 5 day period, anyone can present their testimony, evidence, opinions, on the public board or through any other communication with the Lyreniza Foundation, which can all be used by the judges to evaluate the case. If the accused pleads Guilty within the first 2 days of the trial, the time of their sentence will be reduced to 3/5 or 4/6 of the regular time.

End of a Trial:
A trial will end when:
- Anytime that the defendant pleads guilty
- When the Lyrenzia Foundation has delcared its verdict on the accused (which will usually take 5 full days unless all judges have already cast their vote)
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Post by Fooser »

For God sake.....I merely skimmed that non sense and I saw AT LEAST three wrong facts. One being that I do not make altars, second is that I did the fire to Paul not Crosis, and I did not learn to lure monsters from anyone. I allowed witnesses to make up stories in the last trial, but I wont let it happen this time. I have behaved since the last trial and this is how I am repaid. Half of this stuff was from two weeks ago. I will simply ignore any outcome of this, and anyone who kills me for this will meet the fate of the ones who did it during the last trial. The harder you push me, the harder I push back.

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Post by Hermie »

Whether you did the fire to Crosis' field or Paul's, that is not important, what is, is that you burned a working man's field!
Also, it does not matter how many weeks ago it was, still, it was the fact that you actually did it.
I know Hagen to be a good man, he would not lie to bring harm to someone, only to stop them harming others.
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Post by Damien »

Fooser acted very strange that day. He threatened, and pushed a human and his wife, threatening those coming closer. His behaviour was quite childish, thoughtless, and had agressive tendencies, as it seemed.

I myself thought that Fooser may have been in a very bad or weird mood, not regarding the fact that he always seemed to attract trouble.
With the above accusations, and several other facts heared, it seems to make sense that Fooser's actions indeed had some sense within them.

Adding the fact that, when i looked after some casting in town, the described magic field constellation was present, and the only person i saw around was Fooser, pretending to hunt the person casting in the place, discussing that with an angry halfling or dwarf, while no other person seemed to have been close.

For the burning of the field, Fooser walked by before, that is right... and the dwarf stated that it was Fooser casting the flames.
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Post by Drathe »

As for Hagen and his statments in which I was mentioned, his words are true. If need be I will glady give statment of what I sw at the time.

Fortinbris Bloodhearte and Grant Herion are of the most vile creaturs, second only to Gloran and the late Dunthor. They have on a number of occasions been at the cause of trouble.

One such occasion was at the tavern. I will make this brief but detailed. Myself and Viola Thistle were having a quiet drink at the end of the day. Grant and Bloodheart enterd the tavern. Bloodhearte went for the good lady whislt Grant pushed me off my stool and grapeld with me. I saw flashes of something reflecting off Violas face, which later I found out to be a mirror. The man then took Viola from her chair and down into dwarf town. against her will. Grant threw over some chairs to block my path and he to ran for dwarf town.

I manged to find them, Viola, Bloodhearte and Grant. They were using a mirror on Viola saying words I did not understand. I challanged them to let her go but I was knocked unconsiouse. When I came around they had gone. I again found them. They had used the mirror to control Viola for their evil deed of killing hobbits, which Grant I know to be a hater of.

Grant fought with me in the street, holding me to the floor so I could not interfear, I was lucky to shout for Draakon who took the lady hobbit Viola Thistle, away from the hobbit Crosis she had been mind washed to kill.

Now if that does not back up what Hagen has accued at least Grant and Bloodhearte off, then I do not know what will. It is yet more evidence that they are murderers, committing common ritual murdering, using dangerouse and evil artifacts with intent to kill, cause injury and gain power.
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One day myself and Crosis were reading through some cook books in the library, when the fiend, Fortinbris Bloodhearte stormed his way through and set fire to some of the upstairs part of the library.

When we left the library, we noticed what could only be described as a strange symbol...many flame fields in a certain pattern...which Crosis recognised as something he saw Bloodhearte do once.

If you need me to testify further...contact me.

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Post by Crosis »

Fooser read more carefully, it says that a field of mine was set to fire, it never mentions Paul anywhere. I have witnessed or heard of many of the points that Hagen and others have named and they all seem to be acurate and the truth.


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Post by Gigasha »

Gigasha, with the help of a cloaked friend, reads the charges., Upon finishing, she gets out a piece of coal and a pigskin herself
common ritual murdering, body harm in several cases, desecration of holy places, bringing creatures into town,and roting together in a hidden cult of the bone lord.
All these things, should be removed from charges list. Unless, of course you is wanting to start religious war. Too, removal of charges where acts fit into ritual perfomances shall happen.

Also, in you include too many inhabitants. Youz cannot try all thems people in one trial. Them's alleged crimes is all different.

Lyrenzia seem to be getting confused 'bout how fair trial work.

Even dumb old Gigasha see foolishness of this trial as it is.

This trial, make mockery of religious freedom in Troll Bane. Maybe me just start find out who enemy worship, then make accusation and group in all him friends and other followers of him God.

Even habitants that say them worship "peaceful" God or Goddess, me see them kill. Many of them worst liar in Illarion.
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Post by Mishrack »

Í have indeed witnessed what Hagen upholds me to have, and am willing to testify in that effect.
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Post by Dyluck »

Gigasha, on what grounds do you say that ALL those charges you listed should be removed in repsect of religion? I only see that the last charge isn't against the law. All the other charges are valid unless all victims in the rituals have given consent.
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Post by Gigasha »

Is not against law to worship Moshran. Maybe many not like, but is not illegal. Worship of God of that kind sometimes include live sacrifice. With all monsters gone, sacrifice have to be found somewhere.

Perhaps desecration of Silverbrand holy place is wrong. me not see need for burn altars. However, if ritual was done properly, ((i.e. not just a burning altar, but a specific shape to the flames.)) then is none Lie-renzia business.

ME not see any real proof, ((specific testimony that proves that Any one of those people is responsible for the monsters being brought into town)) that thems did by what me reads, the bringing of Monsters.
There have been attackings on town of late. That is evidence enough to have reason to doubt ANY charges in respect to monster.

On these grounds, and on grounds me said before. ME officially move that this be declared mistrial. And that each subsequent trial from this date, shall be against 1 person for 1 trial. Me know that take longer, but me not see single person admit to these crimes. To be fair, you must try each person according to provable specific deed.
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Post by Korwin »

The problem you see Gigasha, is that even if these flames were in a pattern, they are still flames. Also, even if it's a "sacrifice" the person is still murdered.
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Post by Gigasha »

Still is not right to have trial for this many inhabitants, when me knows for a fact that not all of them is guilty of all of the charges.

Lyrenzia just being lazy. Not care about truth and justice for all. Only whatever thems agenda is. Of which me not sure what that is.
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Post by Dyluck »

If it's not against the law, then it's not Lyrenzia's business.

If you want to burn altars, then don't burn altars that don't belong you or are inside the town.
If you want make flame shape with spells, then do it outside the town.
If you want to sacrafice someone, then get their consent.
If you need to do things for the sacrafice that aren't allowed inside the town, then do it away from it.

If they can't figure this out so that others don't interfere with their worhsipping, then maybe they aren't very intelligent worshippers.


Procedurally, there should be a seperate line for every different charge against every different person.
In any case, each person will recieve a seperate verdict for every charge.

If there are 5 accused and 3 charges against each, then there will be 15 verdicts.
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Post by Alnerith Dencort »

I admit that i have cast town fires and would like to plead guilty.
i will accept the punishment that is given to me, but i would prefer exile because i am too poor to pay any fines.
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Post by Malinne »

Grant Herion is not a worshipper of Moshran. The only times I've seen him make altars were in the woods. Maybe he has connections with Bloodhearte, but I doubt that they're anything significant. I believe Fooser when he claims to be innocent, he is a trouble maker, but he doesn't usually harm anybody, and nor are his intentions malicious... I am aware that he does give Paul a hard time but that is another story.

Oh... I'm just not liking this Lyrenzia thing... I have friends who are branded criminals now. I am not afraid to admit this, I just hope my reputation isn't damaged because of it. I don't think Bloodhearte would want to get himself into trouble so easily with the newly responsive citizens of Trollsbane. No crime goes unpunished except for many that I have witnessed. You are all just wanting to see people punished because you either don't like them or disagree with their beliefs.

I really think this is all unfair... You're probably all biased and bitter which is even less ethical than these men following their beliefs!
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Post by Dyluck »

Dear Malinne,

This trial has not even ended yet so it seems you are the ones branding them criminals yourself, not us.

The only ones who have been branded criminals by Lyrenzia so far are Fooser, Dunthor, and Gloran Basilio, all of which pled guilty to their crimes in previous trials.

You claim the accused here are innocent, yet even you yourself are not specific about which charge you claim they are innocent of, so are you then so sure that they are ALL innocent of EVERY charge?

You are so sure that none of the accused casted unjustly in the town?
Are you saying all the witnesses that saw one of these people cast in town are liars?
What exactly is your complaint? I only see that you are complaining about something we haven't done yet.

Do you think perhaps then that you're the one being unfair, biased, and bitter, when there hasn't been any verdicts to this trial yet?
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Since the plaintiff was not clear on his charges in specifying which person to which crime, the following are the formal charges which have been found to be valid charges in the plaintiff's accusations.

Charges will be added or dropped as necessary as the plantiff provides specifications, or others which to make charges.
  • 1. Hagen von Rabensfeld accuses Fortinbris Bloodhearte of unjustified casting in town
  • 2. Hagen von Rabensfeld accuses Fortinbris Bloodhearte of bringing dangerous monsters into the town, thereby making an unjustified engagement of battle against the town
  • 3. Hagen von Rabensfeld accuses Fooser of unjustified casting in town
  • 4. Hagen von Rabensfeld accuses Fooser of bringing dangerous monsters into the town, thereby making an unjustified engagement of battle against the town
  • 5. Hagen von Rabensfeld accuses Alnerith Dencort of unjustified casting in town
  • 6. Hagen von Rabensfeld accuses Alnerith Dencort of bringing dangerous monsters into the town, thereby making an unjustified engagement of battle against the town
  • 7. Hagen von Rabensfeld accuses Grant Herion of unjustified casting in town
  • 8. Hagen von Rabensfeld accuses Grant Herion of bringing dangerous monsters into the town, thereby making an unjustified engagement of battle against the town
  • 9. Hagen von Rabensfeld accuses Grant Herion of an unjustified attack against Sinnoran Stamma
Charges of property crime through magic will only count as unjustified towncasting charges unless the owner of the property make charges.
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Post by Gigasha »

Me was there at minefield when red skeletons show up. Many habitants was there. NO way at all to prove who bringed.

ME also like to point out, that Alnerith Dencourt, never was, is or ever will be a Blackstone Cult member. At very least, since Head master Dyluck persist with this sham.


ME make 1 last motion.


The name of the Blackstone be removed from charges. These charges against individuals, not church.
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Post by Caranthir the great »

Caranthir reads the newest letters written on the board, grins to himself and writes a short note which he attaches to the end of Dyluck's letter with needle.

Perhaps we could continue our argue of how many two-story buildings there are in Troll's bane, Dyluck?
It would be such an honor for me to defeat you, seemingly impossible is it not? However I do admit that again, as usual, your arguments are truthful (I did not admit that you would have been right in OUR argue, though).
No crime goes unpunished except for many that I have witnessed.
Why, Instead of complaining, you do not report these crimes to Lyrenzia. It is pretty hard for us to press charges if we do not know that a crime has happened.
You are all just wanting to see people punished because you either don't like them or disagree with their beliefs.
Wrong. We want people to be punished if they harm other people, their property or endanger their fellow townspeople.

About Moshran servants and their sacrifices, how about this:
Instead of trying to justify a murder by claiming that it was a 'Sacrifice', why not sacrifice yourself instead? Or someone who shares your believes, and wants to be sacrificed. Religion is not reason to kill others, it remains as a murder, no matter if you try to justify it by claiming that it has some religious basis.

Also, as far as I know, Grant Herion is servant of Nargun.
I wouldn't swear an oath the thruthfulness of that, however.

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Dyluck grins

It took me a few minutes to figure out what you were talking about dear Caranthir. I'd be more than happy to argue about that again since the number of buildings have changed since then.
Lyrenzia Foundation wrote:Since the plaintiff was not clear on his charges in specifying which person to which crime, the following are the formal charges which have been found to be valid charges in the plaintiff's accusations.

Charges will be added or dropped as necessary as the plantiff provides specifications, or others which to make charges.
  • 1. Hagen von Rabensfeld accuses Fortinbris Bloodhearte of unjustified casting in town
  • 2. Hagen von Rabensfeld accuses Fortinbris Bloodhearte of bringing dangerous monsters into the town, thereby making an unjustified engagement of battle against the town
  • 3. Hagen von Rabensfeld accuses Fooser of unjustified casting in town
  • 4. Hagen von Rabensfeld accuses Fooser of bringing dangerous monsters into the town, thereby making an unjustified engagement of battle against the town
  • 5. Hagen von Rabensfeld accuses Alnerith Dencort of unjustified casting in town
  • 6. Hagen von Rabensfeld accuses Alnerith Dencort of bringing dangerous monsters into the town, thereby making an unjustified engagement of battle against the town
  • 7. Hagen von Rabensfeld accuses Grant Herion of unjustified casting in town
  • 8. Hagen von Rabensfeld accuses Grant Herion of bringing dangerous monsters into the town, thereby making an unjustified engagement of battle against the town
  • 9. Hagen von Rabensfeld accuses Grant Herion of an unjustified attack against Sinnoran Stamma
Charges of property crime through magic will only count as unjustified towncasting charges unless the owner of the property make charges.
Gigasha, I don't see the word Blackstone Cult anywhere on this formal list of charges.

If there was indeed no way to prove who brought the monsters in town, then take a guess what the verdict for those charges will be.

It suprises me how so many people forget the difference between a charge and a verdict.
By the way, nobody ever said that there would be only one verdict for all the possible charges.


By the way Alnerith Dencort, now that the charges are more specifically laid out, you may want to specifically name which charge against you that you plead guilty for, as I suspect it isn't all of them.

So far there are no charges against you that require any fines, unless the owner of the tavern or Silverbrand press charges, and even then I would estimate you would owe around 500 to 700 gold coins at most.

Your exact sentencing will come near the end of the court period.
Thank you for your cooperation.
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Post by Gigasha »

Aye, headmaster Dyluck. The revised charges list be acceptable.
ME is satisfied.

Whether enough evidence support charges, time will tell.
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Post by Draakon »

I would just like to state that what has been said including me and what I have witnessed are correct, if there be need for further adding please contact me and I shall provide what I can.
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Post by Nartak Ironmaster »

Was ihr doch für einen Schwachsinn schreibt!
Möge Moshran die Lyrenzia Foundation und Hagen auf ewig verdammen!
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Wir werden sehen wer verbannt wird.
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Post by Malinne »

Malinne sighs.

I know punishment hasn't been dealt and most of these... suspects are not yet guilty. However, it does make them look bad whether they are guilty or not. There are many people in town now that believe that they are guilty without a doubt. It's too bad that people who might fight for them happen to never be around, including me.

I am little bitter, but only for my own personal reasons that I had already requested that Lyrenzia keep out of, and I'm not taking that out on anybody. The only person I took anything out on was Gloran Basilio and that was because my life depended on it.

Perhaps they are not guilty but they are accused and that's bad enough to ruin one's reputation as I have seen happen before... I just don't want that to happen here. Fooser is basically an innocent in my eyes because I have seen real punishable offenses occur. This is just ridiculous. If I'm calling everyone else a liar, then so be it. I guess my definition of crime just varies from all of yours making me reject this Lyrenzia government even more.
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Post by Malinne »

I'd like to add that the only person I say is innocent is Fooser. He is criminal according to Lyrenzia, and the whole thing was just a little one-sided. I guess it's better to punish an innocent rather than set a criminal free. That's fair.
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Fooser is basically an innocent in my eyes because I have seen real punishable offenses occur.
So damaging other people's property is not an punishable offence?
He pled guilty to the charges, your fooser who you admit that is a troublemaker, with good intentions. I wonder, if he has such wonderfully good intentions, why did he attempt to burn our shop. He claimed to protest against us (the silverstar merchants), nonsense. He had told us that there is something wrong with our policies, instead he just tried to burn us down. Good intentions my behind.
I guess it's better to punish an innocent rather than set a criminal free. That's fair.
You talk about the right of your friends, how about the right of victims of claimed crimes? Lets just forget about them, so all the goodnatured troublemakers can have fun by casting funny flames on other people's property, THATS FAIR, right?
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Post by Malinne »

So, protesting is a crime now? Well, damn everybody who disagrees with anything and does something about it. How much damage was actually done? He couldn't have done much. Just because one confesses doesn't mean they are actually guilty, they just want to get it all over with because they know that they can't win the battle. And, so maybe pranks don't have particularly good intentions, yet as bad as it gets is only to get a rise from you people who want everything to run smoothly, perfectly and well, as a result, boring. It seems it worked, a little too well. Fooser isn't stupid, he wouldn't go and do more things that will get him punished again.

Fair... Well in every case we'll always have a liar. Who's to say it will always be the accused? Well, so far it sounds like it the accused are, nobosy really hears what they have to say, and it just so happens to be the minority who isn't exactly appreciated by the general public. Not every case will be fair, but don't establish that it will always be unfair.
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