Warning #i now shows your characters title?

Moathia · Post by **Moathia** » Mon Mar 10, 2003 10:02 pm

What does that mean, I don't see anyones title when they #i I just see their normal names, Elaralith and I have been trying it out, and it doesn't do anything, is there an update or somthing we should know about?

Sir Giandor · Post by **Sir Giandor** » Mon Mar 10, 2003 10:22 pm

Maybe they dont have a title. My own titel "Sir" is also unvisible.

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Mon Mar 10, 2003 10:35 pm

i can see serpardums title

hes serpardum the blacksmith,

i didnt create one for myself so i wouldnt know, also i think giandor it would say "giandor the sir" i think the title is supposed to reflect your trade.

Moathia · Post by **Moathia** » Mon Mar 10, 2003 10:52 pm

No I gave myself the title Lady when I created Moathia, and Elaralith also made a title with her character, and I see nothing.

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Mon Mar 10, 2003 10:53 pm

i have no idea, but serpardum's title works.

Serpardum · Post by **Serpardum** » Mon Mar 10, 2003 11:36 pm

For hte title to show up they must #i to you again.

The client remembers the name you were last introduced as.

To see the titles, reintroduce yourself.

Moathia · Post by **Moathia** » Mon Mar 10, 2003 11:38 pm

We did re introduce ourselves.

Sir Giandor · Post by **Sir Giandor** » Mon Mar 10, 2003 11:49 pm

we did. And I only see one person called "Zauberer XXX" means "Mage XXX". So i dont think that titels are shown after you name.
Also because everytime I introduce i see my Name with a backspace in front. No idea why. When I start again it is fixed until I introduce again.
And i recognized the Phantom-pictures again since today.

Serpardum · Post by **Serpardum** » Tue Mar 11, 2003 12:00 am

Moathia, Giandor, neighter of you has a title for your character.

Moathia · Post by **Moathia** » Tue Mar 11, 2003 12:03 am

I made my title Lady, and what about Elaralith?

Serpardum · Post by **Serpardum** » Tue Mar 11, 2003 12:11 am

Elaralith has no title.

Elaralith · Post by **Elaralith** » Tue Mar 11, 2003 2:28 am

@Serpardum I made a title for my character...something along the lines of Priestess and Healer. But if there is no title would it be possible for us to add one now?

Cuderon · Post by **Cuderon** » Tue Mar 11, 2003 3:05 am

Wohoo!

Actually I want to edit my title. I wrote it in a beer mood, having no clue about Illarion and listening to too much "Einstuerzende Neubauten".
But also I think the title shouldn´t be displayed every time I write something in Illarion, as for the rules state: "A title is NOT part of a name..."
The way it is done now, the title is part of the name. Can a programmer also be banned for enforcing me to break rules?

As I posted in the proposal board, I think the title field as it is now doesn´t make any sense. Closing words by David Bowie "I can´t change time, but time can change me."

Just my two cents...

Adano Eles · Post by **Adano Eles** » Tue Mar 11, 2003 10:54 am

I wrote my opinion about this in the thread which is in the MAin board, called "Neuerung #i" (Don't worry, my post is in english)

Elaralith · Post by **Elaralith** » Thu Mar 13, 2003 5:12 pm

@Serpardum I think that both me and Moathia have titles. The reason why they don't show up in game is because we didn't put something like "the blacksmith" or "the mage". I think that it only works if you put something like "the warrior" etc.. Am I right? If so, I think that it should be changed so that if someone just puts "Mage" in their title box it shows up ingame infront of the person's name. Or a warning should be put beside the create title box to tell people to put "the XXXX".

Bror · Post by **Bror** » Thu Mar 13, 2003 6:23 pm

Elaralith wrote:@Serpardum I think that both me and Moathia have titles.

And I think that Serpardum has written the new code to display the titles and hasn't forgotten in the past week how it works and also checked the database to make sure there is no bug, but simply no entry in the title field.

Korg Blacktooth · Post by **Korg Blacktooth** » Thu Mar 13, 2003 8:38 pm

Elaralith wrote:But if there is no title would it be possible for us to add one now?

As Elaralith said here I think it would been a great idea if people could make a tittle now....because back when we wanted to make charcaters we proberly didn't think the title option would actually start to happen.

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Thu Mar 13, 2003 9:46 pm

Korg Blacktooth wrote: As Elaralith said here I think it would been a great idea if people could make a tittle now....because back when we wanted to make charcaters we proberly didn't think the title option would actually start to happen.

The answer you're going to get for that is "You should've known that everything you enter about your character is going to be used someday or else why would the option be there? So if put/didn't put a good/bad title for your character then it's your own fault."
I don't necessarily agree/disagree to that statement but my reply to it is that whether or not it's the players' fault for entering a bad/no title, forcing characters to be stuck with an inappropriate title for their roles doesn't do anything to help the roleplay now.

Then of course there's the more obvious problem that characters don't always have the same title/status/occupation throughout their life. But if we let players edit their titles at anytime they want, there's a good chance that they enter stupid titles, seeing as how we are still very far from getting rid of a lot of stupid players. Then for example someone could want to title themself "XXXX the king of Troll's Bane", but who's to say whether such a title is legitimate or not?

So what would I prefer? I would rather just have no titles shown like it's always been, and just let characters roleplay telling their title/status/occupation to only who they want and only when they want. I don't see the point of forcing titles to be attatched to the name and clogging up the conversation screen and making character names look impersonal.

But if we must have the title option then I'd rather there be a way to seperate the name and title into seperate fields that are made visible through seperate functions like #i and #t, and then have some option to toggle on/off the title field so that you can easily make the title no longer visible when the title is no longer fitting for your character

And/or
allow editing of the title field only through email to a GM who approves the title and the reason for it. This probably means even more emails for GMs, but I think it's due time to find some new GMs to help out anyways.

Elaralith · Post by **Elaralith** » Thu Mar 13, 2003 9:49 pm

@Bror I do not know those things you 'think'. I'll tell you what I do know though. That is that I definitely entered a title when I created my character Elaralith.

Moathia · Post by **Moathia** » Thu Mar 13, 2003 10:00 pm

Bror, I entered Lady in the title, I would not have simply neglectied to enter anything in, perhaps the coding for it was simply made not to recognise somthing if it didn't have the, and therefore delete it because it takes up that little extra space.

Korwin · Post by **Korwin** » Thu Mar 13, 2003 10:46 pm

Titles don't require 'the' to be visible.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Thu Mar 13, 2003 11:54 pm

Perhaps the title was too long ? Or not taken into the database for some other reason ? Hmmh.
I hope i didn't enter a title. Remembering back to when i made it (created the character to test the game), it could have been something like "Tuborg" or so...

Roke · Post by **Roke** » Fri Mar 14, 2003 1:09 am

I think I put in a title but it was uterrly rediculious, if i put it in and i am glad I have a title. At least my title doesn't have the "Word" "muphin" in it

Serpardum · Post by **Serpardum** » Fri Mar 14, 2003 1:21 am

Elaralith, you are right. You did have the title "Lady". Somewhere along the line when I was moving titles to Prefixes or Suffixes (does the title go before or after the name?) I botched some.

I got hte titles loaded into another database to restore them, but was having a hard time restoring them and fianlly said forget it.

I am planning, very soon, to allow players to change their own title's in game such as:
!prefix Lady
!suffix of the Lake

Which is actually a very easy thing to do. But, right now the code has some other changes in it that I have to debug fully before I release it which may take me a couple of days.

Please be patient.

Elaralith · Post by **Elaralith** » Fri Mar 14, 2003 1:52 am

@Serpardum Wonderful! I cannot wait till you can implement those things you mentioned. Good luck and godspeed!

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Fri Mar 14, 2003 2:00 am

thats very good, because some people come ingame thinking they are going to be a theif, but then they are too nice and they make lots of friends but they cant change their title. (like bumbol

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Delakaniam · Post by **Delakaniam** » Tue May 18, 2004 3:44 am

Didn't want to start a new thread, so I found an old one pertaining to the !suffix name input. A few weeks ago I first put the !suffix "venTcimta" onto my default name, "Delakaniam". Every time I type in "!suffix venTcimta", it adds the last name on with no problems, but I've found that every time I log back in game, the suffix disappears, or at least on what I see displayed. I was wondering if anyone knew or could help me for the problem of why my !suffix name doesn't remain. Also out of curiousity, for those of you who know the character, does the last name "venTcimta" show up all the time?

Cliu Beothach · Post by **Cliu Beothach** » Tue May 18, 2004 3:56 am

#i yourself, but everyone else can still see it

Keikan Hiru · Post by **Keikan Hiru** » Tue May 18, 2004 4:19 am

Correct, you dont "remember" your own titles, but other players/characters/clients do.
Introducing yourself to yourself fixes that, if you find it disturbing.

But keep in mind, for tiles in the prefix and the suffix positions are also the namerules applying.
I have trouble speaking your title and allowing uppercase letters in the middle of a word.

Maybe you want to change that.