Please ban! - Racist player Lakios (13757)

Lord Dark Sunrise · Post by **Lord Dark Sunrise** » Mon Jan 14, 2002 8:36 am

player Lakios (13757) was using racist remarks at Emotopia and Nasa. I woun't repeate what he said but you van check the logs. this post was made about 5 minuest after the incodent.

I told player 13757 to stop and said he was braking the rule but he said, "I dont care" and carried on with racist insults

Haror Miller · Post by **Haror Miller** » Mon Jan 14, 2002 11:49 pm

not that it matters what i think or whatever........but where those comments directed at the character(your "alterego") or Player(the person infront of the monitor)? just wondering...

sean · Post by **sean** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 2:13 am

nathrack also made rascist remarks about communism a wile back but i forgot about and carried on you should do the same they will get themselve sintrouble sooner or later or if your strong enough AND THEYA RE ALONE! kill him many times to teach him lessons

Gurok · Post by **Gurok** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 2:33 am

how can you make a racest comment about communism? Its not a race. Maybe I misunderstood what you were trying to say sean, but if not, um, you cant be racist against communism. You can make fun of it all you want because it has never really worked. Not that it couldnt work, it just hasnt done all that well as of yet.

sean · Post by **sean** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 2:38 am

are YOU putting down communism and telling others to do the same gurok?

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 3:34 am

Sean, racism means to discriminate someone for their race or ethnic origin. Communism is a type of government, not a race.

Haror Miller · Post by **Haror Miller** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 3:40 am

communisim is racisim in a way...think about it hitler n the jews n that type o stuff...so there r no raisist remarks about communism....xcept if they said something like "all germans r communists" n also if i,c,u PK Ne1 i will kill YOU many times (if you have a good reason like justice i wont of course)

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 3:57 am

That has nothing to do with communism itself, that's just racist then. Everything can be racism if you add a racist remark to it.

Gurok · Post by **Gurok** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 4:37 am

no im not putting down communism, as a concept.

Gurok · Post by **Gurok** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 4:40 am

and Haror, are you insane? do you really think that communism had anything to do with Hitler? True the government he was involved with was communist, but not all communist governments go around killing people. Go back to class man, no offence.

Lord Dark Sunrise · Post by **Lord Dark Sunrise** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 6:15 am

All the racist insults that where said where directed at the player infront of the screen. Just because they said they where german when ask by this player (13757)

martin · Post by **martin** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 10:08 am

@gurok and haror:
you're both wrong. the "government" hitler installed in germany and austria had absolutely nothing to do with communism, just in contrary: communism and communists were the biggest enemies of hitler and his *nationalsocialistic* government.
the basic idea of communism is, that every human beeing is equal in his rights and it's social status, everyone has to have the same chances, independently of "race" (there isn't something like different human races, all human belong to the same race, biologically spoken), religion or something.
the basic idea of hitler was, that aryan are better humans, that there is human life that's not worth to live (handicaped, ...) and that some ethnic and religious groups are to be exterminated totally.
in reality, the first one (communism) is a hypothetical concept which was never ever realized. the latter one, hitlers bestialic nationalsocialism, *was* realized. please don't mix these things up. (hitler *fought* communism). this is a very important thing to know, i'd ask you to inform yourself a little bit.

martin

sean · Post by **sean** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 2:21 pm

martin you and I are very alike I know a good much about histroy to

nathrack said: whats the matter are you commie?
I Said :you have something against communism?
Nathrack says: whats the matter you commie, red boy
Nathrack then said : maybe i should call you Yuri
not only is that DISCRIMINATING against communism, Red Boy is used to describe russians in a racist way. Yuri is also a way to describe a russian
@gurok
what do you mean as a concept? you might actually like it in russia although it is usually cold.

Gurok · Post by **Gurok** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 8:01 pm

ok lets try this again, Martin, all I said was in defence of communism, Haror said that hitler killed because he was a communist basically, I just said that was not true. And as for sean-san, I said communism is not bad as a 'concept' because of the fact that it has never really worked to its full potential. A TRUE communist government is the best form of government to date, BUT it has never been implimented in that way. Because of corruption and greed, which are all human traits, it has never worked and can never work unless people change their outlook on life as to work for the common good of all people instead of the good of ones self. And because this is very unlikely to change communism probably wont work anytime soon.

Leif · Post by **Leif** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 8:11 pm

communism is NOT the best goverment, even if it works...
because you have to FORCE people to belive the same, and FORCE them to act the same...
and remove any hope they have about choose anything in their life...
if ilived in a perfect communistic society, i would be an industrial worker, and not an artist...
because talent have nothing to do with anything, that would be unfair...
im a liberalist...
im for as much freedom as possible, without letting crazy people run loose...
im partly anarchistic... but i do not want violence to be legaliced... well.. only if they both agree... then i would think its ok... im VERY liberal...
and if i lived in a communistic country, i would blow myself up and die in martyrdom, in protest of the goverment...
(maybe i would blow myself in the gov buildning, but thats a matter of details)

just to make that clear... im sure marx didnt mean to do anything evil... but
that neither did lucifer ( the story of lucifer and lenin are quite alike... exept the tzar died, god didnt)

martin · Post by **martin** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 8:23 pm

an interesting dicussion

however, my first posting was an answer to:
haror ("communisim is racisim in a way...think about it hitler n the jews n that type o stuff")
and
gurok ("True the government he (Hitler) was involved with was communist, ...").

both statements are simply wrong.
i can't decide whether communism is "the best" form of government or not, but i don't think that it is a bad one. however, what leif said isn't true for some reasons. a communistic system wouldn't force you to become an industrial worker. you probably misunderstood some things here; you could of course become an artist in a perfectly communistic country as well. there is no restriction for that.

martin

Gurok · Post by **Gurok** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 8:29 pm

now i understand what you are saying martin.

Leif · Post by **Leif** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 8:34 pm

it would be a lottery, of who would be an artist and who wont...
it would not have nothing to do with talent, as everyone has the same amount of talent... hehe (all are equal)
i used it as an example... artists and industrial-workers would be numbers, not people...
but, for the byrocracy to work, noone may decide their own life...
it would be decided by laws and goverment...
and mathematics...
we would be robots, not people...

by the way... theres almost no difference between facism and communism... the only different thing is the way people are looked at... facism, deals people into smaller groups, like white, black and so on... but communism just have "people" and hope they are all the same...
so wen you look at it like that, hitler WAS communistic, very communistic, in pracsis....
tax-politics and such are after the same ideology that marx wrote in the "communistic manifest"

Caranthir the great · Post by **Caranthir the great** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 8:43 pm

as someone said , communism is a type of goverment , nothing todo with racism.
maybe its not politically correct to call person to "commie" , but it sure hell aint racist comment.

Gurok · Post by **Gurok** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 9:07 pm

Well it isnt racist but it still is an insult to a group of people, and besides, it was made at the person behind the screen, not at the character so its still very wrong.

Leif · Post by **Leif** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 9:09 pm

Maybe he roleplayed a commie...
COULD be...

Bror · Post by **Bror** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 10:05 pm

Maybe this discussion has nothing to do with the topic.