Foundation for the Protection of Merchants

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Fri Feb 07, 2003 6:46 pm

Attention all merchants! People with ridiculously low prices are killing hard working merchants! All who want to do something about it, rally behind me!

Caranthir the great · Fri Feb 07, 2003 10:30 pm

And what do ye plan to do to the people who sell under the 'reasonable' prices?

Also, I'd rather rally behind someone else, arent ye the fellow who rolled on the campfire over and over again??

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Fri Feb 07, 2003 11:00 pm

what? i know not what you speak of.

Roke · Post by **Roke** » Fri Feb 07, 2003 11:15 pm

I think there is something of about a SMACC council being planned... That should help. Also, why would we want you to lead us? You seem to have the same leadership qualities of one who was named sean-san, although you aren't as bloodthirsty.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Fri Feb 07, 2003 11:26 pm

i know not of this person, but i do not want to lead, i want a council

Fooser · Post by **Fooser** » Sat Feb 08, 2003 3:32 am

Paul it's a lost cause, (this is hypathetical-- If the normal price for pants is about 10(not sure its just an example) and I want business, so I lower my prices to 5 gold per pair of pants, what are you going to do about it? Sure you could kill the person, but they can come back and sell for 5 gold again, there's no way it can happen, unless we make Illarion a communist society, which wouldnt be good

Mishrack · Post by **Mishrack** » Sat Feb 08, 2003 3:55 am

argh! Sorority?!
Why did you have to use that word?!
It's hurting my ears AND my eyes...

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Sat Feb 08, 2003 4:35 am

what do you mean why did i use the word? (looked in a thesaurus under guild and this was like, the coolest one)

Drogla · Post by **Drogla** » Sat Feb 08, 2003 5:20 am

either way, whats wrong with really low prices? i find it easy to sell stuff no one wants fir ridiculusly low prices.i have sold hunting armor and other tailored items, which it seems there is slmost no market for, for low prices. it is teh way i make money, selling for such a low price. no low prices and i am out of busness! do you really want that to happer? think about it. you get what you want for a great bargen price(hence the name of my guild), or are you saying you want high prices so you can barely affor a firesword and plate armor? dwell on what i said for a while. low is good, hard work patys of in time. high prices only get paid occasionaly.

Drogla, son of drag
Bargen Master
www.geocities.com/bargenmasters

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Sat Feb 08, 2003 5:26 am

it all works out in the end. Also, with the inset of the new skill system, items should be worth more. As soon as there are tons of noobs and not as many older folk, there won't be many people who can make the better items. Won't you want them to be worth a lot?

Drogla · Post by **Drogla** » Sat Feb 08, 2003 6:21 am

the better items are still worth more, i mean as everything is cheap. firesword is 50gp while a normal sword is 25gp or exp.

Drogla, son of drag
Bargen Master
www.geocities.com/bargenmasters

Crosis · Post by **Crosis** » Sat Feb 08, 2003 11:31 am

((Isnt a sorority like a woman fertunity(spelling?)? ))

Hermie · Post by **Hermie** » Sat Feb 08, 2003 9:23 pm

Heh! Is there something you aren't telling us Paul? Anyway, seriously I think that trying to control people is wrong! We are born free, I shall live free. My prices may not be as high as some, but they are fair, NOT cheap!

Mishrack · Post by **Mishrack** » Tue Feb 18, 2003 2:48 pm

((letme guess, Paul, it was an american dictionary thing, right?

))

Kringin · Post by **Kringin** » Tue Feb 18, 2003 9:18 pm

Paul Illarion has a free market so you can sell for what ever price you want to sell at. People make money what ever way they can.

Crocket · Post by **Crocket** » Tue Feb 18, 2003 11:42 pm

Let's be realistic, In order to make a pair of shoes (without buying anything) a character would have to dig up some ore, dig up some coal, make a needle, make a pair of scissors, kill a pig and get the skin, kill a zombie and get the entrails, make thread out of the entrails, then they could make some shoes. Let's say the going price for a pair of shoes is 10 gold (just an example).
No character in their right mind would sell those shoes for 1 gold. It would be bad roleplaying. Put yourself in your character's place, would you go through all that trouble just to make 1 gold.

And if a character bought some of the stuff to make the shoes they would want to at least make a profit over what they had to spent.

I think that it should be considered bad roleplaying if someone makes ridiculously low prices.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 12:56 am

Thank you, Crocket, for the revelation and new meaning. I'm surprised i didn't think of this myself

. It would be very bad roleplaying to sell stuff for so much less than they are worth.

Mishrack · Post by **Mishrack** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 2:47 am

Hint hint, Paul;
Fraternity means brotherhood. Sorority is the female counterpart to that.
Now guess three times what it means

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 2:55 am

What are you talking about? This is a foundation. Wake up! So far, Crocket has given a very good reason for this foundation. Would you like to join me Crocket?

Cain Freemont · Post by **Cain Freemont** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 3:33 am

Paul, you completely contradict yourself in your messages. Here is your flaw:

paul laffing wrote:but i do not want to lead, i want a council

This is all fine and dandy, you want to help, but not to lead. Then you go and say this:

paul laffing wrote:This is a foundation. Wake up! So far, Crocket has given a very good reason for this foundation. Would you like to join me Crocket?

It seems there is more that is left unsaid here...

Mishrack · Post by **Mishrack** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 3:35 am

And if you want to lead a sisterhood of merchants thats fine, but I just dont quite see how you could be considered a sister...

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 3:49 am

I mean join me on a coucil, do you not see this? There can be no council if there are no members, and so far i am the only member. And mishrack, if you have nothing positive to add, don't say anything.

Crocket · Post by **Crocket** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 3:53 am

What exactly is the difference between a council and a foundation?

How do I join?

What do I do after joining?

Shouldn't this be in the proposals as a rule change?

What is a good merchants guild to join?

Cain Freemont · Post by **Cain Freemont** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 3:57 am

Paul:
I found Mishrack's message quite positive. It got a chuckle out of me when I read it.

Hermie · Post by **Hermie** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 4:04 am

Put yourself in your character's place, would you go through all that trouble just to make 1 gold.

It isn't really bad roleplay, there are people being exploited all over the world and earn next to nothing, because their only alternative is nothing, and therefore they would starve.
But no-one in Illarion is likely to roleplay a slave everyday so I suppose this is unlikely to happen.

Also, I will sell at my prices even if they are lower than any standards you may get round to setting. Vivé la resistance! *shoves his fist in the air*

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 4:06 am

a foundation is, in my opinion, a not-for-profit organization set up for the good of everyone. You can join if you are a merchant of some sort. This is not really a guild. I am not trying to change any rules. THERE!

Roke · Post by **Roke** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 4:40 am

And who is the "Leader" of this "Foundation"?

Crocket · Post by **Crocket** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 4:49 am

Roke wrote:And who is the "Leader" of this "Foundation"?

There doesn't really have to be a leader just a group of people who all share equal votes on how to conduct business.

@Paul
If not a rule change how do you propose to stop the underselling?
I really can't think of a way right now but I'll study on it.

another question
What makes one a merchant?

do you just make that claim -- "I am a merchant"?

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 4:50 am

Ack! This is running around in circles! *calms down* As i have explained before, there is no leader. It is a council.

Cain Freemont · Post by **Cain Freemont** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 7:40 am

Foundations always have some sort of leader... In most cases, the leader is the founder of the ...uhm.. foundation.