Tax return?

Perry · Post by **Perry** » Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:23 pm

How does it work? I did not see a detailed explanation anywhere. One would be very much appreciated

Lillian · Post by **Lillian** » Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:27 pm

Well the taxes paid to a city are returned to the citizens in the form of magical gems.

Perry · Post by **Perry** » Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:28 pm

When and how? also, does it take into account the tax that has already been payed? Some have payed a small fortune as it is

GolfLima · Post by **GolfLima** » Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:35 pm

and how to get these magical gems?

Lillian · Post by **Lillian** » Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:38 pm

It will be paid when a months ends and a new one starts. You will get those gems just like you pay your taxes: automatically. It will of course take in account the taxes already paid.

Perry · Post by **Perry** » Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:38 pm

Thank you!

Achae Eanstray · Post by **Achae Eanstray** » Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:46 pm

If an in game month no gems have been paid yet.... it has been more then one month.

Perry · Post by **Perry** » Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:47 pm

Wasn't it just implemented today? I guess that we'll have first gems at the end of the month..

Achae Eanstray · Post by **Achae Eanstray** » Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:52 pm

Never mind.. see the News: http://illarion.org/general/us_startpage.php

GolfLima · Post by **GolfLima** » Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:17 pm

thanks ...

Salathe · Post by **Salathe** » Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:34 pm

Er... In my case, I've already donated ~40 gold to Cadomyr (outside of taxes), will this be accounted for, for cadomyr citizens?

Post by **Jupiter** » Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:40 pm

taxes already paid and donations will be taken into account

Salathe · Post by **Salathe** » Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:41 pm

Are the gems rewarded based on the gems of power? ie; topaz/sapphire for cadomyr

Lillian · Post by **Lillian** » Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:43 pm

Salathe · Post by **Salathe** » Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:45 pm

Awesome, thanks for the info =)

GolfLima · Post by **GolfLima** » Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:54 pm

hm .... that means if i like special magical gems (i.e. saphir) -> i have to change my "hometown" to Cadomyr?

Lillian · Post by **Lillian** » Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:55 pm

Or you trade with a cadomyrian.

nathi · Post by **nathi** » Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:21 pm

I know only things "made by Jerem" and not "trade by Jerem"

HolyKnight · Post by **HolyKnight** » Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:47 pm

Cadomyr is not topaz and sapphires.

Topaz and Amethysts.

HolyKnight · Post by **HolyKnight** » Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:53 pm

Now here is the question I have. When you donate an item to your said city.... is the donation equal to the price of the item or is it equal to the price an NPC pays?

Perry · Post by **Perry** » Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:56 pm

This is awkward... I received one lvl 2 gem and one lvl 1 gem.. payed around 30 golds in tax until now. On my alt, that i have never played, I received 5 level 1 gems. He payed a total of ... 15 silvers as tax?

Where's the difference between me, a rich merchant who pays TONS of coins to tax, and a noobie who pays just a little bit, if both get the same?

Flux · Post by **Flux** » Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:08 pm

@Perry, how do the gem merchants work in towns? I've not looked into it, but perhaps they take a significant fee, and by receiving a level 2 gem you bypass that?

Fooser · Post by **Fooser** » Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:25 pm

Perry wrote:This is awkward... I received one lvl 2 gem and one lvl 1 gem.. payed around 30 golds in tax until now. On my alt, that i have never played, I received 5 level 1 gems. He payed a total of ... 15 silvers as tax?

Where's the difference between me, a rich merchant who pays TONS of coins to tax, and a noobie who pays just a little bit, if both get the same?

That doesnt seem to be the case

Perry · Post by **Perry** » Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:31 pm

Flux wrote:@Perry, how do the gem merchants work in towns? I've not looked into it, but perhaps they take a significant fee, and by receiving a level 2 gem you bypass that?

I have no idea, never tried it. If that's the case, then it's all right.

Djironnyma · Post by **Djironnyma** » Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:42 pm

The gold you paid is tax, no forced gem buying. Like in RL the benefit from taxes is redistribution from wealth to any citizen. How many Gems you get have nothing to do with how many Tax you pay, but with the rank you have in your town and how many taxes your city get in total from any citizens.

Anyway the dev(s) which made the tax system think about a direct benefit/stimulation for paying high taxes, one idea is to give rank-points for high taxes. But that is neither implemented nor decided yet. Just keep in mind that the whole tax system is still work in process.

rakust dorenstkzul · Post by **rakust dorenstkzul** » Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:32 pm

This sounds awfully socialist to me.

Post by **Nitram** » Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:33 pm

rakust dorenstkzul wrote:This sounds awfully socialist to me.

So?

rakust dorenstkzul · Post by **rakust dorenstkzul** » Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:46 pm

Nitram wrote:
rakust dorenstkzul wrote:This sounds awfully socialist to me.
So?

Socialism is only a step away from communism, why should the poor get anything for free?

Salathe · Post by **Salathe** » Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:46 pm

As much as I'd love to jump in and bash socialism/communism, this is a game. Go join the laissez faire hemp necktie inn if you dont like it!

Edit: Also, it'd be truly socialist if the taxes/donations were converted into X amount of gems, then those X amount of gems were distributed among all the citizens. But everyone gets the same reward (depending on rank) regardless of how many citizens there are. So it's actually not socialist at all, since you donated X amount of money and you have been rewarded not only for your input, but others input. In this case, you are not being punished in any way because of how this distribution magically pools everything together and pays everyone more than their input.

It's some form of government spending that doesnt exist in RL because it has no actual foundation, but it's very nice =)

Also on the note of a rank 2 and a rank 1 gem versus five rank 1 gems... It costs nothing to combine gems (maybe this should be changed?) but think of it this way.. lets say it was just one rank 2 gem versus 4 gems. Those 4 gems could have 2 of each kind, and thus not allowing you to create a rank 2 gem. It's not much, but that is the benefit, the mitigation of not having enough gems to create a higher rank.

Fooser · Post by **Fooser** » Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:06 pm

Socialism seems like an odd redistributive method for a corrupt oligarchy like Galmair, does it not?

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