Pk player, please help

[Sliktor]

I was with a friend whom was casting magic SOUTH of town when this person (id# 18025) comes up to inform us not to cast in town. I try to explain that this is not in town when she begins shoving us. Informing her that this is bullying and I would report her, she calls a friend of hers (id# 13895) and PK's both of us for no reason. That PK'r number again is 13895, and her friend, the accomplice, is 18025. Please inform the PK'r of the Rules about random PK'ing for no reason.

Signed
Sliktor

[Damien]

Player law is : It is forbidden to cast NEAR town. That means a distance of about 2 Screens away.
This has two reasons :
1. Avoid all dangerous spells in town, field spells etc.
2. Spellcasting "Spams" the surrounding area by shouting. With people casting near town, normal talk is almost impossible.

[Sliktor]

That is player law, and by the way I see it, anyone can make a player law. But I am mentioning the code of conduct. And also, why was I pk'd when I didn't even cast once? It was my friend who casted. So that constitutes pk'ing.

[Mishrack]

a player law means that it is accepted by the majority of the players. as such if you disobey that law, the players have valid RP reason to kill you, and thus it is not PK.
Secondly, as to why YOU were also killed; I am sure you intervened and as such recieved same treatment as your friend (also justifiable rp reason).

[Sliktor]

Still no answer. I think I hit the truth there. She says that I lied that I would report this to a GM or on the boards, but here it is. And, oh yah, I wonder how your going to explain why you should of pk'd me when I mentioned that? That I dont' have a right to report it on the board so I can get pk'd for it? And pk'ing me for just doing peasantry? Man, this is so bogus. People are just blood thirsty. They reach a high level and have nothing else better to do than do this.

[Mishrack]

hmm... take a deep breath and look over your post. then realise that it makes absolutely no sense and finally post what you actually meant to say in a comprehensible manner.

[Sliktor]

Ok, I will be calm, and restate myself.

1.) Understandably, I do obey the no cast in town law, as I never casted once. I informed id# 18025 that we were not. So saying this alone constituted me to die? Having free speech gives me the right to die?

2.) I stated that I would report this person if she did not stop bullying us and threatening us with magic to the boards. Does this constitute me to die for this?

3.) She then calls upon a friend (id# 13895), and she pk's us with no reason until after the attack. Then she says, "Do not lie about GM." I guess by stating the truth, which she was bullying us, and I was going to report this to the proper authority, and on the proper board (this board) that it constituted that I should die.

So the main point here was, id# 13895 pk'd me for no reason except stating my opinion. I did not attack or shove once, or even casted magic but stated a mere point of view. So in the rules of this game, please gm do something about this character.

[Korwin]

Somehow I doubt you have told us all the information. I also believe it wasn't such a good idea to threaten them by saying them would be banned. This would be bad roleplaying, and really annoying as well.

[Sliktor]

Excuse me sir, but I am quite sure that they can pull the chat logs. I read about that. And me saying that they were gonna be banned.. When did I mention this? I said I was reporting it. I had no intention on banning but I wanted the Game Authority to know of this. And as for truth, I am pretty sure that they can pull the chat logs on it.

[Sliktor]

I go through all the correct channels to report a PK'r and yet I have to fight tooth and nail for anyone to believe me. I am asking a Game Authority to look into it. That is all.

[Damien]

The "reporting" implies the same : It IS totally out of character.

These persons were killing you with a low reason, or with no actual reason, as you say. In case this is true, the log data will show that, of course.
In the near future, such PKs who don't really care about roleplaying, as well as powergamers, will not pass the account application system most likely - or will be removed after accidentaly passing it . At the moment, we cannot do much, except for watching all involved persons, and take action when they violate(d) the server rules. (Towncasting is NO server rule, it's a city rule made by the most of its inhabitants, so you cannot get banned for that - just killed hehe).

You will also find an email adress on his page, where you can report rule violations to the GMs (violations@illarion.org)

[Hermie]

If what you say is the truth, I think you were pked, what you said was not vulgar or insulting, and therefore there is absolutely no good reason to kill you for it. You friend however, if he was casting after they said you were in town, that would be justified, unless he stopped when they told him.

[Xaveria]

Sorry of All that!

But first of all you have not casted - your friend did and casted more than once on me. I told him freindly not to cast near town. But he said to me that I dont have any rights to say that. Sorry - but my char has the rights as a knight of the grey rose.

I pushed you friend - not you - while he was casting over and over.

Sorry for doing this - but this is the only way for my char to behave because she is not allowed to fight.

After my pushing him out on town and your and your friends argueeing - you told me that Separdum likes to know that and that my char will be banned for PUSHING!!!

I ask someone for help - cause I could not reach Separdum. And I think you both have to go to the cross of making us both feel that you misuse a power you don´t have.

So that is all from me.

edit: bad english

[Roke]

After clearing the biases from my head I believe that this was not a pk incident as you were violating a player rule and threatning while being asked nicely to move further away from town. Perhaps you should read the rules on this website, you would have realized that this person, Xaveria from what I read did not violate any rules regarding the games (not player rules like not casting near town, but the rules created by the creators of the Illarion Role-Playing Game). Your usage of threatning to get them. Everything was going well, within role-play until YOU threatened the person pushing with an OOC reason. I believe that this was not a pk and also, it was an isolated incident brought on by you and your friend.

p.s. two screens away from town??? oh my, welll now I know.

[Sirius]

Dear Sliktor

i must say you and your friend had a lot of luck.... others maked fast aktions against towncasters, and to cast at a others is a attack! If i ged attackt i speak with a cloud.
As i know had Xaveria to try to talk with you, also after the resurrection.
And it isnt nice to stand by the workhous and cast there together.
cuze if someone wants to talk NOONE can read.
Btw what training was it that you can only react after you have cast 15-20 times?

[Serpardum]

I looked into the logs. Everything seems to agree with what everyone said. Someone was casting, someone thought it was too close to town, the first person griped about it, someone else got involved, they were killed.

Sorry, I don't see a rule violation there.

After my pushing him out on town and your and your friends argueeing - you told me that Separdum likes to know that and that my char will be banned for PUSHING!!!

That person who told you that was wrong.

[Sliktor]

I don't know where you got the notion that I said that Serpardum would ban you since I never said that. My friend probably was hot mouthed and said that, but I just stated the obvious. But oh well, it's one pk. I'll keep my eyes peeled for pk'rs and HOPEFULLY, you won't shoot me down since this is my FIRST report like this. If you notice, I am not constantly pointing pk'rs since I know when I am in the wrong. Well, I am sorry if my way was offensive, but in the end you killed me with no reason. And with that your friend dropped my peasantry. So now you know why I was mad.

And thank you very much Serpardum for looking into the logs. I know your busy and a trivial situation like this takes your time up. Thanks.

Signed
Sliktor

[Sliktor]

Sirius, that was fishing.

[Caranthir the great]

Oh well, I am going to stick my big nose into this. #me grins widely

Dear Sliktor,
Instead of using word "Pk" which doesn't mean anything In Character (IC), you could use "Murderer".

Sincerely yours,
Caranthir

[Mishrack]

it is not the fact that you do it,but the way in which you chose to do so that is annoying...