Can you trade with other players? - Is there some command fo

Stefanf · Post by **Stefanf** » Sun Mar 31, 2002 8:44 pm

It's cool if I can trade with other players, but not if we have to put the stuff on the ground and pick it up then. (Not scammer/thief safe)
Is there some command to get a trade window, in which both have to agree?
If not, consider this a suggestion.

(Edited by Stefanf at 9:45 pm on Mar. 31, 2002)

Eleanor Rigby · Post by **Eleanor Rigby** » Sun Mar 31, 2002 10:20 pm

No, there isn't something like a trade window in Illarion, and I don't think we need it. Trading isn't thief-safe, and as in real life you have to trust your trade-partner.

Stefanf · Post by **Stefanf** » Mon Apr 01, 2002 11:35 am

Aw, come on! Do you seriously believe that IRL trade partners just put their items on the ground? Something like a trade window really is needed to do a good trade.

Erdrick · Post by **Erdrick** » Tue Apr 30, 2002 1:27 pm

Or, have two hands pop up, drag the item to the big hand picture, then click on hand to pull your hand away. That way, your partner CAN scam ya, and it is more realistic than putting it on the ground.

Gronham · Post by **Gronham** » Mon May 13, 2002 8:43 pm

(sorry for my english)

And when other players take the goods you want to trade? or if you and the trade partner are far away form others an suddenly somebody has logged on and is standing in front of you and take these things?

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german:(deutsch)

Wenn andere Spieler die zu tauschenden Waren einfach wegnehmen, oder wenn plötzlich jemand im letzten Eck des Landes auftaucht, und dann etwas wegnimmt?

Baraktul · Post by **Baraktul** » Mon May 13, 2002 8:51 pm

Personally I like how items aren't safe when traded, you can be scammed, or people can steal from you, perhaps having to drop items on the ground to trade isn't realistic, but I do like how you have to be careful.

Caranthir the great · Wed May 15, 2002 12:47 pm

Indeed, Eleanor, but in real life the thief has no opprtunity to teleport himself away (log off).The two hands idea is good..

Astral · Post by **Astral** » Wed May 29, 2002 4:01 am

If two people hand goods to each other, they don't go from safety from others to more safety. If you are handing good off to another person, someone can just run by and snatch it out of your hands (that is unless you are really paranoid). So putting it on the ground isn't that far away from reality, if you think about it. The action may be different, but the possible consequences are exactly the same.

The logging off after stealing isn't a problem for a trading system to handle, it is for the rules/enforcement....

Caranthir the great · Post by **Caranthir the great** » Wed Jun 12, 2002 8:19 pm

But you are wrong, astral, we need a tradingsystem of somekind with a small chance of stealing succes if tried.
Today i had to witness a thief on his work.
I and a halfling were making a trade, he showed me what he had to offer. Suddenly a human walked by, grabbed everything and ran away, that is not fair for the traders at all.

1. In real life, unless you are blind or the thief has speed somewhere close to a lightning, you can see the thief trying to grab the items. In illarion you can never be sure is he just walking by or just about grabbing the items.
2. In real life when catching the thief you can force him physically to give the items back, in illarion you cannot do it, unless he is kind enough to give the items to you after you have killed him, thought i have not heard that someone would have done it.

So i think that somekind of "trade system" would be nice.

Astral · Post by **Astral** » Sun Jun 16, 2002 3:48 am

I see point number two, that is something that might have to be worked on by the developers. But I don't see the relavence of point one. In real life, do people usually trade expensive items in the middle of a crowd? I think that you can see people who could be potential theives in game as well. If you are really concerned, go someplace where no other people are. They are easy enough to find.

NeyTara · Post by **NeyTara** » Wed Jun 19, 2002 12:21 pm

That may be not so easy. Should I be a merchant who has an object for trade, and I meet a willing buyer, I shall be much happier if the trade could be done in public. That way I know that the buyer won't cut my throat before, after or during the deal. A trading screen which is designed for a safe and legal way of trading seems like a fair enough idea. However odd it may seem, it might not be fair to let ye olde thief down. So mayhaps a taxation fee on such a trading screen is possible ?
If all of that won't work, there could always be an auctioning hall, where people can have items for sale for a duration of time, and the highest bidder wins. Of course..there is a fair chance that eventually everyone will already have the item that is for sale and it will die out, but that will happen eventually anyway, unless new items are made.

Juliana · Post by **Juliana** » Wed Jun 19, 2002 12:49 pm

It won't be good for thieves if there is such a trading screen. There won't be the possibility to steal anymore. So it is better if you watch your stuff and to look carefully at the buyer. So you minimize the chance to be the victim of a thief. Think about it.

NeyTara · Post by **NeyTara** » Wed Jun 19, 2002 2:30 pm

'Looking' at the buyer won't do me any good, it's just a non-customizable avatar.

Juliana · Post by **Juliana** » Wed Jun 19, 2002 2:49 pm

So don't 'look' at him but try to get proof that he won't 'cut your throat'. In reality there's also a chance of getting robbed by somebody. So don't complain about thieves. Protect yourself and don't expect that the program will solve your problems!

NeyTara · Post by **NeyTara** » Thu Jun 20, 2002 2:59 pm

Keep your temper, I am not the one who is concerned by whether or not they will fix the trading system. I'm only concerned by the way the economical system is going.

I do sense a contradiction in your posts. First you say that we should also keep it fair for the thieves, and now you say that the purchaser should first be examinated before he or she can buy anything. I don't see a problem with that, except that thieves will be systematically eradicated if they steal a single thing, as no one will then trade with that person.

Hyssena · Post by **Hyssena** » Fri Jun 21, 2002 9:04 am

I think that the contradiction you mentioned stems from the fact that Juliana wants realism. In real life, there is a conflict of interests between a thief and a merchant. The thieves will have to try to be more surreptitious, and the merchants will have to be more cautious. Personally, I don't see anything too terribly wrong with the current system of trades.

Astral's point about not trading expensive items in a crowd was the best. Haven't you seen enough mobster movies to know you're supposed to go to a secluded and smokey room far away from prying eyes to make deals?

I agree with Neyt (and most everyone else) that the economy is a problem. I think the SMACC price minimums were a good idea that may not have worked as well in practice as in theory, but at least people are trying! (On another personal opinion note, I think Erdrick had really good ideas about price minimums being a compromise between dirt cheap and fair market... but that's another discussion for another topic on another board.)