Dragon?

Kurga Wolfbane · Post by **Kurga Wolfbane** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:09 am

I found a dragon's lair.

Is there supposed to be a dragon in it?

Athian · Post by **Athian** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:15 am

do you want there to be?

i'll be happy to play the part of the dragon that eats the orc that walks into it's cave.

but no i don't think they'd leave that particular monster laying around anywhere just yet, though it would be awesome.

Kurga Wolfbane · Post by **Kurga Wolfbane** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:27 am

I think a permanent Dragon there for parties to kill would be a good addition to the game, just like the stone golem. These things are usually too powerful for one warrior to kill and really takes a party of characters to bring them down.

We could use a few more 'party' level creatures around the dark places of Gobiath. It may even be fun for groups to 'quest' after these creatures. I heard there are demons, but haven't found them yet.

Avalyon el'Hattarr · Post by **Avalyon el'Hattarr** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:28 am

a dragon can kill in one hit

Post by **Nitram** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 9:17 am

If we place there is dragon you should know:

1. Dragon is much stronger then a stone golem
2. Dragon can fire strong fireballs over long distance - a few of those fireballs are deadly
3. Dragons can breath fire in short range that creates some fire flames on the ground and can turn a nice area into a ocean of fire with in a few seconds - those breathes hit multiple characters and are become deadly pretty fast.
4. Dragons can bite. And such a dragon bite hurts, be sure

So better say faaaaaar away from Dragons.

Achae Eanstray · Post by **Achae Eanstray** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 9:54 am

I wouldn't be interested in fighting one, but was wondering if they were still around. It had been awhile since one flew over Trolls Bane, but I may have just missed hearing of it.

Skaalib Drurr · Post by **Skaalib Drurr** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 10:02 am

Don't say that too loud.

Post by **Estralis Seborian** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 12:17 pm

What is the use of monsters that are not used ingame for they are too dangerous even for a party of well skilled heroes...?

Dragon spawn, way to go. As long as the dragon does not respawn every five minutes, nice addition to the game.

Arkadia Misella · Post by **Arkadia Misella** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 12:46 pm

Searavae kissed a dragon in game once. Proudest moment of my life = Convincing a GM to put up with my shinanigan's long enough for me to sneak a kiss, lol

Post by **Nitram** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 2:22 pm

Estralis Seborian wrote:What is the use of monsters that are not used ingame for they are too dangerous even for a party of well skilled heroes...?

They are not too dangerous. But i don't like the idea for random characters running around saying "Oh yeah. Dragons. I kill 5 every day."

Llama · Post by **Llama** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 2:58 pm

Kurga Wolfbane wrote:I found a dragon's lair.

Is there supposed to be a dragon in it?

Kurga, exploring around is nyce, but you don't have to ask questions and stuff regarding whats supposed to be and what's not to be

Find out ingame about certain things...

Avalyon el'Hattarr · Post by **Avalyon el'Hattarr** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 4:16 pm

Nitram wrote:
Estralis Seborian wrote:What is the use of monsters that are not used ingame for they are too dangerous even for a party of well skilled heroes...?
They are not too dangerous. But i don't like the idea for random characters running around saying "Oh yeah. Dragons. I kill 5 every day."

How about making them dangerous then?

something for 10-15 people to handle

nmaguire · Post by **nmaguire** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 4:24 pm

And, perhaps put in some fire-resistant armor/shield or something, to give people a chance?

Kurga Wolfbane · Post by **Kurga Wolfbane** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:20 pm

Just my opinion, but I think a Powerful dragon only a party of experienced warriors can kill would be a good goal for warriors to go for.

I think it should also drop a sizable treasure too, maybe 20-30 silvers? Or even Gold Treasures and Magic Weapons/Armors.

I think this is justified because I have heard:
1) Experienced Goldsmiths make diamond rings some have sold for 60 silvers each.

2) Experienced Smiths sell high quality armors for up to 30-40 silvers not to mention the magic weapons!

3) Experience Carpenters sell Magic wands for 15-20 slvers each.

So why can't experienced fighters also profit from the ultimate goal of killing a dragon? Especially if they have to divide it amongst a party. I think having an 'ultimate' goal for fighters is good and makes it more on par with other professions.

Fooser · Post by **Fooser** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:45 pm

Fooser 1 hit a dragon with a rapier

Taliss Kazzxs · Post by **Taliss Kazzxs** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:49 pm

man who needs a dragon when you have these red skellys and golems running through TB pawnin folks left and right.

Skaalib Drurr · Post by **Skaalib Drurr** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:57 pm

Kurga Wolfbane wrote:Just my opinion, but I think a Powerful dragon only a party of experienced warriors can kill would be a good goal for warriors to go for.

I think it should also drop a sizable treasure too, maybe 20-30 silvers? Or even Gold Treasures and Magic Weapons/Armors.

I think this is justified because I have heard:
1) Experienced Goldsmiths make diamond rings some have sold for 60 silvers each.

2) Experienced Smiths sell high quality armors for up to 30-40 silvers not to mention the magic weapons!

3) Experience Carpenters sell Magic wands for 15-20 slvers each.

So why can't experienced fighters also profit from the ultimate goal of killing a dragon? Especially if they have to divide it amongst a party. I think having an 'ultimate' goal for fighters is good and makes it more on par with other professions.

You obviously have a very small idea of the material cost involved; in how much they must buy, the many failures, and the many bad examples they get before they get these ones they can sell for 30 silver.

Athian · Post by **Athian** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 7:03 pm

Arkadia Misella wrote:Searavae kissed a dragon in game once. Proudest moment of my life = Convincing a GM to put up with my shinanigan's long enough for me to sneak a kiss, lol

that wasn't a GM Ark, that was my dragon you kissed. and i considered eatting you at that point, but somehow it seemed a bit to evil even for me. and i'm pretty evil

Avalyon el'Hattarr · Post by **Avalyon el'Hattarr** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 7:08 pm

good thing that it wasn't me then

Kurga Wolfbane · Post by **Kurga Wolfbane** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 7:26 pm

Skallib Wrote: "You obviously have a very small idea of the material cost involved; in how much they must buy, the many failures, and the many bad examples they get before they get these ones they can sell for 30 silver."

Does a warrior of high experience risk less? How much do they have to spend in armor, potions, weapons and time before they become good enough just to defeat a red skeleton?

I think they are equal 'costs' to any craftsman.

Pia Dandelion · Post by **Pia Dandelion** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:54 pm

I think that dragons should remain quest "monsters" with some intelligence behind them, if you know what I mean.

Skaalib Drurr · Post by **Skaalib Drurr** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 9:09 pm

Kurga Wolfbane wrote:Skallib Wrote: "You obviously have a very small idea of the material cost involved; in how much they must buy, the many failures, and the many bad examples they get before they get these ones they can sell for 30 silver."

Does a warrior of high experience risk less? How much do they have to spend in armor, potions, weapons and time before they become good enough just to defeat a red skeleton?

I think they are equal 'costs' to any craftsman.

I disagree. For fighters, perhaps 20-30 silver before they defeat reds (skaalib has perhaps spent 20; he is not quite there). For smiths, the ore they must buy/mine would equal about 200 silver (skaalib has spent perhaps 70 or 80 upwards, and not nearly there) before they can make good salkamaerian officers. (these are just rough guesses, I dont actually know).

Korm Kormsen · Post by **Korm Kormsen** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 9:28 pm

How much do they have to spend in armor, potions, weapons and time before they become good enough just to defeat a red skeleton?

do you play, or do you do business? that everything you "invest" has to pay off?

and even so, with a little patience and less powergaming you could at least save on the costs for potions.
potions are necessary only, if you try to attack what is stronger than your char.

Athian · Post by **Athian** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 9:41 pm

maybe we could have a test group take on a dragon as they are now. and see what they think about there strenght.

Avalyon el'Hattarr · Post by **Avalyon el'Hattarr** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 9:47 pm

And uncle Ava will play the dragon

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