Position within Government of Trolls Bane open

Garett Gwenour · Post by **Garett Gwenour** » Wed Apr 26, 2006 11:10 pm

I am currently looking for another interested in being apart of the Government of Trolls Bane. The position currently is tax collector. It would be very useful if you speak both the old tongue and new tongue. You will be paid for the work and certainly this job will help you further yourself in the Government. If you are interested please seek me out within our glorious town.

Stephen Rothman
Governor of Trolls Bane

Devrah Liioness · Post by **Devrah Liioness** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 12:24 am

If you plan on collecting taxes in the name of a town that your rights to govern are questionable, at best, I am certain you will be providing a detailed list accounting for every copper you tax the people for?

--DL

Garett Gwenour · Post by **Garett Gwenour** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 2:50 am

Once again your iggnorance and your paranoia is clear. The people I tax are those owning buildings and set merchants. This include Eliza and her shop, our neighborhood Morgan and Sorgan as he owns the workshop. Also Thomas whom owns the Seahorse is taxed.
If you would look further then your own nose you would find that written within the Charter of the town under the title, "Taxes", only landowners are taxed.

Stephen Rothman
Governor of Trolls Bane

Turonga Mudwater · Post by **Turonga Mudwater** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 3:52 am

Turonga want Job! Turonga Spit on hooman skum fur nut payin der taxus tah almighty Stephun! Turonga nut want pay taxus neither so she e tax man.

Turonga

Korwin · Post by **Korwin** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:40 am

Although I fully support taxation, I must state my disagreement with the allocation of the funds.

The town guard is an important, even necessary portion of the city defense, but I fail to see the need for such heavy spending to support them. Even with the current personell, 700 copper a month ((each week)) will be spent on the guard.

I see this as unnecessary spending, when one considers that for the past months, even years, the guard has functioned efficiently with eager volunteers, and no outside funding.

Even more worrying, it has been expressed that in time the Knighthood of Kallahorn will also be paid monthly, and making the assumption that the eight ( 8 ) pages will recieve no salary, 1150 copper will be spent every month funding the military arm of Trollsbane.

I would call for these taxes to be spent in improving the economy, and infastructure of Trollsbane, rather than its militia.

-Orren Padick

Gwendolin Cad'ell · Post by **Gwendolin Cad'ell** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 7:29 am

Be greeted Orren,

I can understand Sir Rothmans intention to pay the guards and not rely on those few who join as volunteers. When you look at the current guard you will only find Revlen truly around town, doing his job. With a payment there will more warriors be interested in joining and a growing guard can provide towns safety better.

Yours respectfully,

Gwendolin Cad'ell

Retlak · Post by **Retlak** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 10:44 am

Yubba, Retlak took dis job. Retlak hab de money soon.

-Retlak

Travian · Post by **Travian** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 12:02 pm

Revlen always asleep i'm always around doing my job. So hold your toung of yoo don't know what you are talking about.

Karguk Inkathurg

Recruit of the Town Guard

Gwendolin Cad'ell · Post by **Gwendolin Cad'ell** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 12:20 pm

It was not meant as an offend, Recruit Inkathurg. I'm glad about every volunteer who works in the guard. It's an honorable job.
But still, two guards are not enough for providing the safety of the towns people.
That was the point of my message, nothing else.

Yours respectfully,

Gwendolin Cad'ell

Callith · Post by **Callith** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 3:15 pm

So basically you will protect the town with mercinaries who work for the one who pays them, rather than people who wish to help protect the townsfolk. This is not a good start especially as it seems to be attracting people who have even fought against the town in the past. As to paying the knight hood that is beyond foolishness, knights are supposed to fund themselves, otherwise they will also just be paid lackeys.

Callith

Devrah Liioness · Post by **Devrah Liioness** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 3:17 pm

Oh, I do my job. My job isn't running to this illicit governor's beck and call for a few copper a month. My job is defending the town I call home, and Stephen Rothman is not the leader of that town.

~Devrah Liioness,
Recruit of the Guard

Garett Gwenour · Post by **Garett Gwenour** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 3:27 pm

Incorrect, I am and shall remain the leader of the town. If you cannot stand it, I will be more then happy to release you. You have not been around to even collect your month's pay.

To Orren, I do see your concern, however the Town Guard is slipping into inactivity. Revlen breathed life back into it and recruited some people but those people are raw recruits and need to worry more about making money to buy armour then training. We cannot have our town guard experts in mining but complete novices in combat. Paying them their share of the taxes encourages them to train more and worry about extra money on the side less. The same can be said about the Knighthood of Trolls Bane.

Concerning building Trolls Bane further, do not fret, such building will be done regardless of the redistribution of taxes involved. While the workers decide if they want work or not tho, I must see that Trolls Bane military arm is top notch.

Stephen Rothman
Governor of Trolls Bane

Aristeaus · Post by **Aristeaus** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 3:34 pm

The knighthood and the townguard are seperated for what reason, from all accounts it seems obvious they play the same role?

Aristeaus

Garett Gwenour · Post by **Garett Gwenour** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 3:42 pm

The Town Guard stands as the Shields of Trolls bane whereas the Knighthood stands as the Swords of Trolls Bane.

Stephen Rothman
Governor of Trolls Bane

Aristeaus · Post by **Aristeaus** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 3:46 pm

It is my impression that the knighthood would defend the town, and that the guard would attack its enemy. It has always been so in the past.

All the best

Aris~

Taylor · Post by **Taylor** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 3:50 pm

They are of the same leader Arist. Some can not sperate one side of their mind from the other. This leads to confusion.

All that is planned is doomed to fail, when all that is not, is destined to succed

Best wishes, Governer
~J~

Arameh · Post by **Arameh** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 4:16 pm

Devrah Liioness wrote:Oh, I do my job. My job isn't running to this illicit governor's beck and call for a few copper a month. My job is defending the town I call home, and Stephen Rothman is not the leader of that town.

~Devrah Liioness,
Recruit of the Guard

Not to offend you Devrah, but I never seen you nor heard about you defending the town, not once. As for the town, there only a very few guards, we need more than that, and paying them is about the only way to do so.

So basically you will protect the town with mercinaries who work for the one who pays them, rather than people who wish to help protect the townsfolk. This is not a good start especially as it seems to be attracting people who have even fought against the town in the past. As to paying the knight hood that is beyond foolishness, knights are supposed to fund themselves, otherwise they will also just be paid lackeys.

Callith

There arent enought peoples that protect the town Callith, that is the thing. If you would have been around you would have seen that there were constant menaces in Trollsbane, sometimes there were guards and knights, sometimes there were none. Paying the knights and guards will only make them train more instead of crafting, mining or do anything to get money, while they can barely fight. As well, I am sure guards and knights that only comes in town to get their pay shall not keep their title for long, I will be watching that.
_____________________________
Fourth Knight Arameh of Kallahorn

Devrah Windslasher ~ · Thu Apr 27, 2006 4:20 pm

Arameh_ wrote:
Devrah Liioness wrote:Oh, I do my job. My job isn't running to this illicit governor's beck and call for a few copper a month. My job is defending the town I call home, and Stephen Rothman is not the leader of that town.

~Devrah Liioness,
Recruit of the Guard
Not to offend you Devrah, but I never seen you nor heard about you defending the town, not once. As for the town, there only a very few guards, we need more than that, and paying them is about the only way to do so.

___________________________
Fourth Knight Arameh of Kallahorn

And not to offend you, Arameh, but did your highly keen eyes glance over the part where I stated that I would not defend anything in the name of Stephen Rothman?

Remaining loyal to the free Trollsbane,
Devrah Liioness

Arameh · Post by **Arameh** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 4:24 pm

Alright, so you want to stay in the guards, but you wont defend peoples, because Stephen is the governor. I dont think we need peoples like you in the guards.

Fooser · Post by **Fooser** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 4:28 pm

And how is Trollsbane not free the way it is now? I haven't seen anyone being oppressed lately. All I see is a couple of bitter fools who seem to have some type of grudge, and a bunch of anonymous criminals who are complaining lately. That makes since because we have caught and tried more criminals recently than most before this time, so sure I guess they should complain now shouldn't they? So, there is now a tax. What is the problem with that? They should be responsible for tax and upkeep, rather than having a bunch of foriegn citizens owning things in Trollsbane. This was also done to try and limit problems like we had with Tialdin and the inn, and keeping up on owners activity with their buildings and services. So now you are complaining about being payed? Didn't you also complain about him hiring mercenaries for the orc issue and not paying guards?

F

Devrah Windslasher ~ · Thu Apr 27, 2006 4:31 pm

I oppose Stephen Rothman because he has no rightful claim to Trollsbane, and because I believe him to be too power-hungry to have any control over anyone but his own little knighthood.

Put simply enough for you?

--DL

Fooser · Post by **Fooser** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 4:33 pm

Sure, he might have overstepped a little in the past, but I have not really seen any issues lately? There is a genuine concern to help make Trollsbane better, so why be so hastey with the hatred?

F

Drex Thaendrak · Post by **Drex Thaendrak** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 4:47 pm

One former criminal defends the other. Some of us still remember your glorious days, Fooser.
Stephen Rothman is a fool with the political competence of a four-year old. He is even considered an enemy of the Grey Rose and banned from order territory because he had to free his lackeys from imprisonment.
The only people which concern him are his lackeys, or "knights" as he likes to call them. He would overthrow any law and make any enemy he has to for them. And this is supposed to be a town leader? Don't make me laugh.

unsigned

Turonga Mudwater · Post by **Turonga Mudwater** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:05 pm

Since Stephun nut reply cause he sum dum er sumthin, me take it me be gaurd now.

Turonga, gaurd.

Retlak · Post by **Retlak** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:39 pm

i is not a Lackey!
But anyways, i take it i is tax collector, i geb money soon.

Retlak

Poots · Post by **Poots** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:45 pm

I would be more than happy to collect taxes for the leader of Troll's Bane, Stephen Rothman. although I'm afraid I only speak the new language.

~Allen~

Gwendolin Cad'ell · Post by **Gwendolin Cad'ell** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:10 pm

Callith,
It's normal that a town guard gets payed. Actually, Trolls Bane was the first town I encountered on my travel where the guards are volunteers. It impressed me a lot, because it shows how much those people care for this town. Yet I can only repeat it: The problem is that there are not enough of those honorable warriors who risk their life 'for free'.

I do not see why a knight gets payed though. But to be honest, Sir Rothmans 'knighthood' differs a lot from any I've met now. It proves only for me that a name is nothing but a name. The title knight doesn't make a knight automatically.

Gwendolin Cad'ell

Miklorius · Post by **Miklorius** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:59 pm

"Governor" Rothman is just tolerated...

unsigned

Llama · Post by **Llama** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 7:06 pm

The reason why there aren't much town guards, is because Revlen doesn't apparently need them.

I have been waiting for a meeting for ages, as has soem other gentleman who's name I have forgotten...

When is my meeting coming may i ask? And this would be an official parchment you're wasting

Brother Selisidour

Cliu Beothach · Post by **Cliu Beothach** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 12:14 am

Orren:

While your arithmetic is amazing, you seem to leave out one part. These taxes most likely won't pay for the wages themselves. No doubt that this extra money comes from the generosity of Stephen. It takes time and money to start up working systems to help out everyone.

~Brer Beothach~
Magistrate of Trollsbane
Bank of Trollsbane