When I first played this game, it was hard. In combat with mummies, I was casting heal, running, and trying hard to survive. Now, I am more knowledgable about the game, and I think the only thing I hate, is the following.
1. Combat is too fast in some cases.
2. Two shields is WAY too efficient.
3. No shields is WAY too vulnerable.
4. Monsters seem either hit or miss.
1. When I go to fight a skeleton, I can win, with two shields. Hell, with two shields, I could damn near kill anything, if I was patient, but if I take one off, I am dead in two hits. Which isn't even a seconds time. That is way too fast.
2. As I said, with two shields, I could take damn near anything, becuase it renders you nearly immune to people. Make it, so someone using two shields CANNOT attack, only defende, so it is more usful to peacful farmers to use two shields.
3. If I use a bow, and arrows, if a creature gets next to me, I am dead. Unless it's bees, or a mummy, I am dead, becuase even bees can hit me, which is kind of sad, and the big monsters just take me in two hits.
4. Lastly, if you have a very high parry, and use two shields, NOTHING can hit you. And monsters can't hit you, until you go to a cetrain level (drop a shield) in which case they hit you alot. There should be a way, that, even with top parry, full agility, and two shields, there is STILL a chance something can hit you. That way, an angry mob of monsters/players can hit someone, who is a master of parry.
I really do belive those need some working. If anyone has any thoughts, agrees with me, or just hates my ideas, then lemme know. =D
Parry and shields. - They need reworking.
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Parry and shields.
Hello Tinari!
First of all, I agree with you. Maybe for some other reasons.
1. Two shields doesn´t render you invincible, if the opponent has good fighting skills.
2. It seems that shields are the only way to parry now - and that´s not realistic. With two weapons you seem to have no chance of parrying at all - and that´s awful!
3. I would suggest some dodge-skill, especially when using a bow. Or when not using a shield.
4. It seems, that someone with great strenght can kill a man in plate with a dagger - even when using two shields! That´s neither fun nor realism. A dagger CAN do damage to an armored fighter, but it should not be able to kill him that easily.
First of all, I agree with you. Maybe for some other reasons.
1. Two shields doesn´t render you invincible, if the opponent has good fighting skills.
2. It seems that shields are the only way to parry now - and that´s not realistic. With two weapons you seem to have no chance of parrying at all - and that´s awful!
3. I would suggest some dodge-skill, especially when using a bow. Or when not using a shield.
4. It seems, that someone with great strenght can kill a man in plate with a dagger - even when using two shields! That´s neither fun nor realism. A dagger CAN do damage to an armored fighter, but it should not be able to kill him that easily.
Parry and shields.
Yes a dodge skill
This was talked about long ago along with martial art abilities.
I think alot of the fighting system has to do with basic attributes not being used and people using points in intelligence dex agility and con. max them out and you have a super fighter/mage This shouldn't be able to happen. more things need to come in effect and I agree with the two shields being too effective. How about wearing two shields you also can not cast magic. That keeps wizards from being all powerful against fighters who don't know magic.
This was talked about long ago along with martial art abilities.
I think alot of the fighting system has to do with basic attributes not being used and people using points in intelligence dex agility and con. max them out and you have a super fighter/mage This shouldn't be able to happen. more things need to come in effect and I agree with the two shields being too effective. How about wearing two shields you also can not cast magic. That keeps wizards from being all powerful against fighters who don't know magic.
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Parry and shields.
Hallo
a dodge skill is good (good for distance weapons too)
and we need stamina (so noone cant fight with 4 ppl and dont get hit by them)
if the char is good enough he will hit u no matter if u use 2 shields
Bye
Read ya
MfG
Capt. Kirk
a dodge skill is good (good for distance weapons too)
and we need stamina (so noone cant fight with 4 ppl and dont get hit by them)
if the char is good enough he will hit u no matter if u use 2 shields
Bye
Read ya
MfG
Capt. Kirk
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Hmm yeah, but distance weapons should not be dodgeable - only parryable.
Parry and shields.
Ok, try telling me two shields aren't too effective.
I equipped two shields, with my parry about half way, and killed a Demon. That's not right.
Yet, if I have no shields, becuase I am an archer, and I attack an ogre, and he manages to hit me one time, I am dead.
Oh well.
Hi Kjallah. ^.^
I equipped two shields, with my parry about half way, and killed a Demon. That's not right.
Yet, if I have no shields, becuase I am an archer, and I attack an ogre, and he manages to hit me one time, I am dead.
Oh well.
Hi Kjallah. ^.^
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Then you have very good fighting attributes. I have compared my three characters, even with high parry, no "normal" guy survives a demon. Even with two shields, an average person can be killed by the spiders.
(Edited by Damien at 2:09 am on May 8, 2001)
(Edited by Damien at 2:09 am on May 8, 2001)
Parry and shields.
So, "Very good" is having your parry at the K on Fighting Skills, then for a passive person, I am a helluva blocker.
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No. I did ot say skills. I mentioned attributes. For blocking, agility or likewise is important, for example. Unless you have not a very high rating in this, and i guess in some other attribute too, you cannot block even a spider with two shields, even with no bad parry skill. Even with two shields, you can be easily killed by a fighter person who uses no shield. If you do not fight back, but one dies very quick here.. 
Parry and shields.
Demons are easy and everybody can kill them -even me. I don't know what you are meaning with high parry. In my notion anyways high parring refers to the point that you reach after 30-60 Minutes of intesive training. Then just put 2 shields on and the demon shouldn't be able to hit you one single time. The problem might be that you don't hit the demon either :) but you can work on that too. Btw a parrying skill like described above will make you immune to other player attacks, at least if you have 2 shields. Probaly even 1 shield and a firesword are enough and not even a fighter with maxed fighting attributes and maxed fighting skills will be able to hit you.
Parry and shields.
Ahhh. I got ya.
I do have a very high Dex and Agi. Just not too hot Con or Str.
I do have a very high Dex and Agi. Just not too hot Con or Str.
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Right, Tinari.
And Echnaton, that's not right. A good, strong and agile fighter can kill you even with your two shields equipped. Even with a trained parry skill. One hour of intensive training does not make you high trained. After that hour, your skill rises slower, and you need a person or monster with good skills too to train you higher.
As i said, a "normal" person ( with fighting attributes at about ten) can have trouble with spiders and beholders even with two shields, and with a "trained" parry skill. I cannot kill a spider or beholder before it gets me down - and that WITH two shields and a well trained parry-skill. In case of a demon, i know one tactic : run. Or stand back and heal.
(Edited by Damien at 4:06 pm on May 8, 2001)
And Echnaton, that's not right. A good, strong and agile fighter can kill you even with your two shields equipped. Even with a trained parry skill. One hour of intensive training does not make you high trained. After that hour, your skill rises slower, and you need a person or monster with good skills too to train you higher.
As i said, a "normal" person ( with fighting attributes at about ten) can have trouble with spiders and beholders even with two shields, and with a "trained" parry skill. I cannot kill a spider or beholder before it gets me down - and that WITH two shields and a well trained parry-skill. In case of a demon, i know one tactic : run. Or stand back and heal.
(Edited by Damien at 4:06 pm on May 8, 2001)
Parry and shields.
Just a question of meaning: What do you mean with "parry"?
Parry, in my opinion, means "to block an incoming attack". This leads to further questioning, if I can´t block a swing with my blade also.
So, a fighter with two shields is almost invulnerable, but I would say so only for distance weapons. A sword should still be able to strike him. And a fighter with two swords should be able to parry a melee-attack with almost the same skill-level as with a shield. Maybe you could use the slashing skill for that kind of defense?
Parry, in my opinion, means "to block an incoming attack". This leads to further questioning, if I can´t block a swing with my blade also.
So, a fighter with two shields is almost invulnerable, but I would say so only for distance weapons. A sword should still be able to strike him. And a fighter with two swords should be able to parry a melee-attack with almost the same skill-level as with a shield. Maybe you could use the slashing skill for that kind of defense?
Parry and shields.
Hi I´m fighting at RL with two weapom / one shild and one weapon and i have try it with two shilds
well two weapons are only good against a enemy with one weapon!!
two weapon havnt a really chance against shild and weapon because the men with the shild can better go at the infight
with two shilds you are really better at parry ! because the blockadearea is enormes but you can attack only very poor (at the game you make not a lot damage)
at the game i have agi 20 and my parry is very good!! i fight with two shilds
i have no problem against the demon or the worm BUT if both attack me i can die! its not happened onla at one time
because i have 2 shilds i fight long against the demon untill he is dead and i must have a look at the worm or .....
the same is by the spiders!
the only what we need i think its stamina
well and the bow is not for the close combat if a enemy can slash at a bowmen its too late the bow is not for the frontline the bowmen is a men at the background
Sirius
well two weapons are only good against a enemy with one weapon!!
two weapon havnt a really chance against shild and weapon because the men with the shild can better go at the infight
with two shilds you are really better at parry ! because the blockadearea is enormes but you can attack only very poor (at the game you make not a lot damage)
at the game i have agi 20 and my parry is very good!! i fight with two shilds
i have no problem against the demon or the worm BUT if both attack me i can die! its not happened onla at one time
because i have 2 shilds i fight long against the demon untill he is dead and i must have a look at the worm or .....
the same is by the spiders!
the only what we need i think its stamina
well and the bow is not for the close combat if a enemy can slash at a bowmen its too late the bow is not for the frontline the bowmen is a men at the background
Sirius
Parry and shields.
RL= REALLIFE ???Hi I´m fighting at RL with two weapom / one shild and one weapon and i have try it with two shilds
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Hi, Sirius!
I think you fight only in european style, right? Well, european weapons are bit heavy and clumsy, so you´re right about using two shields as an advantage. But try it against a fighter with a lighter weapon like a sabre. I think, you would be astonished!
In game, a fighter with a dagger can kill you, even with two shields - and that´s a bit funny. A dagger CAN pierce armor, but it should do less damage.
You´re right about the bow, but that´s exactly the point. I don´t have to parry an attack, I can also dodge it! In RL parry means harming the blade or shield, and a good fighter will dodge an attack rather than parrying it for the risk of breaking his weapon.
And two weapons ARE dangerous, even against sword and shield. Especially when using a long and a short blade (for the infight).
I think, we need a few more varieties in weapons, not only for fighting, but also for gameplay. I don´t give a damn about fighting values if I can have weapons that suit my char! If there were a scimitar or a sabre, I would gladly change the firesword for it.
I don´t speak about BETTER weapons, I just speak about other FORMS. A sabre could have the same value as the firesword (for the curved blade), or a main gauche could have the abilities of a wooden shield. I think, this would spice the game up a bit.
I think you fight only in european style, right? Well, european weapons are bit heavy and clumsy, so you´re right about using two shields as an advantage. But try it against a fighter with a lighter weapon like a sabre. I think, you would be astonished!
In game, a fighter with a dagger can kill you, even with two shields - and that´s a bit funny. A dagger CAN pierce armor, but it should do less damage.
You´re right about the bow, but that´s exactly the point. I don´t have to parry an attack, I can also dodge it! In RL parry means harming the blade or shield, and a good fighter will dodge an attack rather than parrying it for the risk of breaking his weapon.
And two weapons ARE dangerous, even against sword and shield. Especially when using a long and a short blade (for the infight).
I think, we need a few more varieties in weapons, not only for fighting, but also for gameplay. I don´t give a damn about fighting values if I can have weapons that suit my char! If there were a scimitar or a sabre, I would gladly change the firesword for it.
I don´t speak about BETTER weapons, I just speak about other FORMS. A sabre could have the same value as the firesword (for the curved blade), or a main gauche could have the abilities of a wooden shield. I think, this would spice the game up a bit.
Parry and shields.
And what about piercing weapons?!
There is a skill but it only applies to scissors.
I would imagine a 4 year old with this skill would be deadly.. hehe
There is a skill but it only applies to scissors.
I would imagine a 4 year old with this skill would be deadly.. hehe