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*staying late into the night writing the note he went to pin it on the board*

[it read as follows]
[Note]

Many of you have come to know me and maybe even respect me.  I hope that this saves me from the majority of your wraith.  The Order of the Grey Light in perticular I hope will understand my actions.  I have taken the person Wanderer under my wings and have given him sanctuary.  This is an action by me and not my Guild so I hope any fellings can be localized and confined toward me and not my fellow freinds.  Wanderer has been shown me a side that few have seen.  A side that can be good more than it can be evil.  I have the reputation I have because I can trust more readily than my fellow illarions.  More than one chance is nessisary and I hope that my faith is not missguided in beliving that you all can forgive any transactions of aggression my freind has bestowed upon you.  It is my hope to convert him toward a more freindly approach than that of a pk and newbie killer (whitch I belive he is not).  His language is foul but that is his main and only crime in my eyes at the moment.  Coming into this world he has experieced some wrong doings against him as well as him against others.  I do not hold it against him even though I too have felt his spells and blade.  I ask that you all give him another chance and do not harm him on sight like you did another (darkwalker witch i know now that he is not).  It is with saddness in my heart that I belive it has come to this.  A time when no chances are given to redeem one's self.  I will try over the next couple of days to refine him into a presentable person.

"In order to move a mountain, one must first be able to move a stone"  Before you look at the bigger things in life try and master the smaller things.  It will prepare you for the grander things to come

"A soul, in its primal state, shows its self in brighter colors than that of the soul in its refined"  A person makes him self darker, but can still change because we all share the common good and bad in all of us.

"A person seeking the truth must be willing to accept what he finds, or he disregaurds the truth for lies to fill his hunger for knowledge"  Self explanatory

"In the eyes of fire, will one see him self"  Fire is taken to be the contrast of ones self.  Only when you see what you are not can you judge your self.  When I acted civil to wanderer and asked for a truce he inturn acted in a similar maner toward me.  This is because people before, killed first asked questions later much like he did.  When I ceased to kill first and asked questions he changed for then he could see him self.

"Evil only exists where there is good" like the one above

[/Note]

*Silversmith leaves hoping his message of peace is recived.  Knowing though that many will still not heed it he fells sorrow that such a thing as forgiveness can not be so easily learned.  With this in his heart he walks off slowly still with hope that many will get the meaning of this letter and those who dont only hold it against him and not the guild he represents.  As an after thought he attaches a ps*

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Member or guild diplomat/contact please contact my diplomat garyth or me personally when on.  It is my hope that this mater can be resolved and that it will in no way reflect upon my guild as it is a personal decision.  The goal of the guild is to errect and run a tavern (not a bar :-)   ).
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Dear innocent Silversmith,

five minutes ago, your little boy Wanderer has
attacked me succesful. I did gave him his dead he wants. I hope he feels better now. I dont react anymore.

Also, Silversmith, I feel sorry for you and your naivity. But a bid I can understand you. This poor boy, youre got under your wings..yes, all hate him....he is a good man....yes..I may understand you....as long as I dont see my interests, yes...If nothing would happen to me at dying, he may do it all day...but it cost MY hard worked skill...so I cannot respect your decision, at no point.

You must take the consequences, for support a person, who insults an attacked our order. I mean it really true, my friend..I dont like it, but sometimes it must happen.

I would let him alive, as long as he does no attack us. I spoke command, that he just should be killed, if he attacks. Thats my part, but now, the command means "Kill under all circumstands. If resistance of third, leave them, concentrate power on object. If thirds attack, strike back". I think that says all......

I told you once, that I dont want war, but now, under this circumstandes, no wisdom, now meditation could help. As long as you support Wanderer, I must declare you as a "Non-attack-Enemy". The danger of Wanderer is too high as that we could give him a chance -It would be the third since he was Wanderer - and I am not willed, to accept an honourless little Everything-what-runs-Killer.

Now I seen, he is ready again. And my heart gets really cold, think of the last time, the disappointment to me...the feeling of helpless...I  cannot describe, Iam a soldier, thinking a soldies way.....

In the end, all I know is, that you make a big, big Failure support him, and that this boy will be the reason, why many, many Players left Illarion, Newbies as Expierenced......

I hope you understand my way of thinking, as I understand yours....
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I partially understand your way of thinking.

But what i do not understand (i belive, no disrespect to you, is because of your poor english construction.  Mine is not so hot either but i have the advatage of being american so i understand it better.) is do you plan to attack on sight or on deed.  This information is a must know.  I am truly sorry for any slander my pupil has caused to your name and i will sing dwarven songs of praise to you when i can.  But i want to know if you attack me or wanderer on sight or when/if he or i intice you.
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please look at www.x-gate.org/dw/

There is the final reason why you should believe me.
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Damn it is darky boys...
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I never did think that you was a liar sturm but i did belive that wanderer was a differnt person.

I will continue to hold out belife that he will keep this char clean he has told me so.  But any time you see that he does not keep his noise clean please tell me.  And thanks sturm for pointing this out.
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Sturm meet me in game please i am on now
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Post by Sturm Feuerklinge »

Expierence shows, that DW/jocas/Wanderer may hav different names, but were still the same player behind...so I dont think anything may change, until he get deleted again....

maybe I would be positive surprised by him........
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You really are pathetic Sturm. I said darkwalker was dead and i meant it. I had all intentions of starting over fresh and clean with my new character until you, yes you, decided to go on and kill my new character for no purpose except for attacking you by accident( go ahead and try and justify killing a newbie, it didn't work for me). The reason i didn't switch my profile was because i am honest and have no reason to fear people knowing its me.

I don't know what your deal is sturm, whether its because you and your cronies are helpless against a player like me, or because your a poor sport when it comes to losing. You piss and moan about me, when you are so low as to post a profile of my characters on this page so people know its me. You truly are a sad, pathetic, and useless creature.

This is a great insult you do on to me, and you, and any others who cross me like this, will pay with the total loss of the skills of their characters unless they apologize.

You may think that my character getting deleted matters but it doesn't. In two days i've managed to train my character to kill you with ease. All the rules in this game also don't seem to matter, i always find a way around them so they benefit me more than hurt me, So go ahead and try and complain to the creators about the unfairness.

You can't begin to imagine how pissed i am right now sturm, but you will when you feel the sharp blade of my sword and the burning heat of my spells. See you in illarion fool!!!!!
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Post by Damien »

NO INSULTS.
Well, Wanderer, you did't introduce to me, but the time when you appeared on the screen matches the message"Wanderer has entered illarion"... And you, well, said "hello" by a nice insulting phrase... well i don't take this joke for mean. Know that kinda humor.
Hey when you play a new character, just don't behave like the old one, and noone would have had the idea it's you.
Let us ALL come to this point : No insults, from anyone, NO ATTACKS, and we all have no problems. As long as you behave normal, noone shall attack you. When you attack, well, all the old stuff will just begin again...
Okay ? And KEEP to the stuff said now. If someone wants to duel with you, they will say so, and you can accept. If you want a duel, then say it. But, just stop insults. One can be harsh, some people are angry with you, not with your character. And some of them really try to come along with you. So just don't ...
well, whom do i tell... make no much sense, i fear he won't understand...
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i have made my judgement on this man and it stands as so i will kill on sight even though this may anger you silver. here is my reason why he said attacking agrismasa was a mistake because he was new correct? well, we have established that he is not new being that he was also darkwalker he was, is, and forever will be a liar, a scoundrel, and the enemy of everything good. I repeat my message I HAVE DECLARED THAT I WILL HUNT THE DOG KNOWN AS DARKWALKER, JOCAS, THE WANDERER, OR WHATEVER FORM HE MAY TAKE ON IN THE FUTURE FOR HE IS EVIL AND EVIL IS VERY RARELY PURIFIED. i might reconsidder if someone could show me distinctive evidence that he has changed, but i doubt it is possible for much like his supposed quest to become good the quest to prove he is good is futile and shall never bear the fruit of victory.
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also i have to say good eye strum for seeing evil and recognising it as darkwalker.
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Now its on me to drop some lines!
First to all friendly Players that don't speak and/or can read german, I apologize! But I will go on in german right now for the things I will say, I don't want to put my energy in translating it for such a boring existence as DW/Joccas/Wanderer, if U are interested, translate it yourself!!!
Also, es ist mir ja eigendlich egal was DW, oder wie auch immer er sich gerade nennen mag, mit erfahrenen Spielern und seinen Bekannten macht! Ich setze dabei voraus, das alle Leute die schon etwas länger in Illarion anwesend sind, ihre eigenen Erfahrungen mit diesem Individuum gemacht haben!!!
Aber diese Sinnlose Zerstörung eines Rollenspiels (und das IST Illarion nun mal) macht mich wütend!
Wanderer, DU langweilst mich!!!!
Es ödet mich an, deine durchsichtigen Versuche das SPIEL zu (zer-)stören immer wieder aufs neue erleben zu müssen!
Hast Du wirklich nichts besseres zu tun?
Wenn Du soviel Spaß daran hast, dann geh ins Battlenet...... Ach aj, da kann man ja nicht so einfach von hinten jemanden umbringen, da hättest DU ja keine Chance, sorry hatte ich vergessen!!!!
Ok, gib Geld aus und Besuche Ultima-Online....... hmmmm, MIST, da sind ja Leute drin, die noch viel schlimmer (und mächtiger) sind als DU es jemals dort werden könntest! Ok, dann dieses halt auch nicht...
Vielleicht Meridian 59?
Oder spiele Rollenspiele mal mit Deinen Freunden (?) und Bekannten, da wärst Du nicht lange Mitglied einer Gruppe, glaube mir!!!!
Wenn es Dir nur darum geht, Schwachstellen des Systems für Dich zu nutzen, dann bin ich der Meinung, dass Du das Prinzip nicht begriffen hast/ nicht begreifen willst oder nicht begreifen kannst!!!
Es geht darum, eine Online Welt aufzubauen! Das ist alles noch in einem Entwicklungsprozess!
Und je mehr Menschen mitspielen, desto eher können Fehler (!) bzw. Ungereimtheiten erkannt und behoben werden.
Natürlich hat auch das "Böse" seinen Platz in so einer Welt! Keine Frage!
Aber DU solltest Dich fragen wo Deine Ziele liegen!
Wenn Du "alle" vergrault hast, bist Du dann glücklicher, so nach dem Motto: "Endlich wieder ein MUD kaputt gemacht!" ?????
Dann sollten die Entwickler meiner Meinung nach wirklich Deinen Charakter löschen und beim kleinsten Anzeichen von Dir rigoros durchgreifen!
Weil das ist weder Spaß noch ist es in irgendeiner Form toll oder lustig!!!
Wie gesagt, DU ödest mich an mit deinem pathetischen Getue!!!
Ich weiss ja nicht wie alt Du bist, aber älter als 15 schätze ich Dich nicht ein, sonst hättest DU ein ernsthaftes Problem und solltest DICH in ärztliche Behandlung begeben!!!
Ich werde mich wahrscheinlich nicht nochmal dazu äußern, also: Beruhig Dich oder Hau ab!!!
(Der Dich bemitleidende) Agrimasa
Ok, if anyone is a friend of DW/anderer and can translate this for him.......do so! If not......doesn't matter at all for me :-)
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While you do not want to translate this for the likes of wanderer would you do it for me.  I am interested in the reactions of the people.
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who is gonna translate it for me? *g*
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hi folks!
I heard from Sturm that he wants to translate it!
Don't want to annoy you!
But its mostly hard Brain-work for me to put it all in english and though my skill is rising :-) I'm not that good at all!!!
So, please wait for Sturm's translation, I hope he find the time to place it here!
With best wishes and knightly greetings
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Greetings honoured friends of both guilds,

as the diplomat of the Order of Grey Light for the tavernkeepers its my responsibility to speak a word of peace in this whole thing.
Those who know me can tell taht I really hate all kind of killing...escpecially the murder of players in the game. I want you...members of both guilds...to keep in mind, that the good relationship between both of us is important for peace itself on Illarion. No evil lurker should get between us and destroy the freindship we share...
I have been away for some days, so i never met Wanderer before, but I can ashure that I will give my life to prevent him from destroying what we all created...

I dont know how someone is able to build a powerfull character like Wanderer in such a short time. Probably he (the player) knows which attributes are important to create a real killer...probably he is just a cheater (which i dont want to believe)

Im concerned about all of Jocas doings...

Please Jocas, just go to Tibia, there are some people like you, who will show you hell on earth...just to learn how it is to be killed...

Illarion is a young world...sometimes boring, because there is not so much to do...take it as a roleplaying-world, because as you perhaps realized, there are no quests, no powerful monsters (ok..the demon is tough..killed me yesterday...;-))...

As i use to tell it big guys in school who torture the younger ones: "find someone stronger and fight him...but go to the highschool of killing...Illarion is just a elementary school in this profession...and we want to keep it like this..."

May the seven Muses bless you all with wisdom

Yours, Taun
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Greetings, friends of the Tavernkeepers

As the diplomat of the Tavernkeepers for the Order of Grey Light I just want to express my total agreement with Taun's words...thats all I can say at the moment, because I also have not met Wanderer yet.
I just want this world to stay as peaceful as it was before such annoying characters like Jocas' appeared...

Hoping for better times...
Yours, Garyth
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This is really annoying the way all of you are behaving.

I will say this once.


IF Wanderer Roleplays the Evilness that we came to despise how can you complain? Thats what you asked for.

Not everyone is perfect, he may be trying or he may be pulling our leg.

You say "DW, Jocas, Wander same person" So what?
You people are the one's that call his new character DarkWalker and Jocas. So who are the guilty ones? If anything YOU created him THIS time.

Wake the hell up and get off his back. I'm not taking his side nor anyones. I am saying this in the interests of roleplaying.

If you have any gripes with me than says so.

If I find anyone attacking Silver (especially) or Wanderer or anyone else no matter who you may be. I will ask you to stop. If you do not then I WILL stop you.

I, Dax the Mercenary will now play a mediator.
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Post by Sturm Feuerklinge »

Again my words in one text:

Jocas/Darkwalker/Wanderer is al liar and blender. Now with the show up of his lies b me, we cannot expect any normal actions of him. If Silversmith supports a Marauder in Spe, I cannot do anything but take him as an enemy. This declaration is based partially on the CODEX which I follow, but it doesnt prevent for such Cases, so I must modify it. It sound logically, to fight the supports of an Marauder, if not, dear Dominus Major, I will excuse, but the life of my Knghts, which were already weakened of the last battle, and the secure of new life stands me a much HIGHER in honour as the little Friendship between you and me, Silver (Iam sorry, but this 2 things are more Important than Friendship :-) Take it easy)

So my point of Standing is clear. I don think, that the actions of Silversmith are without consequenes for his Guild. as long as he was Silver he is a Guilds member. As long as I appear as Sturm Feuerklinge, Iam a Memer of the OGL. And all my actions, ggod or bad, will have affect to the OGL.

So you cannot say, your Guild is not of intrest in this Case. You are a high member of it.(werent you?)

I dont want war or any argument, but some things have more importance as friendship or freedom.

A, I shouldnt forget it: Dax, sexiest Mercenary on Illarion, hold your nose out of this here, I dont want, that any more people would be involved, okay? If not, and youre attacking my people because of that cas, I would be very, very sad....

Honourly Greetings,

Sturm Feuerklinge,

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(Edited by Sturm Feuerklinge at 5:45 pm on April 16, 2001)
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<Sighs feeling defeated>


Very well Storm.

I suppose I will just let you kill eachother. That's whgat you want right?

I know it's not. My point is as stated.

"You fuel the fire that burns within Wanderer. He will not stop until you do, but you will not stop until he does. It is an endless cycle that can only be broken by a stronger one. I will stand aside, for now. You two go play, have fun. When you both growe up and realize it was all pointless I will still be here. Perhaps then we can have a nice intelligent chat without ignorant insults and uncreative thoughts.

I await the day the Wander changes
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Post by Sturm Feuerklinge »

Dear dax,

I didnt wanna express it so rude as it gets to you. I Just want MY freedom and MY quiet existence. MY means in that case me and the mine......

I dont attack...I never attacked....look, yesterday, there ran a Jocas Demon of Light around....and? What did happend? Nothing...Dont think of me, Iam a Barbarian or such...but some fights must be batteled. If somebody supports a thing, that was not acceptable for an community, that was no good. I think that sounds logicly......

And I didnt want to pis you, dax...Iam sorry, but for an english/american, my English is same as your german.

Greetings,

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I don't cheat taun. My training is very simple and Logical. First i get high parry by being surrounded by zombies, once parry is high enough the fun starts. You people may thing I'm some stupid killer who cheats, but everyone of you made me who i am. I cast a few insults, let a few arrows fly "accidentally" in your directions and your all out to kill me. How fast do you think your skills would get if 5 to 6 people were pounding you with their weapoons and casting spells on you. I also don't use brute strength like you fools, i let you cast the field spells and add a few myself and then i push you into them. You stupid fools are the ones that created me like dax said. You insist on calling me darkwalker and Jocas when i tell you I'm not, you are the ones that build my fighting skills, so you are the ones responsible for thrusting a powerful character into the lap of someone out for revenge.

I didn't creat Darkwalker or Wanderer YOU fools did, i just supply the voice and the actions.
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As long as Wanderer does not attack or kill people for no really good reasons, he will not be hunted by the order. But i surely do understand if someone is still angry with him for reducing his skills to nothing. He gave up his former character, because he noticed that he had killed too many, and too often. I accept that he made a new character, and will treat him as a new person, that is roleplay. And necessary. But i was not killed to newbie level... and i will not interfere with anyone. I will totally keep out of this. And the order will keep totally out of this. That does not count for individual order members. And that stays as long as Wanderer does not attack people at will, for low non-roleplay reasons.
To interfere here, would only cause trouble in the order itself, and between the guilds.
The guilds shall stay out of this. A war will not be provoked.
If Wanderer starts to kill (and i hope he will not do this) order members who did not attack, or provoke him in any way, then we will respond together. Same counts for our allies.
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And, another thing, When your arrows fly "accidentally" in the direction of others, don't complain when they attack you. Oh well, must all this stuff be... dammn i hate it... this game becomes sad. I will take a little vacation in it,  i guess.
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Damien ich bitte ich, lies doch mal was dieser hirnlose Zombie geschrieben hat! "I`ll hun you all...." und soweiter.....Es ist nicht mehr tolerierungsfähig. Ich finde es einfach nur stinkfaul, gerade jetzt zu sagen, das sich die Gilden aus diesm Kram rauszuhalten haben.

Ich hätte von dir beinahe ein Disziplinarstrafe bekommen, weil ih eine freche unverschämte echse zurechtgewiesen habe, und da willst du mir erzählen, das man sich da raushalten soll?

Nein, Damien so geht das nicht, nicht in unserer Struktur.

Fakt 1.) Ich denke mir es ja nicht aus, das ich von jemanden namens Wanderer agegriffen wurde.

2.) Mit diesem Fakt ist Wanderer als Feind des ordens anzusehen, alleine des Codex wegen.

3.) Dieser Fakt bezieht sich alleine auf die handlungsweise. Lautes ankündigen von Morddrohungen, sowie der ankündigung, den Orden zu vernichten.

wenn dir das nicht genug ist...naja...dann weiss ich nicht mehr weiter....
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Ok one last word to Wanderer from my side! (in english)
You try a nice way to keep your mind free of guilty!
But that doesn't work, when U try to say that all the others had made you so, then why do you don't interact with us?
I mean other things then calling us ASSHOLES und doging us aside!
I mean tell your Name, think of a new profession and tell us!!!
You would earn some (positive) respect in this way!!!!
I don't expect you to be angellike now, be evil that is ok for me!
But it is still a game and when you start playing unfair, noone in RL will play with you anymore!!!
So why playing unfair in this area?
As it was mentioned before (on one of the Boards), ask for a duell!
If someone don't tell you that he wants to fight with you, why not consider it as a "NO"!
Not everyone is chatting with everybody!!!

Is hiding in the shadow and casting spells from there, a great way to manage the "Insults" that you claim to be the aim of?
Not in my oppinion!
You don't try a serious conversation with us, not even on this board!!!
WHO creats and play a Character????
You say:
"I didn't creat Darkwalker or Wanderer YOU fools did, i just supply the voice and the actions"
THAT IS NOT TRUE AT ALL!!!!
Why do people react in that way or another, it is because of actions YOU start with!!!
So don't try and hide yourself behind some lines that Dax have dropped here before:
"You stupid fools are the ones that created me like dax said."
Oh Wanderer, that is why so many people don't like your way of getting around in Illarion!
The Insults are your way of communication, not mine or Sturms way! (and most other players I have met)
Don't claim yourself innocent, if you are innocent, then why do you still play the game in this way? Its your joy about destroying or making other people angry, that kept you playing this way!
If you like to talk with me ..... ok!
If you just want to throw arrows and Insults around.....then go to hell!!!
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THIS is a game in developing, if you want to destroy it just for fun and make it unattractive for others, then I see no way of positive communication.
I hope that this is not the point you are aiming at!

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Damien
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A plea for your support and a hope for your understanding

Post by Damien »

Richtig Sturm, sobald er dich wiederholt angegriffen hat, oder andere Ordensmitglieder, kriegt er eins von allen drauf. Greift er dich bloß ein - oder zweimal an, ohne dir etwas anhaben zu können, und läßt es dann bleiben... naja. Aber er läßt es ja nicht bleiben... Ehrlich gesagt, er geht mir langsam auf den Geist...
Taun Kahartuum
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A plea for your support and a hope for your understanding

Post by Taun Kahartuum »

Greetings friends of the muses,

im a bit angry about the things happening here. Dont you realize that Wanderer is cutting his bloody blade deep into the growing friendship between both guilds. Sturm and Silversmith, I want you both to calm down and meet to have a relaxed talk about the problems with Wanderer.

I will not sit and watch the lurker destroy faith, trust and peace in this world...

Wanderer, prepare to meet you Nemesis. You know that you cant stand the power of the Seven Muses and excellent swordplay of Taun Kahartuum. Watch and shiver, weakling...

ha...Taun
Kjallha
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Joined: Fri Apr 06, 2001 2:07 pm

A plea for your support and a hope for your understanding

Post by Kjallha »

<Just grins reading the last message>

This will prove quite interesting. I have never seen you like this Taun.

I hope it shall be a good and fair challenge "as much as possible"
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