For the attention of Lennier of the Rose

Aristeaus · Post by **Aristeaus** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:31 pm

Lennier

A request your presence within the neutral grounds of Vanima to meet. I shall be within the elven city this night when the suns shadow touches the well of trollsbane...

Ari§teaus
Lord of Varshikar

(( Tonight, 20:00 GMT uk time 21:00 German time ))

Shandariel el Lysanthrai · Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:36 pm

Do we elves know that you will have meetings in our town? Did you ask the elders before you decided that? I hope you did, or it would be an unbelievable impertinence.

~Shandariel el Lysanthrai~

Aristeaus · Post by **Aristeaus** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:42 pm

Shandariel, let your elders protest. Your word means little.

The meeting stands.

Ari§teaus
Lord of Varshikar

Shandariel el Lysanthrai · Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:45 pm

The words of an elfess of Vanima counts in Vanima more than the word of an impertinence and impudent Lord of the north.

It is the elven land, and your word counts nothing there, and you have no right to make such desicions without asking an elder first.

The meeting don't stands until an elder gave you the allowness. And your impertinence, which is already an insult against the free town and land of Vanima, should not be forgotten. Deciding meetings on our land and the use of it without asking or respecting the elves is not just an insult, it is also a proof for very poor political abilitys of a so called Lord.

~Shandariel el Lysanthrai~

Aristeaus · Post by **Aristeaus** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:51 pm

Due to the protests of Shandariel whom i gather speaks for the elven community of Gobaith, the meeting is cancelled and the wall which stands between the lands of the north and the south shall grow.

Ari§teaus
Lord of Varshikar

Caitlin Fergus · Post by **Caitlin Fergus** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:55 pm

Don't let yourself be scared away so easily, Aristeaus. The choices of words from both of you could have been more considerately.

If you need a neutral ground, Aristeaus, I gladly offer you the house of the druids.

Caitlin Fergus
Medico
Leader of the Druids of the Forest

Shandariel el Lysanthrai · Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:55 pm

And now you are in a huffed. Grow adult, Lord Aristeaus. And learn your profession which is the art of politic. This way you won't be able to lead a land.

I will give you a little help, my dear Lord.

You demand taxes of us elves or want us to ask for allowness before we enter your land. But now you simply decide without asking or respecting us elves and our free land to have meetings there with other townpeoples.

You simply showed lack of political abilitys with that. Ask our Elders, respect our free town and us free elves and you may get the allowness to use the ground of the elves for your political affairs. That would be the procedure of a smart and skilled leader.

~Shandariel el Lysanthrai~

Aragon · Post by **Aragon** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 2:01 pm

I also offer the temple of Malachin down under the Grey Rose castle as a neutral place for your talkings. It is outside the territory of the town.

Aragon ben Galwan
Grandmaster of the Grey Rose
Priest of Malachin

Shandariel el Lysanthrai · Tue Jul 05, 2005 2:02 pm

But it is propery of the Grey Rose Castle, and Aristeaus want to discuss on a neutral ground with Lennier, from the grey Rose. So I fear that wouldn't fit much, dear Aragon.

~Shandariel el Lysanthrai~

Misjilah · Post by **Misjilah** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 2:04 pm

Aristeaus does not request taxes from the noble elves Shandariel. Only from the people of Troll's Bane. There is a grave difference between our two cities.

~Misjilah~

Shandariel el Lysanthrai · Tue Jul 05, 2005 2:06 pm

That is wrong unknown Misjilah. The demand of taxes, or aksing for a travel allowness, was directed to everyone who isn't citizen of Varshikar.So it is not just Trolls Bane, but also Greensbriar and Vanima. We elves of Vanima are not allowed to travel their land without asking first, or paying taxes.

~Shandariel el Lysanthrai~

Misjilah · Post by **Misjilah** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 2:09 pm

Than you are just foolish, for it is not so. Moskher, and therefor mister Aristeaus, only brought it back for Troll's Bane. The last time I was in Varshikar for business, they let me pass without taxes or anything. Maybe you are just disliked, my noble elven sister.

~Misjilah~

Lennier · Post by **Lennier** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 2:10 pm

Aristeaus, good to hear of you.

We also can meet us near the harbor. There we can search for an good place to discuss.

------------
Lennier
Earl of the Grey Rose
Councilor of Troll`s Bane

Caitlin Fergus · Post by **Caitlin Fergus** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 2:13 pm

Caitlin writes a part of the announcement of Moskher under Misjilahs parchment:

Also, we reclaim the right to tax all citizens of Trollsbane who enter Varshikari territory unlawfully just as non-citizens were previously taxed. The cost of such a tax is currently being negotiated.

All those, non-citizens of Varshikar and citizens of Trollsbane, who are caught stealing the precious resources of our City-State and the surrounding Varshikari territory will be punished. The way in which they are punished will be up to the House of Our Sovereign Lord.

Shandariel el Lysanthrai · Tue Jul 05, 2005 2:18 pm

Thank you Caitlin. As you can read, Misjilah, the rule of taxes and trespassing involves every non-citizen and Trolls Bane citizen. That means it affects everyone who isn't citizen of Varshikar, if you didn't understand this now. Who is foolish now? Inform yourself first before you attack others with insults.

I think you wasn't taxed because you are perhaps a good friend of Varshikar, and NO member of the elven community. If you would be a real elfess you would see the impertinence of the Lord of the North against us elves of Vanima. Tell me, are you a real elfess?. Or does your elven heart feels more connected with Varshikar?

The quintessence of this whole discussion is that the Lord of Varshikar should have asked an elder of Vanima for allowness, before he uses our land and our home for his own affairs. That is all.

~Shandariel el Lysanthrai~

Durin Silberbart · Post by **Durin Silberbart** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 2:58 pm

What about the dwarfes? Shall we pay for a travel on a land was the dwarfs explored long before other races appear? This is unbelievably....

Durin Silberbart
Royal Treasurer And Yard Smith
Officially Supplyer of the Grey Rose

Djironnyma · Post by **Djironnyma** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 3:30 pm

Greetings Lord Aristeaus, greetings Earl Lennier,
ourer ground is free for all peaceful meetings. But we will find it better, if you inform us next time before you plan diplomatic meetings in Vanima. To show my respect to your two groups and your willing of peaceful agreements i will receipted you personally.

Respectfully, Elder Djironnyma of the Elves

Moathia · Post by **Moathia** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 5:29 pm

Indeed, the lord of Varshikar may find a more welcome reception if he infact chose to inform us that he was going to have a meeting in our home. I am sure if I decided to have a meeting in his bedroom, without much notice, he would be very upset. Further more, I shall be also be in attendance, and all weapons shall be confiscated from the Trollsbane, and Varshikari delegates and bodyguards, and I would also request that if people do not have an offical purpose at this meeting, that they do not attend.

Elder, Priestess Moathia Nethiala

Aristeaus · Post by **Aristeaus** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 5:32 pm

Perhaps you mis-read, the meeting no longer takes place upon the elven isle.

Ari§teaus
Lord of Varshikar

Shandariel el Lysanthrai · Tue Jul 05, 2005 5:39 pm

So the Lord and sovereign of the North is still in a huffed like a little child who got a cuff on his rashly fingers. Not very professional.

Seriously Aristeaus, step down from your clouds and become normal again, and think with a calm and clear mind and stop pouting.

~Shandariel el Lysanthrai~

Aristeaus · Post by **Aristeaus** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 5:42 pm

The meeting is allready arranged, and those to attend have thier invites. Please Shandariel, do not assume anything. Huffed like a child, interesting words. No Shandariel not huffed, busy. I have not time to play your childish games, so i moved the event elsewhere.

Ari§teaus
Lord of Varshikar

Shandariel el Lysanthrai · Tue Jul 05, 2005 5:46 pm

Childish games? You call critisiscm at your ability to reign proficient childish games? You are losing control my dear Aristeaus. My advice is sit down, breath and try to meditate.

No good desicion may grow out of overhasted meetings and agreements. You wrote you have no time, you are busy, but you can't be ever too busy to overthink your doings. Instead of hurrying to the next possible meetingspot you should have taken time for your thoughts and desicions.

A good leader have to stay calm, and take his time for his desicions. A good leader must be deliberately.

~Shandariel el Lysanthrai~

Quinasa · Post by **Quinasa** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 6:27 pm

I think the term "childish games" was well used in referance to your attitude Shandariel. My husband graciously found another place to hold the meeting and you're still trying to antagonize him and provoke him. Stop trying to make yourself look better by making my husband look foolish, it only makes you look less intelligent.

And stop referring to him as "my dear Aristeaus". He belongs to me, he is one hundred percent mine. If he is so dear to you then you wouldn't be chasing after him making him write post after senseless post just appease your childish whims. He is a busy man and really has no time to try and make you happy and yet he does because tho' you continue to taunt and provoke him he does not want to offend the other elves of Tol Vanima. The topic is settled. The meeting is arranged in another place and all apologies go out to the other elves who were offended in assumptions.

-s-
Qµinasa, Lady of Varshikar
Councilor of the Farmer's Union

Shandariel el Lysanthrai · Tue Jul 05, 2005 6:31 pm

Very sweet of you Quinasa, very sweet. But not close to truth. That all is a very sad thing. I just try to help, and speak calmly with you and others. Your accusations are really sad. Why starting like that? And not stay calm and serious? You overreacted.

And by the way, until now he wrote no apologise, not with his words. And it don't looks like he is sorry for it. You seem to oversee that this all was a starting fault by him and his following irreverent words against a member of the land he insulted. But it is just normal that you try to protect him.

Oh, and Quinasa, I am really sorry to say that, but your letter sounds like the letter of a child defending its daddy or someone else important. Try to stay adult with your thoughts and mind.

~Shandariel el Lysanthrai~

Misjilah · Post by **Misjilah** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 7:35 pm

Shandariel, speak bad about me, and I can live with it. But you are wrong in trying to provoke others. You are wrong in your accusations, and you are wrong in the generalness of your words. Please reconsider if you speak that way, it shall not be perceived well, nor shall people enjoy it if you do it.

And you could have first spoken to your elders about it, or let your elders respond. They are qualified, and know more about this, then you ever will.

~Misjilah~

Shandariel el Lysanthrai · Tue Jul 05, 2005 7:47 pm

What gives you the right, ability or qualification to write that, here, today? You are new to the isle, you are no member of Varshikar, no member of the elven town. Just the relationship of once a traitor to the elven kind. And you give yourself the qualification and right to write such words? I disbelieve that.

I was no good friend to Misjbar, because he disliked other races and peoples and because he was a whorshipper of the darkness, and I don't think I will be good friend with you, if I consider your words here. You are not much other than Misjbar.

And I know my elders and the elven home in which I life good enough to know that they won't like it to see how someone uses our land for his own affairs without asking us first. But that you don't understand that don't surprises me much.

~Shandariel el Lysanthrai~

Misjilah · Post by **Misjilah** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 7:54 pm

It was people like you that gave him his arrogance. People like you who gave him his secludeness. I do seriously think you are one of the major causes my brother has taken the wrong path, and I do hold that against you. And your lover, miss Moathia, according to my brother's letters, is even worse.

I shall be no good friend to you, no, because of the words you write here. You say that my brother dislikes other races and people, well, you do the same missy. Maybe you have spent too much time with my brother. Or maybe you already were this way, poisonous in your words, as you have accused me before.

~Misjilah~

Shandariel el Lysanthrai · Tue Jul 05, 2005 8:02 pm

Misjbar was already an non-elf hating man before we met. The first meetings with him I was friendly and nice, but he had just words full of bitterness. Because I was also nice to nonelves. He didn't like that, he had the opinion every nonelf isn't worth a bit. Seems he lied to you in his letters, would fit to him. I tried to be friend to him, but there was no chance, his hate was too huge. He had many chances, but he misused them.

And that your brother, a wellknown whorshipper of Moshran, didn't liked Moathia,a Priestess of Elara and Sirani, much is no surprise. Especially because she is an respected elder of the elven community. And Misjbar was a traitor of the elves.

And to say I dislike other races and peoples is a big lie and proofs how foolish your words and tries to argue are. everyone who knows me just a bit can see that. And with your last words you just proof that it is useless to continue discussion with you, because a serious discussion isn't possible.

Try to find back to a calm and clear mind, and think about your letters before you wrote.

~Shandariel el Lysanthrai~

Garett Gwenour · Post by **Garett Gwenour** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 2:51 am

You wrote alot Shandariel. You wrote so much it would look as if you were trying to gain fame and publicity by being so out-spoken. Perhaps you are aiming for an Elder position in your community. But you should know this that a follower should not speak up until their leader(s) speaks up. Otherwise mixed signals are shown, as they are shown by you writing before Moathia or Djironnyma.

Stephen Rothman
First Knight of Kallahorn

Sima L. Séregon · Post by **Sima L. Séregon** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 8:08 am

What are you doing here? What is the matter? Please stop writing such provocative sentences!

It is so easy to write against someone without trying to understand the context.

All of you wrote against Shandariel, but no one tried to understand her point of view.

You all have truths in your sentences, but in addition you all have untruths, too.

Please, don't combat!