Ice Flames

Moathia · Post by **Moathia** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 10:08 pm

They should be disabled untill they are fixed, I'm sick of the server crashing because some mage is off practising.

Nilo · Post by **Nilo** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 10:09 pm

That's not why its down right now, is it?

Well I dont think we should disable them.. they are mage's last defense...

Moathia · Post by **Moathia** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 10:10 pm

Yes it is, unless it just happened to crash after somone used the ice flame.

Yeah, but it makes the bloody server crash which means they smile up the game for EVERYONE else.

Thalodos Artemetus · Post by **Thalodos Artemetus** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 10:12 pm

Any idea how long it will take to get back online? The server that is

Moathia · Post by **Moathia** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 10:13 pm

10 mins - 24 hours.

Nilo · Post by **Nilo** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 10:13 pm

heh guess what! It wasn't me this time!!! Although one of my characters was online.. ya still cant blame me!

Anyway... I dont think ice flames should be taken out...

Pendar · Post by **Pendar** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 10:14 pm

I must agree with nilo, were as the server crashing is a pain. Especially as I had just wasted so much time down a mine and now with a roll back gah!,,skills are boring anyway.
If we disable ice flames we pretty much need to disable combat, As an iceflames appears to be many mages equivolent of an axe.
Still no doubt it is being worked on and we should see a solution soon.
Hopefully
pendar

Thalodos Artemetus · Post by **Thalodos Artemetus** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 10:14 pm

Moathia wrote:10 mins - 24 hours.

Here's hoping for 10 mins *crosses his fingers*

Moathia · Post by **Moathia** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 10:15 pm

Why not? Do you like ruining the game for other people? Because that what happens when you cast them.

Nilo · Post by **Nilo** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 10:16 pm

Two ingots says it's over an hour.

Post by **Nitram** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 10:17 pm

I think it was me...Galim walked into my flame...

but i don't think the ice flames should be disabled...they are the strongest attack of the mages.

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 10:18 pm

I don't walked into your flame, Marie did.

And please tell me, which use has an ice flame for defense when every time you cast it the game crashes for perhaps hours and destroys everyones fun?

Moathia · Post by **Moathia** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 10:19 pm

However if someone walks into them, the server fucking crashes!!!!! meaning no one can play and if they are not disabled, everytime a mage gets into trouble, bam! No one else can play.

Thalodos Artemetus · Post by **Thalodos Artemetus** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 10:25 pm

you owe me two ingots nilo

Brendan Mason · Post by **Brendan Mason** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 10:27 pm

The flames should be disabled for the time being. This game is in it's alpha stages. If something doesn't work in a satisfactory manner, just remove it until it does. Roleplay your way around it. I don't see why people even use the blue flame if they are roleplaying properly. They presumeably know it will cause the server to crash, yet will crash it, presumeably to save face, or just to get a dig at the other player.

If they were actually roleplaying, as opposed to hack/slashing, they would roleplay the battle with different spells.

Just, for the love of God, take it out for the time being.

Arkadia Misella · Post by **Arkadia Misella** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 10:36 pm

I agree with Moathia. What good is a last defense if it freezes the game?

Post by **Nitram** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 11:40 pm

The server only crashes when a Character of an real player, get into the flame. And then only sometimes. Not always.

But if the iceflame would be disabled, the mages hardly can defend them selfs.

Nilo · Post by **Nilo** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 1:41 am

Arrrg!

Nilo runs away so he won't have to pay up

Moathia · Post by **Moathia** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 3:33 am

I've not seen it not happen recently.

It has to be disabled untill it is fixed. Do you think I don't have character that will suffer for this.

Don't be so bloody selfish, your main argument against it is that you wont be as powerful. My main argument for it is that if it crashes the server, it ruins the game for everyone and so should be disabled for a little while so it can be fixed faster and wont disrupt the game for everyone else.

Athian · Post by **Athian** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 4:02 am

i hadn't noticed anything. but i guess that because i cast an ice fire perhaps twice a month. either way if it's crashing the game disable it. As to ruining the playilibty of mages, ever think people rely to heavily on ice flame. just like they rely to heavily on double axes. but thats a porblem for a later date.

falco1029 · Post by **falco1029** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 6:26 am

maybe it's because fire is so damned weak. I want to know why they made it like that....

Arkadia Misella · Post by **Arkadia Misella** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 6:33 am

Im sure Athian can show just how "weak" fire can be.

Nilo · Post by **Nilo** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 6:58 am

yeah.. fires not weak if you have good skill in it, however, skill is hard to come by in magic... it takes many mana potions...

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 10:53 am

the difference between iceflame and fire flame is just the damage you get standing in it. the dame you get when you got hit by it is the same, when you have the same skills in the runes.

a really good mage is able to cast two flames in a row, that will kill as good as everything.

Jeremy Gems Willowbrook · Sun Mar 27, 2005 12:19 pm

Personally I dont think it is the Ice flames that are crashing the server. I cast them quite frequently to dispose of ogres and have never crashed the server.
It is more likely to be sheer volume of processing that the server has to do at certain times. For example the recent fire in the Silverstar shop....no ice flames in sight...but lots of normal flame and the server crashed.
Too many trees could also cause a problem as the server has to keep track of all of them. Regrow them, replace fruit, etc.
During big battles Ice flames are cast a lot but it is probably the amount of activity that crashes the server rather than the fact it is ice flame that is being used.

So basically we need the new server.
Donate for the server now!

Moathia · Post by **Moathia** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 12:59 pm

So it was just coincedence, that whenever the server has gone down with ym online, someone had cast an iceflame on a character?

Jeremy read the whole topic before commenting, we have already said that it only happens when a PO walks into the flame.

Last night there was 9 people online, and one ice flame, PO Marie walked into it, and down goes the server.

The last time it happened, with my around, it was Kaja vs Marius, in a duel, and bam Kaja casts one and the server goes down.

The time before that, the attack on the skull cave, ice flames were cast, then bam down goes the server during the battle, in which the towns folk were getting thier butts handed to them. Then is some magical rp when theserver comes back up, change thier whole pan because they don't want to die.

Back on topic.

It happens enough to cause problems to my rp and other peoples and should be disabled for the time being.

Post by **Nitram** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 1:11 pm

The iceflames crashes the server, sometimes, if a death char fly into a iceflame.

Kidarien Rysdale · Post by **Kidarien Rysdale** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 4:18 pm

I think they should find out exactly what it is about the ice flames that are causing the server to crash and mod that bit, but yes until then either increase the damage of another spell to the equivalent of an Ice Flame or disable it until they can fix it.

Bloodhearte · Post by **Bloodhearte** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 6:51 pm

Skill? In fire?

I'm pretty sure any 7 foot inferno is sure to kill anybody who directly steps into it, regardless of "skill..."

Jeremy Gems Willowbrook · Sun Mar 27, 2005 7:14 pm

At the risk of getting my head bitten off again....
I agree with Kidarien. Exactly what causes the crash needs to be ascertained. And dont rule out any possibility.

Does it crash when the flame is cast on a PC?
Or just when walked into?
Or only when it causes death?
Does it ever happen with normal flame?
Does it crash at times when no ice flame is cast?

Ice flaming PC's does not always crash the server. Maybe it is just death by ice flame. Or maybe a combination of effects/events.

Use this opportunity to get EVERYONE who was online at the time to give a report of EXACTLY what they were doing and what they saw. Do this EVERY time the server crashes and a pattern might emerge.
GM's dont have time to test every possibility, which is where we come in. I am NOT suggesting deliberately trying to crash the server just everyone post a report in a technical thread when a crash happens.

Lets help the staff to fix the problem by providing information they can use to reproduce/trace this bug. If you disable the ice flame you wont be able to gain that information. I know it is a pain when the server crashes but everyone is in the same boat. Work around it. The sooner it is fixed the better for everyone.