Walls, fires in forest ....

Telwathion · Post by **Telwathion** » Sun Jun 16, 2002 9:41 pm

i think there must be a possibility to break walls, walls of prison, houses and so on.
and the forests should be burned, when somebody makes to many camp fires in the forest. and make off fire with water.
and why isen't it posibly to build houses of wood or stone? isen't it a free land?
and most people alway shovel at one field, there must be a big tunnel, after so many coal and ore was taken.

Juliana · Post by **Juliana** » Sun Jun 16, 2002 10:01 pm

Hmm. Many of your ideas are already mentioned in other threads.
There will be a tunnel for mining in the next version, I think and there'll be the possibility to build houses. But not in the way you think. It'll be as now that you pray to the gods and they will build a house for you if you have enough money.

To the other ideas.
Why should the forest burn if somebody made a fire? That's not really realistic. A wood could burn if somebody used fire magic. A camp fire is much too small to burn a whole wood. If this would be implemented what I don't believe you would also have to pay attention to cut down woods which doesn't burn.
The last point of you. A prison is a prison because you can't leave it or you only can leave it with very much luck and problems. If you could raze the walls of a prison it wouldn't be a prison anymore. That's the same for houses and walls. You wouldn't need houses or walls anymore if you could simply break a wall.

Telwathion · Post by **Telwathion** » Sun Jun 16, 2002 10:34 pm

then take a hammer and go to the next wall and have a try.
if the wall don't break take a bigger hammer and slash harder, till the wall breaks.
u can try it or believe me, every wall could be demaged, like the wall around Berlin.
if there enough people, strong people, they could demage a hole house, prosion, everything.

and the houses, try to cut some trees and try to built a house, u will see, it is posible.

and then take a shovel and u will see, what happens, if u move the ground.

Manes · Post by **Manes** » Mon Jun 17, 2002 2:52 am

When houses can be destroy, who will buy one?
Only a few persons have to union and its posible for those people to destroy your house as a joke.
And believe me, if the possibilty consist,that houses can be demolish, it would be give enough persons which arrival to demolish your property. And the only cause for them is to enjoy about you.

Ashag · Post by **Ashag** » Mon Jun 17, 2002 11:21 am

well if somebody was distroying an house it would take 1hour and evryone in illarion would get a text like this people are distroying (name of house) and you would need atleast ten people too be able too distroy it in one hour. And i dont think enyone would like too stand there in an hour not bieng able too defend himself

Telwathion · Post by **Telwathion** » Mon Jun 17, 2002 11:46 am

Ashag, i can bring the 10 players, standing one hour at the wall, fithing against it, and if the time is right, it isn't nescessery to defend himself, because there are to less people online.

Wolin · Post by **Wolin** » Mon Jun 17, 2002 1:10 pm

That's the point. If there are enough people online it's no problem. If everybody can build a house the problem is that there is not enough place for everyone who wants to build it.

But anyway, I think it should be possible to destroy some kinds of buildings. But there aren't different kinds in the moment. Perhaps there will be wooden houses or walls around the town. and not very strong walls for the houses of the inhabitants of the town. Mayby you can destroy then the wooden House in an hour, or the stone House in 10 hours, but there have to be npc-Guards then and they will attack everyone who attacks other buildings or players.

If a player dies, because he is attacked outside of the town walls, he should leave for example his inventory, because a ghost can't carry things. So in the forests or in the dessert could be criminals which kill other players or destroy buildings but in the town you are safe, especially the newbies. And everyone who becomes a criminal can be caught by guards or other players.

But it would take years to develop this, so it maybe nevr developed

Telwathion · Post by **Telwathion** » Mon Jun 17, 2002 1:48 pm

and if u die u got to cross and are at life. i am agianst so many crosses, it exist 3 crosses, but if there was only one cross, far away of city and any dangers, that would good for role playing.

Juliana · Post by **Juliana** » Mon Jun 17, 2002 3:15 pm

There already was such a discussion about how far the cross should be away from town. The result was that nothing will be changed.

(Edited by Juliana at 10:44 pm on June 17, 2002)

Khanor Faenohan · Post by **Khanor Faenohan** » Mon Jun 17, 2002 8:12 pm

#me thinks of what would happen if these ideas were incorporated into the game and shivers.

If these were put into the game, almost every single building would be in ruins, and all the forests would constantly be on fire, think about it, wouldn't it make the game less playable, most probably less enjoyable and cause even more arguments than there are already? Or is that what you want to happen?

Telwathion · Post by **Telwathion** » Mon Jun 17, 2002 11:12 pm

i thought about that too, it were possible to burn it down, the houses would like ruins, but then some guilds would work, like the grey rose, grey light .... i don't know all their names.
until now i allways saw new guilds but they didn't do anything for all, like protecting city and thats why some guilds exist.

Gandela · Post by **Gandela** » Thu Jun 20, 2002 7:12 am

hmmm der theard ist in english hab deswegen nicht alles lesen könn nur soviel wenn zum jetziegen zeit punkt wälder brennen können un gebäude zerstört werden können haben wir dank schlechter rollenspieler in kürzister zeit weder häuser noch bäume... einzig überlegenswert wäre ob wenn ein feuer ausbricht von den bäumen nur noch dies tümpfe stehen sie also wie gefällt und nach kurzer zeit wieder da sind.....
übersetzung*?*

Telwathion · Post by **Telwathion** » Thu Jun 20, 2002 11:15 am

Gandela so in etwa denke ich mir das auch, nur dass es dann etwas länger dauern sollte, bis die bäume wieder nachwachsen, als strafmaßnahme für unachtsamkeit. ich halte das nämlich auch für schlechtes rollenspiel, wenn man über den gesamten waldboden verteilt lagerfeuer anzündet, nicht darauf aufpasst, weil doch nichts passiert, nur weil das technisch nicht umgesetzt wird.
andere spieler würden sich dann viel mehr darum kümmern, dass gerade wegs sowas nicht gemacht wird, die jetzt selbst noch so feuer anzünden.

Juliana · Post by **Juliana** » Fri Jun 21, 2002 8:43 pm

Und was ist mit denen, die sich einen Spaß daraus machen den Wald anzuzünden? Du sagst, dass sich dann andere Spieler mehr darum kümmern würden. D.h., die rennen dann die ganze Zeit durch die Gegend (bzw. Wald) und versuchen irgendwelche Leute, die gerne "bad boy" spielen wollen, davon abzuhalten den Wald abzufackeln. Nebenbei wäre das nur die Holzfäller, da nur sie das Holz abbauen.
==> Geichzeitig Waldbrand verhindern und arbeiten? Meiner Meinung nach geht das nicht. Ein Kompromiss wäre vielleicht, dass man sagt, dass nicht der ganze Wald abbrennt, sondern nur ein Stück begrenzten Umfangs. Dann hättest du deinen Realismus, und die Holzfäller müssten nicht die ganze Zeit auf Brandstifter achten.

If someone wants that I translate the text I'll do it.

Telwathion · Post by **Telwathion** » Sat Jun 22, 2002 1:29 am

die holzfäller arbeiten ganz brav, wenn der wald aber abbrennt, mutwillig verbrannt wird, dann erhöhen die holzfäller die preise, weil der rohstoff knapper wird. folge, die abnehmer von holz sorgen für schutz, der günstiger angeboten werden kann.
das ganze auf eine große fläche zu beschrenken halte zwar für keine so gute idee, aber ein versuch ist es dennoch wert.

Setherioth · Post by **Setherioth** » Wed Jul 10, 2002 12:57 am

there's an important part you missed in the whole lots of palyers and time required to do wall bashing...Why would you want to??? There are no walls in illarion that i know that acually block something. All the walls have doorways that lead to the other side. And the house thing idea. People shouldn't be able to build them for free...do house in RL get built for free? Nope.

Telwathion · Post by **Telwathion** » Wed Jul 10, 2002 6:10 pm

if u see that some people make hundrets of camp fires in the forrest, i ask u, what will hapen if one man makes hundrets of fires in a forrest? and look to usa and report me what happened there. thouthands of miles burned down of one small camp fire.
hole citys got destroied.
and what about the walls.
sure there are many doorways, look at the workshop, it got destroied, now it hast to rebuilt, but for what price? how many people want it to rebuilt? i know some, not many. do u collect money for rebuilt it?

Kaleyka · Post by **Kaleyka** » Thu Jul 18, 2002 11:13 pm

How DO you pray to the gods OOC for them to build you a house anyway?

Hyssena · Post by **Hyssena** » Thu Jul 18, 2002 11:19 pm

I suggest, after the initial opening invocation, that you light some sandalwood and begin the fourth sacred chant of the calling. This is where the goat comes in...

Try emailing them. :biggrin:

(post-edit: I was so caught up in making a joke, I forgot something obvious. DON'T try to email them, I'm sure they get enough email as it is, and the creation of personal houses and such seems to have been put on hold for a while.)

(Edited by Hyssena at 11:26 pm on July 18, 2002)

Chyan Guo Messenger · Post by **Chyan Guo Messenger** » Fri Jul 19, 2002 1:30 am

i think the cross is alive......

maybe they can hear you when you talk to them.....

anyone get the strange feeling that cross is somehow watching you?
im serious.... it cant move... but, maybe bror is that cross..... ???

(Edited by Chyan Guo Messenger at 7:31 am on July 19, 2002)