Concerning the update/Wegen des updates

martin · Post by **martin** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 8:50 pm

We just want to inform you that Eliza and Sam will close their shops until tomorrow morning (CET).

Wegen des updates muessen Eliza und Sam ihr Geschaeft bis voraussichtlich morgen Frueh (MEZ) schliessen.

Martin, for the staff

Alexana Seferi · Post by **Alexana Seferi** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 11:23 pm

Hier möchte ich ein Lob vergeben.
Tolle sache das sich Eliza und Sam nun bewegen können.
Echt schön. Nun kann sich Eliza auch mal die Beine vertreten

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Aber warum Silberbarren? Lösen die die Goldbarren ab?

gez:
Alexana Seferi

Nilo · Post by **Nilo** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 11:30 pm

Hey why is the mana all different now? It refills SOOOOO slow!

It barely even comes back! Even when wearing no armour! Is this a bug?? or did you make it like this on purpose?

Cassandra Fjurin · Post by **Cassandra Fjurin** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 1:02 am

Its not a bug ist a feature

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there are some changes in the balancing of some things. So dont wonder.

Nilo · Post by **Nilo** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 1:40 am

Well, why does it take SOooooOO long for the mana and health to come back?? even when wearing the special rings, and no armour! Arg it takes sooo long!

Darlok · Post by **Darlok** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 1:58 am

[...] even when wearing the special rings [...]

What makes you that certain that you got the right rings?
And you have to look at the other point of view.

The old regeneration rate of Mana and Health
made potions and spells almost useless
compared to the damage you sometimes deal with the new fighting calculations.

A good step ahead.

P.S.:
Do me a favour and edit your post.
You are blasting the screen with you unmature spelling of the word "so".

Nilo · Post by **Nilo** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 2:13 am

What makes you that certain that you got the right rings?

Blue = mana , red = health. Thats what ive always heard anyway, and it makes sense.

made potions and spells almost useless

Not quite, i still use them...

Arkadia Misella · Post by **Arkadia Misella** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 2:21 am

Well...after the first change in the magic system I felt that all the spell casters were getting screwed royally. Then tehy balanced it out themselves by abusing the paralyzing spell. Then they changed that...now it takes longer to refill mana? I think from here on out I shall make all my new characters fighters or jsut characters Im not worried about fighting with....seems spell casting is getting to the point of being rediculois and even if you get decent at it, you still suck like hell.

Drogla · Post by **Drogla** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 2:23 am

with extremely slow mana regeneration, spells should cost less mana. That is fair

Cassandra Fjurin · Post by **Cassandra Fjurin** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 2:26 am

As i said it there are some things in the balancing changed. And balancing is a realy hard act. And there would be other changes in the future which made it harder for fighters. So calm down and wait. Time will tell.

Arkadia Misella · Post by **Arkadia Misella** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 2:27 am

Spells should not cost much mana...and should do not that much damage....Unless the paralyze spell is abused a spellcaster has a very large problem defeating any warrior....but oh course the paralyze spell sucks now too not only because of alterations but because the fact that so many people have powergammed the hell out of their magic resistance.

Darlok · Post by **Darlok** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 2:27 am

Mana consumption is calculated from own character skill and the defense of the target, plus several other unknown values.
So it fully depends on you, how effective you can cast.

Just make sure you have some potions with you and everything is fine.

On the other hand, I have the strong feeling that potions will change in the near future too.
Giving you only a regeneration boost and no instant refill.

Edit:
Ark, if you have the feeling someone powergames, drop a GM a note with the !gm command.

Arkadia Misella · Post by **Arkadia Misella** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 2:28 am

Quickly then...all you magic users to arms and start hitting on those skeletons for hours on end or you will have no chance of survival!
I've stopped all contact with Gms about such things. Why? Because anytime I ever wrote a thing in the email,. I never even know if they get the letter, let alone if anything is ever done. I constantly aam seeing things in game that sadden me beyond all belief. If I were to use the !gm feature, I would be bitched at for bothering them non-stop even though I find it a decent reason. Also I ahve completely lost faith in all gms that work with the games rp. The few good ones are either gone or hide in the shadows and if they do any good, we never know of it. And then there are the few who make rediculous decisions....hmm..well, like lets say...Demanding the skulls give up the lands up north to Ultoris for no damn rp reason whatsoever. Stuff like that has tired me. I miss Twania. I miss Serpardum. I miss Kiekan.

Athian · Post by **Athian** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 3:21 am

i'm gonna have to agree on this one partly, the mana regeneration isn't just slow it's horrible, with an empty mana bar it would literally take me the same amount of time to refill as it would a fly killing an expert warrior wearing plate mail. i can understand slowing it a bit but it's a bit abusrd to have it that slow. if possible maybe one of the Gm's might check it out personally for comparisons sake anyway. *shrug*

Cassandra Fjurin · Post by **Cassandra Fjurin** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 3:28 am

Arkadia Misella wrote:Quickly then...all you magic users to arms and start hitting on those skeletons for hours on end or you will have no chance of survival!
I've stopped all contact with Gms about such things. Why? Because anytime I ever wrote a thing in the email,. I never even know if they get the letter, let alone if anything is ever done. I constantly aam seeing things in game that sadden me beyond all belief. If I were to use the !gm feature, I would be bitched at for bothering them non-stop even though I find it a decent reason. Also I ahve completely lost faith in all gms that work with the games rp. The few good ones are either gone or hide in the shadows and if they do any good, we never know of it. And then there are the few who make rediculous decisions....hmm..well, like lets say...Demanding the skulls give up the lands up north to Ultoris for no damn rp reason whatsoever. Stuff like that has tired me. I miss Twania. I miss Serpardum. I miss Kiekan.

this Post builds me really up.

Nilo · Post by **Nilo** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 3:45 am

Well, there are so many changes going underway, that it just gets on my nerves a bit....

Some changes are good: For instance, Eliza and Sam walking around. That makes it much more lifelike, and realistic. (i like those comments from Eliza

)

On the other hand, this thing where it makes the mana go VERY slow is ridiculous. It takes about 5 minutes to fill back up, and that is way too slow!!!! Maybe you can slow it down a bit. It would even be better if it went half as fast as it went. But NOW its going about 1/8 as fast as it used to!

I'm not saying I dislike the Gm's however, for I like quite a few of them currently. However, I just wish that the mana thing would go back to normal, And maybe even make paralyze not as effective, to balance things out. It does get ridiculous when people log out when somone paralyzes them because they think that they wil be dead before they come to, and in some ways they are right.

Anyhow, Here are my suggestions:

Put the Mana refill back to the way it was or to half of the way it was,
Reduce the power of Paralyze: my 27 second paralyze, should be more like 8 seconds. I think that would be more fair;
And also make it slightly more easy to learn how to use magic; it's hard to start from scratch and try to become a decent wizard....

These are my suggestions, you can cast them out if you dont like them, but give it a thought.

Drogla · Post by **Drogla** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 3:47 am

Nilo, you ar ethe only one i know with a paralize like that
I have fair skills and my paralize is 7-8 seconds, as most people's is

Nilo · Post by **Nilo** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 3:52 am

Athian's is the same as mine.... I'm not saying i want my stats lowered, I just wish that EVERYONE's was slightly smaller.

Cassandra Fjurin · Post by **Cassandra Fjurin** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 3:53 am

@Nilo this is constructiv critizism

i agree with some of the points. As i said it, balancing is very hard. So we have to check what the players say. Maybe in the next Server version the mana regeneration is increased to the old value.

Athian · Post by **Athian** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 4:22 am

i'm not sure if it's exaclty as long as Nilo stated but a single yeg kel from an advanced mage can last very long. weaker and less practised mages of course have lighter effects. i think that is balanced. the real problem is that when you start tweeking the magic system sometimes you get an unexpected. in honsetly i could care less for Ath's sack if the paralzye spell were weakened but last time it happened it also made most other spells like fireballs (my personal favorite) do absolutly nothing. Magic is no doubt one of the hardest systems to balance out. so i guess we just need to cut the GM's some slack here.

P.S: i really do like having Sam and Eliza walk around. it's so much better then them standing in one spot all day. awesome job.

Kasume · Post by **Kasume** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 4:23 am

Athian wrote:i'm gonna have to agree on this one partly, the mana regeneration isn't just slow it's horrible, with an empty mana bar it would literally take me the same amount of time to refill as it would a fly killing an expert warrior wearing plate mail. i can understand slowing it a bit but it's a bit abusrd to have it that slow. if possible maybe one of the Gm's might check it out personally for comparisons sake anyway. *shrug*

It's absurb that it's possible to paralyze and use your insane fire magic to instantly kill fighter classes.

Stop complaining that you have to start buying potions to fight now. Go cry me a river and flood the world.

Nilo · Post by **Nilo** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 4:25 am

Well, I guess ill be okay as long as i get my heal spell back.

Athian · Post by **Athian** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 4:25 am

Well Kasume, once i reach the point i want to be at i won't even have to paralzye you to blast you into tiny little bits of ash. and to think you won't even have time to log before hand. hope that makes you feel i bit better.

I'll edit this for the post below:

Kasume i'm not here to argue with you and you may think whatever you want to, if you don't like me don't rp with me, and most definatly don't start arguments with me every chance you get on the boards, your the only one who will be seen as acting childish.

PO Athian

Kasume · Post by **Kasume** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 4:29 am

Athian wrote:Well Kasume, once i reach the point i want to be at i won't even have to paralzye you to blast you into tiny little bits of ash. and to think you won't even have time to log before hand. hope that makes you feel i bit better.

If you don't recall. I've put up with your bullshit OOC insulting while in game to the last straw. Never have I done ANYTHING to you. Yet you insult me in OOC and complain about my RP when you do stupid crap.

Example of what you do...

#me lights Kasume on fire.......nah

Obviously, you have something againt me in OOC. So, if you do. Then don't talk to me, and I won't talk to you. But also, do not complain that magic is too weak when it is the strongest style of fighting in the game.

Bickering about a free game. It's childish. You should be happy that this game exists for dimwitted fools as yourself.

Arkadia Misella · Post by **Arkadia Misella** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 5:22 am

It is nice to see the npc's walking around...a nice change of scenery.
@Cassandra Fjurin
Don't worry. You don't have to like me. No one else does.
@ Kasume
Magic being the strongest fighting style in the game? My ass....I think at this point flies are more of a threat than anything less than a mage that has all their skills maxed out, which I honestly cannot see how that is possible.

Darlok · Post by **Darlok** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 7:15 am

Cassandra,
do not raise the Mana regeneration just because some players are simply to lazy to carry some potions with them and always want to use the most powerful and expensive spells.

Balancing is a hard task, so give it some more time and/or ask for more imput.

martin · Post by **martin** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 8:07 am

Nilo wrote:On the other hand, this thing where it makes the mana go VERY slow is ridiculous.

Let me repeat what Cassandra said SEVERAL times already in my own words:

F*ck off.

Martin

martin · Post by **martin** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 8:16 am

So, let me tell you something:

This is not a final, commercial game. This is an alpha version of a free online game.
We (some of us) are investing HUGE AMOUNTS of time into that without geting anything for it. Think about that. (When I say "huge amounts" I mean something like 10 hours a day, EVERY day!)
So, we made some changes, which NEED TO BE BALANCED. YOU ARE TESTING A GAME, thats because this is an ALPHA version, not a final game. We give you a game to test and want to hear what you think, in a polite way. What we do NOT want to hear is you bitching around and telling the same all over again. I don't need that, it's getting on my nerves.
We noticed that some player think that mana regeneration is too slow now. You do not need to bitch around because of that.
Cassandra told you that we will have a look at it. Where is the point in repeating it again and again? This really pisses me off, and I guess Cassandra feels the same.
Please be constructive. We want to make a game FOR you, not AGAINST you. Keep that in mind when you f**** around with us next time.

Thank you.

Martin, pissed.

Kasume · Post by **Kasume** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 8:41 am

martin wrote:So, let me tell you something:

This is not a final, commercial game. This is an alpha version of a free online game.
We (some of us) are investing HUGE AMOUNTS of time into that without geting anything for it. Think about that. (When I say "huge amounts" I mean something like 10 hours a day, EVERY day!)
So, we made some changes, which NEED TO BE BALANCED. YOU ARE TESTING A GAME, thats because this is an ALPHA version, not a final game. We give you a game to test and want to hear what you think, in a polite way. What we do NOT want to hear is you bitching around and telling the same all over again. I don't need that, it's getting on my nerves.
We noticed that some player think that mana regeneration is too slow now. You do not need to bitch around because of that.
Cassandra told you that we will have a look at it. Where is the point in repeating it again and again? This really pisses me off, and I guess Cassandra feels the same.
Please be constructive. We want to make a game FOR you, not AGAINST you. Keep that in mind when you f**** around with us next time.

Thank you.

Martin, pissed.

Woot!

Darlok · Post by **Darlok** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 9:23 am

I honestly always belived that insulting others is frowned up on these boards.

I actualy fail to see why Nilo deserves to be told to ... you know what.

He just has a completly different point of view.

Martin, if you are going to sign your posts with "Martin, pissed" it might be better to simply delete what you are going to write and just do something else.