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Bumbol joined the guild BEFORE Lyrenzia was made(I'm pretty sure). Lyrenzia is THE lowest form of organized authority I ever had the chance to witness

Look what I found. Let's see... taking 19 silver or 1000 logs out of their own pockets.... adds to a whopping profit for Lyrenzia of...... negative 19 silver or negative 1000 wood! Wow!

Dunthor wrote: well since this happend 3 months ago I kinda didnt get the rest of the wood I promised 1000 wood but I never choped it

Dunthor has now been taken off the streets of Troll's Bane.

The following people may find Councilor Dyluck or another Councilor with available stock to recieve compensation for their stolen goods.

Morgaine Le Fay -19 silver ingots or 1000 logs of wood
Tamti -250 bottles

The third Judicial Trial of the Lyrenzia Foundation is hereby closed.

Let's also take a look at the brilliant way you handled crime on your own without Lyrenzia:

Bumbol Woodstock wrote: yes, he did indeed injure me a very large amount of times. He stayed near the cross so I couldn't get healed, he hit me a large amount of times there. I hope the prison guards throw him away for good. Also, he hurt Viola Thistle 3 or 4 times and Ferrow 3 or 4 times. For no reason at all.

Dunthor wrote: Bumbol you also killed me 8 times in a row for no reason

Bumbol Woodstock wrote: Dunthor, I fired on you for three reasons.
A- Viola was trying to be healed by the cross and you were hitting her.
B- Ferrow was trying to be healed by the cross and you were hitting him.
C- You had hit me 10 times in a row at the cross.

Hey Fooser, I missed the part where Bumbol couldn't leave the Hobiteers when their guild leader decided to join Lyrenzia.

That is the problem from Bumbol.
I am sure there were a inner guild election, if the Evergreen Halflings want to become a member of Lyrenzia or not.
If he doesn´t agree with the result of this election and the decession of the guild to enter Lyrenzia, then he must leave the guild.

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Fieps

So you are saying, all of you are saying "You are apart of a guild that is in Lyrenzia, so follow and do exactly what we say." This belief is stupid, you want us to blindly follow you and support you.
You say Lyrenzia doesn't make money, then why do you want 10 ingots per prison hour?

Bumbol Woodstock

Everyone is effected by this group of aristocrats, that is the truth. For example, an ignorant farmer who has no knowledge of what is going on around him, just minds his own business and plants crops, then one day THERE'S A WALL going through his planting area. Personally I do not know anyone like that, but that very well could happen, every single person is affected whether they are part of it or not, so why are you arguing about being in or out anyways

So you are saying, all of you are saying "You are apart of a guild that is in Lyrenzia, so follow and do exactly what we say." This belief is stupid, you want us to blindly follow you and support you.

Nope, you said that yourself. People like me try to talk to my guild leader about ideas to help improve Lyrenzia. People like you just complain all day long because you have problems you can't solve so now you want to find someone to blame.

Ever noticed that nobody has ever decided to pay 10 silver ingots for 1 hour? Duh.... goes to show that 10 silver hurts the criminal more than 1 our of prison, and will even add to funding for future operations.

So what if Lyrenzia COULD get funding for future operations. So WHAT?
Who ever said a goverment organization doesn't need a budget to operate?
All you do is complain. You don't even know what you're trying to achieve anymore.


There's a wall going through your farming ground Fooser? Oh no, that is so horrible! Please take away the wall from my farm and bring back the demons to stand on it!

Bumbol can you read, can you?

I have said, if you have complaints or don´t agree with the way like Lyrenzia act, tell it your guild founder = Lyrenzia Councilor, and please him to discuss it with the other Lyrenzia Councilors.

Only so you can change something, with a inner Lyrenzia election by all the Lyrenzia council.

Your question concerning the money for prison hour were already answered a few letters ago.

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Fieps

I never said it was me, I said "I personally do NOT know someone like that", but there are many who were affected by this wall passing through a popular planting area, more people than you think, and they didn't think about all those people did they?

Oh yes a wall through a popular planting area was so much more devastating than demons walking on it......! Hah!

Hm, Algoran, what makes you think a wall with help exactly? It will slow, nothing more.
Secondly, I have asked my community leader to talk us out of Lyrenzia.
Thirdly, I am not complaining, I started this out with a request of Lyrenzia to help us combat these theives.
Fourthly, do not call Lyrenzia a government for a government protects the citizens from evil doers. Therefore Lyrenzia is not a government, but instead a place of court nothing more nothing less.
Fifthly, Lyrenzia seems to me like a half-ass government. It makes a wall to protect us, but doesn't actually do anything to protect us. It doesn't want to hurt itself or take the time to protect us.

Bumbol Woodstock

Bumbol is mostly correct, but the problem with more securities would mean less rights, like the example with the wall and movement out of town. They judge in a court system when they weren't even witnesses, just a bunch of people saying what they saw, and then the other side contradicting it, everything they have created is cursed

Your definition of government is so inaccurate.
But hey, if you say that's what a government is, and Lyrenzia is not a government, then why complain that it doesn't protect you?
You obviously have given nothing to help Lyrenzia, so Lyrenzia owes you nothing, not protection, not anything.

The wall will slow the enemy.... nothing more...
Yes just keep complaining....

If Lyrenzia pays to gives you free supplies of food then you will say "this will only feed me for one month.... nothing more...."

Lyrenzia creates a court to punish convicted criminal, and all of a sudden you think they owe you troops to catch accused criminals too.

Lyrenzia creates a wall to help fend off enemies from the town, and all of a sudeen you think they owe you guards to patrol it too.

You say you started this to get help to fight thieves? Why don't you ask other guilds that have a military force for this kind of thing instead? Why do you come to Lyrenzia thinking that it owes you to do everything for you and solve all your problems?


Hey Fooser, that's an interesting complaint you have about the court system. Care to show me how normal people settle their disputes?

The last time I checked it was a bunch of people saying what they saw and the other side contradicting it. Then other people take sides if they want to according to who they believe, and argue some more.

Gee... sounds familiar.

Actually, normal people use violence these days, which is more effective than the current system. Lyrenzia is simply a bunch of aristocrats making one last run for power, except one or two of them.

Sandstone!

You say Lyrenzia doesn't make money, then why do you want 10 ingots per prison hour?

Apparently you haven't read anything I have written.
Lyrenzia has not gotten a dime, therefore it is not making money.

Let me make this straight, Lyrenzia DOES NOT ask people to pay 10 ignots for each hour they'll have to sit in jail. Lyrenzia has NOT recieved any money from the people put in jail. The money (if criminal would reduce the sentence, which has not yet happened) will be given to the VICTIM.

but the problem with more securities would mean less rights

This was the point of my first note.
With the addition that if Lyrenzia would provide more security, you'd me moaning about 'less rights', so basically if we do something, you whine, if we don't, you still whine.

So, what is your point? What exactly is the problem? What should we do about it?

I said simply why do you act like you want to protect us when you don't do it? I asked for assistance in getting rid of this theif guild. But apparently, many of you "respected leaders" took it personally, apparently they don't care for our actualy safety only the power they get when they sentence someone to prison. I hope many people are reading this and think about dropping out of Lyrenzia. The only reason it is around is because it is founded by an army.

Bumbol Woodstock

What is the problem? The problem is that it should not exsist, it is just a large group of guild leaders trying to expand influence. Some people seem to forget being a guild leader means you can control the people in that guild, but anywhere else they are just normal people

Caranthir,
It is definitely senseless to waste thoughts on arguing with or explaining to Bumbol Woodstock. This person either does not care nor read anything we write, or does simply not understand it.

Dear Bumbol Woodstock,
I will try to explain this one last time.
Lyrenzia is, to put it into simple words, trying to help the public. It needs the support of the people to work.
OF COURSE it is not as effective as it could be with a police troup that has the right to imprison everyone on sight who seems to do something wrong. But i myself have the opinion that, when we would handle it that way, our own personal freedom as individuals would not longer be supported by lyrenzia.

And now, dear person, please stop complaining and start doing something against those criminals, either with the help of the public and Lyrenzia, or without it - and do not break laws by yourself.

If you again do not read or understand this, i hope someone else will tell you. I dislike repeating myself and talking to deaf ears.

I will not read any of the following papers. May the gods bless you with insight soon.

They always resort to low blows and insults to those who think differently Bumbol, ignore it

As you all now see you cannot reason with Lyrenzia. They attack at the first sign of questions of their authority. They will accuse you of stupidity, of ignorance and working against the good of the people. Another tactic, used by others to an irritating degree, is to wish "May the gods bless you with insight soon." Trying to make out their "wisdom" is god given. I agree with Damien though that we should band together and do something about those criminals, and once Lyrenzia has been dealt with we can do something about the thieves as well.

Algoran.

P.S. Caranthir what does Lyrenzia do with the money it takes for unfound victims if it still cannot find them. Oh and I think YOU should read Lyrenzias rules and regulations because it quite clearly states "Prison time can be cancelled with payment to the Lyrenzia Foundation at a rate of 10 silver ingots for every hour of prison." That sounds to me like asking for money to buy time off a sentence.

The only reason it is around is because it is founded by an army.

Care to explain?

I said simply why do you act like you want to protect us when you don't do it?

But you still failed to tell what exactly you wanted us to do about this.

But apparently, many of you "respected leaders" took it personally,

Why the double standard here?
I just read all the writings you people have made, and there is certainly more insulting material than in our notes. Why aren't their remarks 'low-blows'?



Bumbol, answer to these questions;
What if Lyrenzia formed a police force, would you be ready to support it and its work?

I don't have that much against the Idea, I run a voting about it if gathers support.

No I wouldn't Caranthir, because then like I have said tons of times over you would be doing what you said you were doing, protecting the citizens and not making us fend for ourselves. Infact, I remember suggesting this to you, and you could ask for a certain sum of money from the guilds in your Organization, but my request was unheeded and forgotten.
And when I said you have an army surporting you I ment the following guilds: Rangers, Grey Rose, Magic Academy (and its fortune of money), UCA.
Clearly if anyone was to even stand up to you, you could simply crush them with this. And it was when I started this, now turning into novel, that I thought you could get some of your men from your powerful guilds to stop them. But apparently, asking for this makes me sound "iggnorant" and like I am "complaining".

Bumbol Woodstock

Well Caranthir, there is a difference, we insult the idea, all you come back doubting Bumbols reading ability. In short, Lyrenzia is basically a few guilds who decided to seize control one day

Then, Bumbol. What is the point of this thread?
You first wanted us to do something to protect the people, but then you claim that you wouldn't support a police force or similiar installment.
What is your logic here?

I don't recall anything like that suggested to me personally, you are probably talking about Crosis.

Consider this, perhaps the guilds could do what you claim they could, but why would they do that? We aren't making money out of this, even tought you claim otherwise. W judge people accused by other people, do not accuse them. What pisses people like fooser about this is, quite simple actually, before Lyrenzia they were able to, being strong and having bunch of strong friends, do whatever they wanted and get away with it. Now they feel that their freedoms are somehow limited, which is quite untrue. Now the scales have simply been balanced, they are on the same line with everybody else, you and me. The people who have gained most from this are the far most vulnerable part of the society, merchants, craftsmen, newly arrived, who did not have means of getting justice for themselves before, at least without consuming considerable amounts of money.

Caranthir you make it sound like the town was a terrible place to live before Lyrenzia. Many who can remember those times remember a much more carefree time than now. These strong groups you talk of existed but they were not many and rarely bothered the town. You have replaced these few with a huge group who can do as they like and are able to lock people up on the words of others. Many are frightened to speak out against Lyrenzia, even I watch my back and stay away from the castle. I often wonder about the walls. Very good at keeping things out but also people in. It's funny how the monster attacks did not increase untill after Lyrenzia took power and were able to build walls to "protect" us. I'm sure it was just coincidence.

Algoran.

It's funny how the monster attacks did not increase untill after Lyrenzia took power and were able to build walls to "protect" us. I'm sure it was just coincidence.

Monster attacks have occurred for quite some time now, years to be precise. They are not a new thing, and I am not even going to bother answering to that last comment.

Yes I have noticed your inability to answer questions but I was too polite to mention it.

I did not say the monster attacks started when Lyrenzia took power I said they increased. I have been living here for quite a while and have been in many battles with the monsters to defend the town. I still say there were not as many attacks until Lyrenzia were in control and were able to leap to our aid by building a wall around the town. I did also say that I'm sure it was coincidence. Why take such offence? Something to hide perhaps?

Algoran.

Craftsman have gained by Lyrenzia? In the judicial system? Maybe. Anywhere else? No

Did you consider the foresters/Carpenters when you build the wall blocking the main entrance to the southern forest? No
Did you consider the farmers when you build the wall through a popular planting area? No
Did you consider the miners when you build the wall in a location that would cause crowding in the main mining section? No

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But all that is not so much worth like the protection throught the wall.
You can find other forests to chop trees or walk a few steps more, where is the problem?
You can dig beyond the wall, only a few steps more, where is the problem?
There are other places to farme, well they are a few more meters away from the depot.
And again where is the problem?
Only because you have to walk a few steps more you will pull off the wall?
We change lazy behavior against less protection. What a exchange, great.

To Algoran
And I have also noticed your inability to ask accurate questions, rather than trowing around baseless and provokative assumptions and accusations (those being baseless too).

Did you consider the foresters/Carpenters when you build the wall blocking the main entrance to the southern forest? No
Did you consider the farmers when you build the wall through a popular planting area? No
Did you consider the miners when you build the wall in a location that would cause crowding in the main mining section? No

When we built the wall, we thought about their safety. But, hell. Nevermind the slight positive thing that you are less likely to loose your life when you must deal with the crushing inconvinience of taking few extra steps. There are also other areas where crops may be planted, other areas where you can do your mining, other forests to get your lumber from, it is ALWAYS bad to fix on single area to retrieve your goods, be that area better than others.

On the contrary, the wall does the same for monsters. They also have to walk only a few steps further to get inside of town. Just the other day Ungolianths minions could easily stroll into town, and one got as far as the center of town. There was also a skeleton or two that was at the southern gate and made it almost as far. So the wall does not fully protect, AND it creates a hassle for others. "A few steps" may be correct for the mining example, but for the lumber-gathering, it is quite a few steps to reach the next closest forest, or to go all the way around the wall near the tavern, or all the way around to the smith area near the depot on the other side.