delete delete delete...that's all you do.

Post by **Nitram** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:14 pm

Korwin wrote:
3. he posted the log and gave away with that the identity of a gm's player char. that is too a clear rulebreak, it is forbidden.
This 'no posting log' business is ridiculous. If it's against the rules

Your problems are the following:
1. You don't read
2. You don't think
3. You don't write something usefull.

Its not forbidden to post logs. Its just not very fine, if the persons who talk in the log are not fine with it (in this case, it normally gets deleted)

But in this case, in the log the character of a Illarion Staff member was named. One who was not known as this.
And THIS is forbidden.

Nitram

Achae Eanstray · Post by **Achae Eanstray** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:21 pm

I must be missing something here or not understanding a rule: http://illarion.org/illarion/us_rules.php#3

So, PO Stephen and all his chars are banned forever (ultimate punishment) because he played his char IG rather then himself (as PO) in an ooc conversation with a GM, or because he knew and discussed who the char of a GM was?

Samantha Meryadeles · Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:24 pm

He hasn't played his char. It was sure that he was just fooling around. it was clear when reading what he wrote. if he would have played his char it would have looked much different. he just wanted to muck around with the gm

Post by **Nitram** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:32 pm

He did the following things, that were no so good:

Fooling around while a gm tried to speak with him
covering a rule break ( Spreading the information about the character of a staff member )
Spreading this information by posting the talking log
posting a talking log, without the permission of all involved players (not that importaint, but still... )

All that comes in my mind for now

Korwin · Post by **Korwin** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:34 pm

Nitram wrote: Its not forbidden to post logs. Its just not very fine, if the persons who talk in the log are not fine with it (in this case, it normally gets deleted)

Vilarion wrote:Posting logs is not allowed, that is why the post got deleted.

Oh, I'm sorry if I infered from the statement "posting logs is not allowed" that posting logs wasn't allowed.

Nitram wrote:Your problems are the following:
1. You don't read
2. You don't think
3. You don't write something usefull.

Illarion Rules wrote: Rule 3.
All insults directed at the person behind the screen, and not the character, are frowned upon, and will not be tolerated.

I guess calling me mentally handicapped and illiterate isn't against any rules, right?

But in this case, in the log the character of a Illarion Staff member was named. One who was not known as this.
And THIS is forbidden.

Then delete the log, rather than erasing all evidence that the post ever existed. Sam's account was banned before he posted the log, and I don't see "joking" as against the rules.

Retlak · Post by **Retlak** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:39 pm

I fail to see the use of this entire arguement.

Samantha Meryadeles · Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:41 pm

Me too. He did wrong, the punishment is earned, the GM's did the right and they are allowed to do so. They had a good reason. Discussion ended.

Retlak · Post by **Retlak** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:43 pm

No Patric, i meant the entire topic, Starting from the teleporting to the Gm castle, to this.

Samantha Meryadeles · Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:46 pm

Everyone who gets questioned by a gm gets teleported there. i got, others got, many got. never someone complained, until it hits one of your clique, hmm?

May i quote something you and the others from your clique often tell me?

"If you don't like it, don't play the game".

If you dont like it that gm's punish someone who fools around with them and plays the jester, when speaking with him in a serious environment, AND breaking the gamerules, than, by the gods of roleplay, don't play this game.

Or stop pissing at Gamemasters legs and accept their desicions.

Retlak · Post by **Retlak** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:50 pm

My god Patric listen to yourself. Your jump the gun, the start thinking i back up Sam because he is my clique? he is just another player. I have backed you up on occasions in the past, i do not believe you were my clique.

I just fail to see how anything has changed. Besides, you spreaded the information about in the first place. So:

Please, Shut the smile up and stop living.

Liles · Post by **Liles** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:53 pm

Get the smile out the topic Patric

All you want is Sam banned because of your personal feelings to him. So go screw a barn animal for all I care.

Dantagon Marescot · Post by **Dantagon Marescot** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:56 pm

Liles, I suggest you do the same thing. Quit sucking up to Sam. Read what Nitram posted and come back when you learn to not mock others in a debate topic and grow a brain.

Samantha Meryadeles · Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:56 pm

No, because of his wrong doings, rule breaks and over a dozen actions for the bad of the game i had to experience over the last years. one day there has to be an end to all, and he finally has to stop.

Liles · Post by **Liles** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:58 pm

Dantagon Marescot wrote:Liles, I suggest you do the same thing. Quit sucking up to Sam. Read what Nitram posted and come back when you learn to not mock others in a debate topic and grow a brain.

What the hell? Sucking the smile up? Seriously that's the most hypercritical thing i've ever heard someone say... I tell you what, you wouldn't speak to the police like that, so don't do it to me.

Azuros · Post by **Azuros** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:59 pm

Of the things Nitram posted:

2 were after he was banned

and the other two are not really rules

Dantagon Marescot · Post by **Dantagon Marescot** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:59 pm

Alright. Then at least do the same for me and others in the topic, deal?

Liles · Post by **Liles** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:03 am

If people could use some common sense maybe i'd give them some respect to their points but all i'm getting is:

Nitram: Blah blah blah i'm villy's bitch
Vilarion: *tumble weed*
Patric: BAN THE BITCH! BAN HIM!
Dantagon: Well, you wouldn't speak to the police like it

Keikan Hiru · Post by **Keikan Hiru** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:03 am

Kids, can't you try not to become the collateral damage of Sams stunt here?

Calm down, relax and wait a few days for an define outcome of this.
Sam can handle this situation by himself, I am sure he does need noone of you holding his hand.

I advise everybody to watch thier language.

Lrmy · Post by **Lrmy** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:07 am

Samantha Meryadeles wrote:No, because of his wrong doings, rule breaks and over a dozen actions for the bad of the game i had to experience over the last years. one day there has to be an end to all, and he finally has to stop.

do you really support the ban? I mean he is one of the best role players in the game. Much better than you in my opinion Patrik (though you are not bad). Banning him also takes away role play from others. If some one does a few wrong things so what? He far out weighs the bad with the good he brought to the game. Kallahorn, witch he helped create has been going on for over a year. This takes away from a strong clan and all the players in it. He was also making a fighting thing in the arena(witch is owned by uhm no one now i guess).

For you all that support his ban I would like you to think about how this affects other people in the game that did not break any rules.

Dantagon Marescot · Post by **Dantagon Marescot** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:07 am

Okay, different stand point now that I am calmer. We were discussing about the guy who got a three day suspension for leaving something that induced panic into an administrator in six period today. People thought that it was a little harsh. But he had done things in the past.

When you are ran on a ladder punishment system, if you have precursers, then they go to the next rung in the ladder. Everyone may say that the ban is unreasonable. But if he has had past instances of punishment, then maybe this is just the next rung in the ladder.

You may not like it. But the GM didn't like being mocked, and neither do I.

Something I wrote earlier. If this is not common sence, tell me what is? Sam screwed up, Sam got introuble for it, Sam should go and try to figure out what he did wrong and go applogise. Instead, what we saw was,
Sam: I don't like this, I am going to complain about it.
Liles: I am going to defend Sam and not listen to reason.

Let Sam speak to the GM about it. He screwed up and not you, Liles. Please don't yell at everyone that agrees with the GMs on this.

Azuros · Post by **Azuros** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:10 am

Except you keep forgetting that no rules were broken for this ban to have reasoning. It is basically a GM got mad for what he did, he banned him without caring if there were rules broken or not, and Sam did not like it.

Retlak · Post by **Retlak** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:11 am

Dantagon, you have to remember to calm down before you post in general. Everyone has their opinions, and ae entitled to their opinions. Stop getting mad and telling Liles to shutup because quite frankly he is doing nothing wrong.

Keikan Hiru · Post by **Keikan Hiru** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:12 am

Sam: Breaking rule 2.
Liles: Currently on the edge of breaking rule 3.

Lance Thunnigan · Post by **Lance Thunnigan** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:13 am

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Do we still have freedom of speech, or is cursing over the forums a bannable offense now too?

Samantha Meryadeles · Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:13 am

We told you guys now the tenth time that he broke 2 rules, 2! Can you please start listening and don't ignore that facts? He HAS broke TWO rules of the game, AND, added to that, he MOCKED the GM's, he tried to make fool out of them.

And that AFTER he has a known past of doing wrong things. after being already punished often in the past.

Just because he does good roleplay, what is really a matter of opinion, i have many problems with his way of roleplay, doesnt mean he can allow himself again and again rulebreaks and wrong doings and never gets a serious punishment for that.
We can't make a difference by that based on how much you like someone or if he done more good or bad. You will be judged just based on what you did leading to the punishment or trial, not who you are.

Lrmy · Post by **Lrmy** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:14 am

Also Dantagon, remember that if the community of Illarion have a problem with a gm they can say so. This happened to Sam, what stops it from another gm to get mad about something else and ban some one else? This is not a problem purely based on Sam.

Azuros · Post by **Azuros** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:14 am

Lance Thunnigan wrote:<.<
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Do we still have freedom of speech, or is cursing over the forums a bannable offense now too?

Yes, Liles is about to get in trouble for it, but don't worry, Nitram's insult on Andrew won't get him in trouble or anything

Keikan Hiru · Post by **Keikan Hiru** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:14 am

Private server, private board.
You basicly don't even have human rights here, if we don't want to.

Dantagon Marescot · Post by **Dantagon Marescot** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:15 am

You may not like it. But the GM didn't like being mocked, and neither do I.

I think that is what really got the GM. He pissed someone who has power off, and got pissed on for it.

@Retlak: Actually, I am rather calm. I fail at using passive writing though. I'm not mad at Liles right now. Though I still don't appreciate the picture he posted that mocked me.

Truthfully. I think we all just need to call it a night and let Sam deal with the GMs on his own.

The Returner · Post by **The Returner** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:15 am

Korwin, I love you in a purely hetero way, but Nitram called you nothing of the sort, he said you don't, not you are. And basicly his point is, you don't pay attention to whats really going on and all you, and basicly EVERYONE ELSE ON THIS THREAD are succeeding in doing is stirring up more shit with the gm's who are liable to just ban all of you to end this retarded banter