Fighting system

Lennier · Post by **Lennier** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:37 pm

Oh, i got lots of dodge skill within the last days. The most important question is: What kind of armor do you have to wear to raise your chance to dodge?

If i remember right, the skill raise his speed, the chance and importance with his value.

Adano Eles · Post by **Adano Eles** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:38 pm

Maybe you will raise your dodge easier now, if you parry less. Complaining now that the fighting system in unbalanced would be like a newbie complaining because he can't parry a demon.

Athian · Post by **Athian** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:39 pm

yea but your more then likily going to die doing it Lennier. remember you take alot of hits now, a whole lot that go unchecked by parry skills, which means in light armor your taking that much more damage.

Lennier · Post by **Lennier** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:43 pm

Search the right enemies and the right weapons. Pigs, flies, bees and some other "small" things i kill with 1-2 hits (okay, i am no newbie, but also not the best).

Aristeaus · Post by **Aristeaus** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:43 pm

You should remember that the fighting system is not purely designed to accomodate already skilled fighters, if your new to the game i imagine you would fight creatures which you could wear light armour against, and the skill will rise in comparison. ;]

Retlak · Post by **Retlak** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:45 pm

My parry is frozen.

I can only raise dodge!

Adano Eles · Post by **Adano Eles** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:45 pm

Thanks, Arist. People always complain because their specialised fighters suddenly don't work any more instead of just beginning at the bottom.

Athian · Post by **Athian** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:27 pm

small enemies still need some balance too. flies probably not so bad. wasps and scorpions highly poisonous might need to watch out

@ Adano

mind you these aren't server updates there just changes, if your not checking into this topic every time something happens these changes seems very sudden and very extreme. it has nothing to do with specialized fighters, personally i have no problem as my character can use magic and i believe Shands character has fairly good archery skills (still seems to enact major pwnage) so it's not complainants it's concerns.

Shandariel el Lysanthrai · Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:31 pm

As Athian said, concerns. Shandariel has very good dexterity and agility. She uses two daggers, against an enemy using daggers or hands. She has a good parrie skill. She never parries their attacks anymore! And she don't dodge them aswell. She wears a light elvenarmor, a horned helmet, black trousers, leatherboots and leathergloves.

Still nothing. no parrie, no dodging. But the loss of fair amount of energy.

Lennier · Post by **Lennier** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 7:49 pm

No parry could be because of the lack of good weapons to be able to parry. I would not say, that daggers are good equipment to parry, but shields, swords and staffs etc.

Shandariel el Lysanthrai · Thu Apr 27, 2006 8:00 pm

it is surely possible for someone with a dagger to parry an other dagger. but not in this game. not anymore

Misjbar · Post by **Misjbar** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 8:03 pm

I find it highly difficult in reallife to parry with daggers to be honest. You should try it sometime.

EDIT

By your logic I could even parry a sword with a lettuce by the way.

Berengar · Post by **Berengar** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 8:27 pm

This doesn't just affect daggers. Now it is virtually not possible to fight without using the weapon+shield combo, what would lead to a lack of variety, because if any other weapon is pointless you won't use it.

Llama · Post by **Llama** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 8:31 pm

You can always dodge instead of parrying....

Shandariel el Lysanthrai · Thu Apr 27, 2006 8:36 pm

No you can't. When you say "you can" you mean that we have a choice if we parry or dodge, but we haven't. You dodge just when you wear light armor that protects few, and just when you have a high dodgeskill. The dodgeskill is very hard to train.

Athian · Post by **Athian** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 8:55 pm

it's not that hard to parry with a dagger in real life actually. your expected to know what your doing however, which is of course the point of the current topic.

as Berengar said it's pointless to use anything but a shield weapon combo right now. just tried it moments ago. by comparison to the person with the two handed weapon i struck them nearly eight times before they would land a blow past the shield.

Llama · Post by **Llama** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 8:59 pm

I tried fighting uarmed, against mummies... its HARD.. its quite impossible actually...

One mummy brought me to half health...before i killed him

EDIT -> Was using leather armor...

How can you train unarmed except with no shield?

I suggest a 'bonus' chance to parry/dodge is given to everyone...ie raise its value...

EDIT -> After, i fought unarmed against salathe unarmed.. no armor whatsoever.. THIS fight took longer...

Cain Freemont · Post by **Cain Freemont** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 9:03 pm

Hadrian_Abela wrote:I tried fighting uarmed, against mummies... its HARD.. its quite impossible actually

One mummy kicked me to half health...before i killed him

How can you train unarmed except with no shield?

I suggest a 'bonus' chance to parry/dodge is given to everyone...ie raise its value...

I am really unsure how many know of this (somewhat?) recent change, but unarmed combat (no weapon, no shield) is now a skill called wrestling. Without such a skill, killing mummies would be very difficult unarmed, yes. I am currently training a character in wrestling and I am led to believe it will be a fruitful experiment in later periods of the skillgain process. I just recently fought a couple of mummies, but was unable to finish the fight before my armour broke. Weapon and shield definitely seems like the most effective combination. I would like to see mild changes to that in the future, but as of now I assume a great many use this combination anyway.

Adano Eles · Post by **Adano Eles** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 9:05 pm

I use two swords and light armor, and I see not much of a difference to before. Mummies tend to go down a bit faster even.

Gort Greegog · Post by **Gort Greegog** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 10:20 pm

Can you bring back parry with no shields? it isent like you can't blobk a swing with a sword or staff ot just about any weapon for that matter.

Salathe · Post by **Salathe** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 10:28 pm

It seems you cant parry at all with two handed weapons now... which doesnt make much sense, because you can definately parry/block hits with a weapon.

Parrying is blocking with a weapon, doesnt make much sense to parry with a shield. Maybe a new skill should be made, "Block", that occurs with shields

Nalzaxx · Post by **Nalzaxx** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 10:37 pm

But then you'd all complain because you have no block skill

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 10:55 pm

I told martin it didn't parry enough, and that he was going to get ALOT of complaints. He said its better to simply raise the stats of the weapons like staves than the system overall. I guess we'll see what happens then.

You can parry with 2 handed weapons, the chances are very slim. Shields have 2-3 times more defense than most weapons.

Gort Greegog · Post by **Gort Greegog** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 11:04 pm

Sorry but this seems rather DUMB!!!!!!!!!! I say again...Please bring pary back..just simply doing more damage dosent help when your being attacked by more than one person.

Shandariel el Lysanthrai · Thu Apr 27, 2006 11:09 pm

I am the same opinion. bring parry back! this way fights will again take too short and you will die too quick

Retlak · Post by **Retlak** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 11:40 pm

Please! bring parry back!...i am dying!..

Garett Gwenour · Post by **Garett Gwenour** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 11:59 pm

dont use two handed weapons as much ?

Retlak · Post by **Retlak** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 12:19 am

i just have, used a staff, i parry almost ever hit from mummies, and hardly any from skelingtons.. :S

Poots · Post by **Poots** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 12:50 am

lol, you guys are never satisified are you? look at the length of this topic and how many changes have been made for it.

just because your dying doesn't always mean the system sucks. maybey you just arn't good against some enemies. you can' beat everyone

martin · Post by **martin** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 12:52 am

Shandariel el Lysanthrai wrote:it is surely possible for someone with a dagger to parry an other dagger. but not in this game. not anymore

I'd like to make some tests with you IRL.
I get the sword, you get two daggers, I want to see you parry my blows. Please, please, please.
Please.

Martin