Rule Breaker: drag - enough of this

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Sat Aug 31, 2002 1:14 am

The player known as the characters drag and draglin obviously had no clue as to what roleplaying means from everything we've read about him on the board, and now I've caught him breaking rule number 11, trading items between his characters.

4. Names
Player names should fit into a medieval surrounding. Names without any sense, or which aren't names (for example "A mage", "Karl is stupid" ...) will be deleted.

11. Multiple characters
If a player uses multiple characters he/she has to separate them. Both characters have their own mind and memory. It is not allowed to exchange things between the characters. Usage of more than one character at the same time is forbidden.

He also has an accomplice by the name deats and Harold of London or something. I can't stand this anymore, so I hope you can delete him as soon as possible Bror. Any evidence you need on these two people can be found at about August 30th 11:55pm GMT

(Edited by Dyluck at 4:23 pm on Aug. 30, 2002)

drag · Post by **drag** » Sat Aug 31, 2002 1:28 am

i didnt break the rules in my eyes. i already new deats. drag had traded to deats. then i went on draglin, then meat deats(again). them he was kind and lend me a sickle, so i got some herbs, them traded the herbs for the sickle. i did the same thing again, just for gold. i bought books to make potions and then traded for extra armor that deats had. i think that that isnt breading the rules
i didnt mix charectors. dyluck wasnt there when i meat deats, he wasnt always there to monitor me, so he realy doenst know the 100% story. and drag and draglin arent inapropreate names. dyluck is from a video game!!!. if my name was inapropreate, it would already have been deleted already.

i am sorry to lead you in a false direction dyluck. i trully am, but it wasnt nesesary to kill my bran new charector. i lost the little skill i had.

drag and draglin
Firestone Knights

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Sat Aug 31, 2002 1:40 am

Your name IS inappropriate and it will be deleted now after Bror finds out and sees the evidence of your actions. The only reason you haven't been deleted yet is because we're having staff problems and unalbe to monitor everything right now.

drag · Post by **drag** » Sat Aug 31, 2002 1:49 am

i made teh name drag months before the staff problems started. and i didnt mix charectors. are YOU that thick headed. i can see were you think from, and not a bad point. but you werent with me every second i was playing. you didnt see meat people(some again, some new) you only know what you see from the boards. the only time that we have emat in the game was when you killed me, then lectured, then left.

Astral · Post by **Astral** » Sat Aug 31, 2002 2:21 am

Why can't you get it through your head that your name is not a valid name?! DRAG is a VERB!!! Because Dyluck got his name from a video game doesn't make it bad. I also got mine from a video game. What's wrong with that? If anything, it tells you that it is a GOOD name. You never see the name drag in a video game (not in any game that I have ever played, maybe it's from 'Revenge of the Verbs'). If you have a foggy understanding of the name rule, how are we supposed to take your word that you differentiated your characters?

PS: If you're wondering why you haven't been deleted, it is mainly because of the staff problem, and also because you have to consider how many different characters are created each day. You got lucky.

drag · Post by **drag** » Sat Aug 31, 2002 2:35 am

i made teh name drag BEFORE the staff problems!!! and a name can allways be changed by an e-mail. i might, i might not. i have recently been pondring a name change

drag
for the moment

Albernon · Post by **Albernon** » Sat Aug 31, 2002 3:56 am

Meanwhile you might also want to take a look at a PK. I think it was elf #20258.
On August 31 at a little before 3am gmt I think

Khanja · Post by **Khanja** » Sat Aug 31, 2002 4:47 am

I dont think the name is much of a worry, because some words can be good for names like an elf called 'Eol' which means 'hurried' in german. ( i know Eol as another char but i was using him as an example).

Astral · Post by **Astral** » Sat Aug 31, 2002 5:14 am

That is one of the cases where an english name turns out to be a german word, and there may be some cases of the opposite, but they are still names (to english speakers, and note the CAPITAL LETTER at the beginning of them...).

Niwatariel · Post by **Niwatariel** » Sat Aug 31, 2002 8:30 am

Dyluck, I think it's unfair to make a topic that openly makes another player down. Does it have any connection with you that his name doesn't fit here, or that he's (as you see it) using multiple chars? So why do you have to complain about him? Yeah maybe he's not the best roleplayer here, but, in my opinion, you don't have sufficient evidence against him that would justify a Deletion....You could make half a million topics saying "player 1 -26*** is a powergamer" First, its very hard to set a line between normal behavior and Powergaming, and Second, its very hard to prove that someone powergames.
Please stop hacking on this guy, i think unless you have evidence of something really bad that he did, just leave him being. Or do you want the people to make a topic "Delete Dyluck, he's a "Petze" " one day?

P.S. "Petze" is a german word of which i believe there is no english word that would fit good enough. It means something like: A person who sneaks on someone. Who tells the crimes of others to teachers, parents and so on
If anyone knows a word that fits post here please!

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Sat Aug 31, 2002 8:55 am

Quote: from Dyluck on 1:14 am on Aug. 31, 2002
I've caught him breaking rule number 11, trading items between his characters.

I hope you can delete him as soon as possible Bror. Any evidence you need on these two people can be found at about August 30th 11:55pm GMT

Can you not read Niwa?? Are you blind??
Sorry but you're making me very angry Niwa.

Niwatariel · Post by **Niwatariel** » Sat Aug 31, 2002 9:55 am

poor poor dyluck..... I'm making you angry because i have my own opinion? i see you have evidence....bror has... but of what? drag however said that he has traded items to another person amd this person has given it back to his other char, if i understand propperly. do you know better then him? if bror does, ok.
Maybe your making a big trouble for almost no reason.

@ drag: I don't defend you because i think what you're doing is right. I appeal to you: If you don't want to be deleted, behave more in the sense of Roleplaying. That means, not to break rules, always act like your role would, try to spell your words out correctly. These people like Dyluck can only help you if you listen to him. But if you don't listen, you show them you don't deserve a second chance.

I don't want to be involved into a big arguement, that isn't my business.

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Sat Aug 31, 2002 10:13 am

I didn't say you can't make your own opinion. But think about the example I gave you about the river. I put my hand in the river and tell you it's cold, and you never put your hand in the river and you say that the river is not cold??

So how do you know if drag is telling the truth or not Niwa? You also don't know if I am telilng the truth or not right? So how do we know? Only Bror can know, and he can only know to check if somebody tells him to check. So why don't you wait and see what Bror does and see what happens before you defend someone you don't know anything about.

It's the same example I told you about telling the police when you see something breaking the law, and letting the police to decide if he should be arrested or not. What is wrong with that?

(Edited by Dyluck at 1:19 am on Aug. 31, 2002)

Niwatariel · Post by **Niwatariel** » Sat Aug 31, 2002 10:37 am

alright, read my message....

Ney'Tara · Post by **Ney'Tara** » Sat Aug 31, 2002 1:21 pm

Dyluck, despite how much evidence you may have it is not appropriate to prosecute someone like this in public.

It's the same example I told you about telling the police when you see something breaking the law, and letting the police to decide if he should be arrested or not. What is wrong with that?
The wrong in that is that you're not telling the police about Drag's alleged crime, but you're telling the community about it. Such a thing is okay if it actually affects the public when it's a PK'er or something, that's like screaming that there's a robbery going. But Drag's breaking of the rules, especially rule 4 and 11 which do not immediately affect the community, are not a reason to accuse him like this in public. A mere PM or email to Bror to investigate and warn Drag about this would've sufficed

Niwatariel · Post by **Niwatariel** » Sat Aug 31, 2002 1:37 pm

I agree with Ney'Tara. what he/ she (sorry that can't be said by the name) said is exactly what i would have said if my english was up to it

drag · Post by **drag** » Sat Aug 31, 2002 7:30 pm

dyluck, you are using a one track mind, i see it fron you point of view, but fo you see it from mine?

Leonna · Post by **Leonna** » Sat Aug 31, 2002 9:13 pm

My opinion is that nothing's wrong with drag's name, except that first letter. It should be a capital... Drag sounds like a medieval fantasy name to me.

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Sat Aug 31, 2002 9:34 pm

@Ney'Tara: The reason I post in here is because have been staff problems lately and email usually don't get answered until days later. I post it here because I feel that it would be more quickly taken care of. It may be that I want this taken care quickly because this I despise this person and find him a nuisance, but that doesn't make it wrong to do your best against someone who breaks the rules. Just because you have a passive attitude to the alleged crimes of a person, doesn't make it wrong to tell the public. It is by your own standards that you say which crimes deserve to be told to the public or not. You are linient and I am strict in this regard, and in my opinion, the community deserves to know of the deeds of this person. You might say that it is unfair to ruin the reputation of someone before they are actually found guilty, but I saw the crime my own eyes, so therefore I have made the decision that this is a fact and can be made known to the public. I made this decision because I know the crime occured for a fact, as opposed to someone who did not see the crime themselves whom I would also criticize for making assumptions.

Erdrick · Post by **Erdrick** » Sat Aug 31, 2002 10:28 pm

Sure drag knew deats (which is a pretty lousy name, btw) or Harold of London (London is a RL place, NOT related to Illarion),
but did he know draglin?
I am with Dyluck on this one. drag has no idea what he is talking about. He might as well do what sean-san did... Make a whole new identity.
Lately I have seen a handful of people jump into Illarion with no clue what they are doing. To tell you all the truth, I did the same. But people learn. I learned quickly, in my opinion.
But how long will it take drag to learn? Can we bear that length of time it takes for him to learn?

mannelig_ · Post by **mannelig_** » Sat Aug 31, 2002 11:02 pm

drag is a VERB.....verbs cannot be used as names.....names cannot be used as verbs, its only proper for ANY language..thats a rule.....Casting in town is a playe rrule, but he does it after being warned......casting on your grains wont protect it, it will kill it no matter what spell you use. meeting characters shold be done RP, not "hay jack, I saw you at school plz intro me plz?" more like "hello sir, I was wondering what your name was" unless you have a GOOD rp reason, Eg
You met in another country and traveled together
You are a wizard of sorts and can use telepathic (or other) abilities (note, this is VERY hard and people WILL scrutinise you)

I'm with Dyluck and the others with this.....

Astral · Post by **Astral** » Sat Aug 31, 2002 11:54 pm

Dyluck's first post here did sound more like a demand than a suggestion, but he still does have a point. Drag has a history of bad RP like this, so I tend to believe Dyluck very easily on this one. I haven't seen drag much in-game, but he is no rolemodel at RP. Trading items between characters through another person doesn't make it alright. Drag could've walked up to the other person, said "give tihs to draglin", logged off and logged back on, and took the items. He could call that trading with another person who traded it back to him, and people would think it is ok because of that?

(Edited by Astral at 4:54 pm on Aug. 31, 2002)

drag · Post by **drag** » Sun Sep 01, 2002 2:33 am

i create draglin the day dyluck made this post, and had someone heop me get items to draglin. the items i cave to draglin, after tradeing to deats, was a sickle, 400g, and bottles. i whne on draglin, yes ti get teh items, them i got the books fro druids and made potions then traded tehm to deats, got on drag, and traded for tehj potions. it cost me more than it helped in the short term. i call t hat trading, so if im not a rolemodel for RP. i feel like i RP, i dont care what you think. i know i didnt break teh rules, and at the most just the name. if it will amke you happy, i will change the names! OK?

Mishrack · Post by **Mishrack** » Sun Sep 01, 2002 3:20 am

Dear dragling know that I will hunt you actively. You have insulted me, and will pay the price.

drag · Post by **drag** » Sun Sep 01, 2002 4:40 am

how have i insulted you mishrack?

Reda · Post by **Reda** » Sun Sep 01, 2002 6:40 am

I just wanted to join in on the cleansing of illarion. If someone could please do something about akiradiablo... He began by talking about "Game Masterz". When I attempted to explain the whole, marked OOC thing. He responded that he has played "RPs" longer than I had. He also said that he learned that it wasn't important to stay in character. After a bit more argueing I asked him what he though a role-playing game was and he said, "a game where you play roles". I then asked him what his role was and he said "Any role I want". He clearly doesn't understand the whole playing of roles concept. This occured roughly 00:45 GMT-01:25 GMT time. somewhere around there.

(Edited by Reda at 1:42 pm on Sep. 1, 2002)

drag · Post by **drag** » Sun Sep 01, 2002 6:48 am

role-playing means something different to all of us, some, more general and abstract than other, and they are punished. but why are we being punished for having a defferent mind path. all of you that truly want to cleanse illarion of wrongs and evils, open up some side roads in your mind. i had many, being a pholosipher. that is you dyluck is making this campaine. that is why he canoth see that i have done no wrong, but he will not listen. it is piontless to tery to reason with barbaric minds. we are evolving naturaly, mut most will not alow the change. the ones who do are assualted fro there differences. Reda, jsut forgive and forget. that is what i always do. Only if teh who world(real also) would do such a thing, there would be peace.

Drag, the casting dwarf

i hope that i havent rambled too much

Serpardum · Post by **Serpardum** » Sun Sep 01, 2002 9:01 am

#me sighs

akiradiablo came up to me while I was mining, and said that Reda was a hardass. I kinda ignored it, then he says something OOC, and I correct him on it. He says something like, "You too? Why are you guys so hard up on this OOC thing?" I just #me sighs. #me shakes his head. then I wandered off.

@drag: this whole IC/OOC thing has been going on for days as is starting to get annoying. Illarion is not an RPG. Illarion is a RP game. There *is* a difference. If people don't want to RP that is fine, go to some other game where it's not required.

Why do we care if you RP or not? Because we are trying to RP and stay in character and it is extremely hard to do when people are breaking character constantly. If you don't want to stay in character, just go to some other game. Then everyone is happy.

Mishrack · Post by **Mishrack** » Sun Sep 01, 2002 4:56 pm

ARGH! will you learn to separate your characters?!?!!!!
not you "drag", but dragling! your crude orcish fellow, who as soon as he heard my name insulted me...

Vindigan · Post by **Vindigan** » Sun Sep 01, 2002 10:01 pm

Quote: from Serpardum on 9:01 am on Sep. 1, 2002
Illarion is not an RPG. Illarion is a RP game. There *is* a difference.

Whats the difference? RPG = role playing game - - - RP game = role playing game..

Or did you mean somthing else?