Lyrenzia Foundation: Judicial trial / Gerichtsverfahren #29

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 5:07 pm

Paralisis is an offensive spell for Elaralith. There are plenty of accounts where she used Paralisis spells at the begining then an ice flame to finish the person off. And Xanthe said this.

Grant

The Returner · Post by **The Returner** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 5:41 pm

If both hobbits, and elaralith were casting, how can you tell who casted the ice field?

paul is inside of the ice field, he cant tell who casted it on him.

its entirely possible the hobbits casted the other fields as well, do you deny this?

~San~

Sir Gannon · Post by **Sir Gannon** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 10:28 pm

Im almost positive Elaralith casted no 'offensive' spells. She did cast paralze yes but that is still not considered a 'offensive' spell. SO thereofe she cannot be blamed for the killing. As for the second attack. I have no idea. I did leave the comotion for a short while to regain my thoughts and when I came back Paul said Elaralith shot him with a bow. Which he changed into a war axe... So I therefore conclude he cannot tell WHO killed him the second time. (( Paul you cannot prove it. Only way to prove who did it is to look at some server files and I dont think the GM's will for a RP situation. )) Hope this helps.

Signed,
Gannon

Algoran · Post by **Algoran** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 10:44 pm

Why bother with all this talk. Let the witch walk free. Even if she's found guilty she will not be "found" to punnish, though she strut through town like she all powerfull. She not attack Lyrenzia yet. Funny that.

((Unsigned))

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 11:44 pm

First of all, Sean, I am certain she was not healing me. I said that. Even if she was not casting the flames, she still killed me, because if I wasn't paralized, I could've walked out of the flames, thusly, not dying. Since I was paralized, I could only sit and watch my demise.

Gannon, the only reason I changed my account from bow to war axe is because of the people standing around me telling me it was with a war axe, viz., the two hobbits, Xanthe, and Arudhul.

I don't understand how you could possibly say that the stories don't match up. The only difference is that Elaralith claims to be defending the two hobbits, who I never killed in the first place, and I say that she was murdering me out of cold blood.

I want to hear a testimony from Gorluss.

Elaralith · Post by **Elaralith** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 12:06 am

Paul Laffing,
I would not even have paralyzed you if you had not threatened the hobbits with death. Even after your threat I did not cast paralyze on you only when you started moving towards the hobbits to carry out your threat did I cast paralyze to prevent you from murdering the hobbits who as far as my knowledge had done nothing to deserve murder.

Maybe if I had not paralyzed you you would have run away and not been killed, but then again maybe you would have hurt the hobbits who you threatened if I had not paralyzed you. Either way, I prefer having someone who threatened murder dying over innocent people who have done nothing from dying.

As for your death in the town, I have no idea why you are accusing me as I was nowhere near you at the time and was standing beside Aradhul and Gannon talking to you. First you accuse me of killing you with a bow now a waraxe. This is ridiculous as I don't know how to use either bow or axe, and I hardly carry around such items. Spells are the things I use not such things as axes and bows. There were many people around you at the time of your second death, why is it that you accuse me out of so many people? I don't understand it, but then you yourself are hardly understandable at times.

Defending the hobbits you say? I claim to defend noone. I claim to prevent you from murder which I did with a few paralysis spells.
Murder you out of cold blood? One can hardly call a few paralysis spells that.

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 12:13 am

Algoran wrote:Why bother with all this talk. Let the witch walk free. Even if she's found guilty she will not be "found" to punnish, though she strut through town like she all powerfull. She not attack Lyrenzia yet. Funny that.

Funny enough that she was sitting in prison while you were saying that.

Paul Laffing, which of the spells were casted on you first, the paralysis spell or the flame spell?

And give as much detail as possible of the conversation between you and the halfling where you supposedly "threatened" them.

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 12:44 am

Dyluck, and everyone else. Paul has made a very good point. If it wasn't for Elaralith casting paralisis spells Paul would have had a chance to get away. Elaralith had a part in his death. Possibly twice she killed Paul, though I don't think a self proclaimed priestess of Elara would carry a war axe. But who knows, one wouldn't think a self proclaimed priestess of Elara would burn down the Dwarf Town.

Grant

The Returner · Post by **The Returner** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 12:48 am

dont forget the defendants claim, had she NOT paralised him, he may have been the killer in this.

~San~

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 12:51 am

Right, he might have managed to work his way through two powerful mages constantly hammering him. Please San, I think it is fairly obvious that you are just argueing just to argue, you have no real good statements, just gibberish that has no base to it. Would any warrior be dumb enough to charge two mages infront of about 4 people, with Lyrenzia putting people away now?

Grant

Sir Gannon · Post by **Sir Gannon** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 1:06 am

Grant im afraid you have no right to put anymore 'helpfull' notes to this trial. YOU WERE NOT THERE. As simple as it gets. All you can do is read the stories and GO WITH THE ONE YOU LIKE. Therefore you cannot give any help here. So please stop posting you wise little snipits of wisdom. It is'nt helping. Let the judges decide. That's what there here for. Thank you.

Signed,
Gannon

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 1:11 am

The hobbits were casting on the castle. I was passing by, on my way to demon cave with Xanthe Talon, when I saw them, and an orc who was dead. I warned them that they were on private property and that they were in danger, knowing Darlok. The hobbits began to cast on me, so I said "Go now or die." They killed me and ran. I pursued them back to the tip of the river to see who they were and why that just happened. There, Elaralith was waiting with the two hobbits and Gannon. I said, "Don't move and no one will get hurt." The hobbits started to run, so I took a step forward. Elaralith started pummeling me with spells, and then the hobbits continued. I just know that Elaralith wasn't casting defensive spells on me, but whatever she cast, at least led to my demise. I believe paralizing spells were cast first, but my memory is a little fuzzy of that detail at the moment.

Elaralith never saw me make any threats on the hobbits. I never made any threats, just a general warning, "Go now or die," because I'm sure anyone, in the position of being cast on by strong spells, isn't going to say, "Pretty please don't kill me," except maybe Elaralith, in her godly state.

Elaralith told me, during the argument in town, that threatening is the same as killing. Five minutes later, Elaralith told me at least 3 times, "To leave the town or face death." If what she said was true, couldn't I charge her with many more cases of murder?

Athian · Post by **Athian** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 1:12 am

everyone argues, nothing gets done, thus is life in TrollsBane thanks to a certain few who love to make things harder then they must be....

~Athian Corulas~

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 1:14 am

Hm Gannon, you must not like it when Elaralith the killer goes to jail for her killings? It tisn't personally my dear friend. Just justice.

Grant

Sir Gannon · Post by **Sir Gannon** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 1:28 am

I take very few things 'personal' Grant don't worry. As for this it does'nt bother me who goes to jail as long as they deserved it. All im saying is that you were'nt therefore you cannot help with this trail in any way. Am I not right? I mean sure if you see LARGE differences in testimonys PLEASE bring them into veiw for the judges. But as you are now all you are doing is being a character witness. Which has very little to do with this case. As I was there and I saw what happened. Thanks.

Signed,
Gannon

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 1:30 am

Yes and it is obvious you are simple protecting Elaralith and trying to make her have little part in the murder. But infact she had a very large part in it. She stopped Paul from doing anything. For all we know, the hobbits could have lied about being threatened. After all, Paul was coming out of the shop was he not?

Grant

Sir Gannon · Post by **Sir Gannon** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 1:35 am

See you know not what you are talking about! He never entered the shop during the entire course of these events! This is why im saying you cannot help anymore. You were'nt there! You might want to re-read the accounts a few more times. The only reason im defending her is that she needs defending by someone who was a WITNESS. Unlike you Grant. Therefore please stop helping.

Signed,
Gannon

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 1:39 am

According to Paul, he was confronted by Elaralith when he exited the shop. Perhaps you didn't watch him the whole time.

Grant

Elaralith · Post by **Elaralith** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 7:15 am

Paul never exited any shop.

Aradhul · Post by **Aradhul** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 7:24 am

I was there the whole time in town Paul NEVER exited any shop.

Sir Gannon · Post by **Sir Gannon** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 8:22 am

I thought I was slowly loosing my mind... Yeah thats right he did'nt exit the shop... I never remembered him even near the shop other than standing in front of it arguing.

Signed,
Gannon

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 5:01 pm

Reads the new posts and sighs to himself

Right... One cannot defend another when that certain person lies to the defender... Paul your on your own.

Grant

Algoran · Post by **Algoran** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 7:38 pm

Dyluck I see you found out I wrote the note. I forgot your magics. Still, no matter. If it be true the witch is in prison then I am wrong and not afraid to say it. Not like some, I am sometime wrong.

Algoran.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Sat Aug 30, 2003 7:11 pm

Grant Herion wrote:Reads the new posts and sighs to himself

Right... One cannot defend another when that certain person lies to the defender... Paul your on your own.

Grant

I never ever said I exited any shops. All my statements portrayed me as being in front of the shop.

Bumbol Woodstock · Post by **Bumbol Woodstock** » Tue Sep 02, 2003 10:54 pm

What is the courts decision?

Bumbol Woodstock

Lyrenzia Foundation · Tue Sep 02, 2003 11:04 pm

The court of Lyrenzia has reached its verdict.

Elaralith has been found Not Guilty of both counts of attempting to kill Paul Laffing.

The 29th Judicial Trial of the Lyrenzia Foundation has hereby ended.

Some side notes from the court:
The court finds that in the situation that Paul Laffing threatened the two halflings without reason apparent to bystanders, an intervention through a paralyisis spell was justifiable.
It might have been possible to counter justify Paul Laffing's threats for being first attacked by the two halflings in question. However, there was not sufficient evidence that this in fact occured anyways.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Wed Sep 03, 2003 1:21 am

I believe that you, people of lyrenzia, have read the accounts wrong and should go over them again before making a verdict. Thank you.

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Wed Sep 03, 2003 1:27 am

If you think there is a mistake, point it out yourself.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Wed Sep 03, 2003 1:41 am

First of all, only two people witnessed me "threaten" the hobbits, and that was Xanthe and Gorluss (who we have yet to hear from). Elaralith acted on her own, with no or very little information on the prior events. I said that if no one moved, no one would get hurt, so Elaralith cast on me, leading to my death.

If there are 3 people trying to murder one person, would the person who is holding down the victim still responsible for the murder, ever though they didn't "kill" anyone? Of course. That is the role Elaralith played in this.

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Wed Sep 03, 2003 2:00 am

Aradhul wrote:Paul Laffing is a Liar. He threatened to kill 2 hafling and so Elaralith stopped him. He was also asked to leave the little gathering alone he did not and started to insult many who where there.

~Aradhul Rythwier~

Elaralith wrote:Here are the events through my eyes:

I was in the town by the shop talking with Gannon and Aradhul when two hobbits came into the town shouting about "crushing the Movement". I was curious as were Gannon and Aradhul and we went with the hobbits to see what it was they were talking about. As we traveled north we encountered Paul Laffing who said "Stop now and noone will get hurt". Then he threatened to kill the hobbits, and started moving towards them. As I had seen the hobbits do nothing wrong but were now being threatened by Paul Laffing and perhaps about to be attacked by him I merely used a couple of paralyze spells to keep Paul immobile. The hobbits then killed Paul.

paul laffing wrote:Here is how it happened, as I saw it.

I was going to the demon cave with Xanthe Talon when I saw two hobbits casting flames on the castle. I warned them that that was private property, and they might not want to be caught on it. They cast on me, so I warned them to "leave or die". They continued casting on me until I was dead. Then, they fled to town, where I followed them to confront them and straighten this out. I met them halfway to town, with Elaralith and Gannon. The hobbits starting to run, so I told them "Stop now and no one will get hurt". Elaralith started casting on me, and the hobbits did the same.

I think that might add up to more than only 2 people who testified your threat.

I will remind you that, in your haze you were unable to even identify what spells Elaralith had casted on you. The testimonies from the rest of the witnesses indicate that it was only paralyze spells, and that they had came before you were hit by other spells. At the moment of paralysis, there is no indication of the intention to kill you, nor the knowledge of your eventual demise at the hand of the other two halflings.