Drought = shit.

Hermie · Post by **Hermie** » Sun Aug 03, 2003 4:17 pm

I think this drought thing should stop, soon. There are no herbs anywhere, its much harder to mine, and the really stupid thing is this:

THERE IS NO SAND IN THE DESERT!

Then what is it then? I'm sure this would impress new people in the game if they dont know why it's messed up.

Anyway, it's just pissing me off. Bye.

Keikan Hiru · Post by **Keikan Hiru** » Sun Aug 03, 2003 4:20 pm

Giving you a large and global Quest is "shit" for you?

Illarion is not static, it has a fluent gameplay. Currently all ressources are valuable because there is a huge lack of them.

You cry when its borring.
You cry when items have no worth.

You cry when things change.

Good bye.

Faramier · Post by **Faramier** » Sun Aug 03, 2003 4:21 pm

Why dont you do that and stop yelling at the GM for actually making the world more dynamic, true the whole no sand in the desert is a bit confusing but so?

Keikan Hiru · Post by **Keikan Hiru** » Sun Aug 03, 2003 4:22 pm

Sand isnt equaly "Quarzsand", sometimes its really just Sand.

Hermie · Post by **Hermie** » Sun Aug 03, 2003 4:22 pm

Yes, it is shit when it takes so friggin long. I don't remember crying though. And I'm not yelling at the GM. Just needed to get something off my chest.

Keikan Hiru · Post by **Keikan Hiru** » Sun Aug 03, 2003 4:23 pm

It takes as long as the Players need to solve it, one way or another.
Remember that.

Hermie · Post by **Hermie** » Sun Aug 03, 2003 4:24 pm

So you mean the people who sabotage the castle are making it take longer?

Keikan Hiru · Post by **Keikan Hiru** » Sun Aug 03, 2003 4:26 pm

I didnt say anything about that, its just that you need to find any way to solve the quest.

There are plenty of possibilities, pick one and try it.

Cain Freemont · Post by **Cain Freemont** » Sun Aug 03, 2003 4:39 pm

I think I have to agree with Hermie. Its true that many people complain just to complain, but my reasoning is that its really just getting dull. I'm not that upset about it or anything...and I will do what's needed... but it certainly isn't a quest like the one with Verashnia. Even though I lost almost all my skills from that, I still enjoyed it. Maybe its because I knew all of what was going on...maybe there was more action and things to do rather than just waiting around... I dunno. The drought is just boring me. I'm not complaining about the value of things, I'm not complaining about the lack of things to do (because I dont have any skills to do anything anyway), but I am complaining that the option of work is basically completely unavailable to me... and ALL the trees are cut down so I can't even try carpentry...

Faramier · Post by **Faramier** » Sun Aug 03, 2003 4:51 pm

you could say the drought is forced RP, but then im not complaining.

Arkadia Misella · Post by **Arkadia Misella** » Sun Aug 03, 2003 5:35 pm

I always felt the drought is forced rp. But that is just me.

Keikan Hiru · Post by **Keikan Hiru** » Sun Aug 03, 2003 5:39 pm

Cain Freemont wrote:I think I have to agree with Hermie. Its true that many people complain just to complain, but my reasoning is that its really just getting dull. I'm not that upset about it or anything...and I will do what's needed... but it certainly isn't a quest like the one with Verashnia. Even though I lost almost all my skills from that, I still enjoyed it. Maybe its because I knew all of what was going on...maybe there was more action and things to do rather than just waiting around... I dunno. The drought is just boring me. I'm not complaining about the value of things, I'm not complaining about the lack of things to do (because I dont have any skills to do anything anyway), but I am complaining that the option of work is basically completely unavailable to me... and ALL the trees are cut down so I can't even try carpentry...

Well, Cain, do something against it. Dont just sit arround and say its dull.
If you say you cant do anything, than you are wrong.

GMs and Quest Members wont shout Informations how to end Quest the fast and easy way in your face.

Ask, collect Information, interact, think, ... that are the qualties we want to see in a Roleplay.

A simply "Go out, find Monster, kill it, Collect remainings, bring back, Quest solved" wont happen.

The more agitate in that Quest the better it gets. The less partizipate the longer it will last.

Its all up to YOU.

P.S.: This does not aim to the Player of Cain entirely.

Edit:

Is winter in RL also "forced RP" for you?

Hermie · Post by **Hermie** » Sun Aug 03, 2003 6:05 pm

"Is winter in RL also "forced RP" for you?"

There I was thinking we were playing a game!

To hell with fantasy. You tell us what a fantasy is and leave us to deal with it. Why not make it just like real life? Where once you have died, that's it! Let's make it so that some people have to stay poor all their lived and other people don't.

If this is supposed to be a medieval fantasy rpg, please dont compare it to RL.

Frankly I would find a hack and slash more interesting than finding out what to do in a drought.

YAY! I am walking round talking to people trying to find out what's happening. Oh look! There is no one online who knows anything about the drought anyway! Hmm what shall I do now? I know I will just stand here doing nothing for a couple of hours until someone arrives!

Save me from the excitement!!!

Keikan Hiru · Post by **Keikan Hiru** » Sun Aug 03, 2003 6:25 pm

Player1: "Look the moon is to bright tonight!"
Player2: "No ! The sun is shining!"
Player1: "Are you kidding!? I can see the moon up in the sky!"
Player2: "Calling me blind 'eh? I can see the burning sun!"

....

Player1: "((Dont force your damn roleplay on me! It is night!))"
Player2: "((Its your forced roleplay!!! It is bright daytime!!!))"

Some natural happenings are 'forced' to your Characters so they cannt ignore them.
Dought is one of them.

As in reality Day/Night and the seasons are forced upon you, even in Illarion global natural changes will happen to each of your Characters equaly.
Deal with it.

Faramier · Post by **Faramier** » Sun Aug 03, 2003 6:50 pm

Stop being ungrateful hermie, if you dont like it, fix it or leave untill its fixed.

Cain Freemont · Post by **Cain Freemont** » Sun Aug 03, 2003 8:28 pm

Keikan Hiru wrote:
Cain Freemont wrote:I think I have to agree with Hermie. Its true that many people complain just to complain, but my reasoning is that its really just getting dull. I'm not that upset about it or anything...and I will do what's needed... but it certainly isn't a quest like the one with Verashnia. Even though I lost almost all my skills from that, I still enjoyed it. Maybe its because I knew all of what was going on...maybe there was more action and things to do rather than just waiting around... I dunno. The drought is just boring me. I'm not complaining about the value of things, I'm not complaining about the lack of things to do (because I dont have any skills to do anything anyway), but I am complaining that the option of work is basically completely unavailable to me... and ALL the trees are cut down so I can't even try carpentry...

Well, Cain, do something against it. Dont just sit arround and say its dull.
If you say you cant do anything, than you are wrong.

GMs and Quest Members wont shout Informations how to end Quest the fast and easy way in your face.

Ask, collect Information, interact, think, ... that are the qualties we want to see in a Roleplay.

A simply "Go out, find Monster, kill it, Collect remainings, bring back, Quest solved" wont happen.

The more agitate in that Quest the better it gets. The less partizipate the longer it will last.

Its all up to YOU.

P.S.: This does not aim to the Player of Cain entirely.

God, I knew you would say this. Don't you think I have been trying to solve it? And I never asked for a damn "go out, kill monster, collect remains, quest solved" quest either, damn it! I used the wraith quest as an example. In fact, when the hell HAVE we had a kill quest? Maybe that's why everyone is so damn bored. Some characters are the intellectual types who solve puzzles such as this drought.. and just about every other quest. But what about those fighter types? What do they get for a quest? They get to defend the intellectuals from the rot worms and demons that the GM's summon. There needs to be a time where the fighters actually have the opportunity to take the offensive. And.. as hermie said... playing a hack n' slash game sounds more interesting than trying to figure out how to fix a drought...

Keikan Hiru · Post by **Keikan Hiru** » Sun Aug 03, 2003 8:41 pm

This does not aim to the Player of Cain entirely.

Pick what appeals to you. Dont think I talk only to you all the time.

If the Fighters want to hack 'n slash, go out and attack Darlok or whoever is your opponent in this time.

Just make something.

Ganidor · Post by **Ganidor** » Sun Aug 03, 2003 9:19 pm

I totaly agree with Hermie, no doubt.

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Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Sun Aug 03, 2003 9:29 pm

I think get tired while mining thing should be in illarion forever. The only annoying thing ive found (which has nothing to do with the drought) is that if you try to make something you don't have to tools for it uses your iron and coal anyway. I'm still wondering what tools I need for some of these things, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Also I was wondering if since you needed "extra things" which I won't say, to blacksmith certain items, does it raise any skill besides blacksmithing?

Aradhul · Post by **Aradhul** » Sun Aug 03, 2003 10:17 pm

I find the Drought fun. I mean you have to think of how to get the materials that you need and still make a profit off of them. I just bought many herbs for 5 ignots. If you are a carpenter find somebody with wood and buy it. THe only wierd thing that I have found that even though there is a drought there is a ton of fish.

Whoever said there is no wood they are right there is no more wood on the entire island that can be used as logs. I have searched everywhere for it and none at all

Cain Freemont · Post by **Cain Freemont** » Sun Aug 03, 2003 10:18 pm

Keikan Hiru wrote:

Well, Cain, do something against it.

Its all up to YOU.

P.S.: This does not aim to the Player of Cain entirely.

You can NOT say that was not directed at me.

Caranthir the great · Sun Aug 03, 2003 10:21 pm

I think, he ment 'the players' with that you.

Keikan Hiru · Post by **Keikan Hiru** » Sun Aug 03, 2003 10:22 pm

Isnt the German Word "Euch" also translated with the English Word "You" ?

The German Sentance is:

"Es liegt an Euch."

Caranthir the great · Sun Aug 03, 2003 10:24 pm

"You" as plural, I think so.
Even though I am not a native english speaker

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Sun Aug 03, 2003 10:33 pm

I beleive he meant "YOU" directed twards the players of illarion.

Belegi · Post by **Belegi** » Sun Aug 03, 2003 11:31 pm

Greetings to all of you,
I can´t believe what I´m reading! Am I right, some of you complain about this drought-quest?!

This quest is the best quest I encountered in Illarion ever, it´s a giant opportunity for everyone to rp in a far greater scale then before. There are so many people involved, it´s so much work for the gms and you complain that you can´t cut wood or dig for sand anymore?! Hell, why do you play this game? To shift click shovel, shift click desert?!

Maybe your character isn´t satisfied with this situation, but that should be another reason to solve this puzzle. Maybe you don´t feel enough envolved and would like to know more? Why don´t you simply ask someone ingame?

Arr, I play a female dwarf, wielding an axe all the time and believe me, there is a opportunity for all to participate, even for the dumbest characters. And what more do you want to fight then about 50 rotworms, attacking the town? And why are you so sure that this quest can´t be solved by hack and slay? Have you even tried?

Well, I know, many of you will post posts like "you didn´t get my point", but I don´t mind. If you want other quests, then, why don´t you create your own? I´m sure that our GMs would be glad if you bring up something similar, they are tearing their ass*s apart (reißen sich die Är*che auf) without earning a cent to make this quest possible.

Forced rp... Sure this is sort of "forced rp", as it is forced rp that you encounter a demon in the demon cave or that you´re dead if you fall from the roof of the library. But nevermind, if you consider this quest too annoying to play on, well, try out another game.

Why don´t you post something like "Drought=nice, but I have an idea for a quest, far more interesting for characters that don´t have the patience to solve problems?"? No, it´s "GM´s work=shit", very encouraging for those poor guys that created this world, unique all over the world, in their sparetime and at their own financial costs!

Maybe I´m a bit too upset, if I missed something, please, correct me, this whole topic is not about constructive critism but destructive critism, ain´t I right?

Yours Belegi

Draakon · Post by **Draakon** » Sun Aug 03, 2003 11:56 pm

Having played other games that are free and similar to this if not near as fun usually when you complain and even worse when you don't but ask to get like a major bug fixed that is totally disrupting the game for you here are some common awnsers:

"Go play something else"
"Shut up"
"Stop whining"
"It is not your game"
"We don't HAVE to do anything"
"The game is free you have no say"
"You don't like that? Shame for you now shut up, stop whining the game is free you have no say we own it go play something else cause you are banned"

GMs are very active in Illarion compared to other games and they actually care enough to even reply to these things, if you want to reduce their caring and civil manner to the above just keep complaining. All the above does make sence do remember that. We do not pay anything to play, the owners of the game is the ones that created it with their own hands bought all they needed and created a game for other people to enjoy and give their time to keep it enjoyable. So some things may not be to everyones liking, who says it has to be? Only a few people own this game and can do with it whatever they want to. They are spending a ton of time programming, adding new things and planning for the future and also making a quest for us. There is really no reason to complain about anything and if you think so please read some of the above...

I think all the GMs are doing a good job to put this quest together and I hope to see more in the future.

Aradhul · Post by **Aradhul** » Mon Aug 04, 2003 12:00 am

Yes the GM's are doing an excellent job. They work hard for this game to be fun. The drought yes it is getting kind off old so we the players of the game must do something to solve the problem. I just have one question why in a drought are there alot of fish??

Salathe · Post by **Salathe** » Mon Aug 04, 2003 12:06 am

no wait hermie, your wrong about one thing, you can still herb lore in some places, the draught hasnt affected the whole island yet

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Mon Aug 04, 2003 12:18 am

salathe is right, just going to the right places and you would be able to find herbs.

i agree completly with belegis and drakoons post