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Hagen von Rabenfeld
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Post by Hagen von Rabenfeld »

@Bloodhearte
I will give you an example what might happen if a GM is too much involved in roleplay of normal players, although no friends of him were involved and although his char stayed neutral. A few weeks ago Ferdinand Kohlberg attacked Hagen and Keikan witnessed that. I slayed him and afterwards he came back and in the following conversation he confessed being a thief, so Keikan and Hagen put him into prison. Technically. Then Ferdinand accused Hagen of a unjustified attack against himself and during the trial we had the problem that Keikan witnessed that Ferdinand attacked me first but couldnt contribute to the trial. Hagen tried to proof his innocence and pointed out that Ferdinand was put to prison which implies that someone with the authority to do that, witnessed Ferdinands confession, which Keikan did. The situation would demand that the Char Keikan would speak as a witness, but as a GM he couldnt, that would have destroyed the story and there would have never been a chance that Hagen would be punished unjustifiedly. We three roleplayed the scene as Ferdinand was put into prison(tears,,,pleads for mercy,,,attempts to flee :D ) and Keikan did his best to stay neutral, but he simply couldnt know that Ferdinand would try to use the court against Hagen. So there were loose ends IG and strange situations. You might say the better way to get a plausible current of events would be just to play along-->contributing to the trial, but wouldnt that have been unfair to Ferdinand as the GMs know who attacked first?

@Moathia
I understand your frustration but the problem is not the attitude of the players but the situation. The more chars are involved in a scene the more difficult it gets to translate, especially when not only talking but action is involved too or a change of locations. Noone wants to miss whats going on. Another problem is that i cant translate what i cant read anymore because the screen is filled with comments and #me`s of dozens of different players. As we received Darloks "offer" at the ogres castle we talked english and translated. This was possible because we were about 8-10 chars and some were quite fluent in both languages. To express a complex thought in a foreign language, as was necessary during the meeting is not easy and takes its time. Consider it took me half an hour to write this text for which you would need about 5-10 minutes. My proposal is to grab yourself a german player who speaks english well and make a one on one conversation.
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Elaralith
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Post by Elaralith »

I strongly agree with Moathia...
It seems every time there is a quest it is German and the English speakers are left out.
I have been here a long time and been through many quests and each time it is the same. The quest is in German and I don't know about it (and most of the other english too) until it is almost finished.
As well when I do get to know about it the actual talking of the quest is in German and I don't have any fun because I don't understand a thing.
Sometimes when I am lucky I have a friend IC who translates for me but that is rare and it still cuts down on the Rp....

My proposal is this: As it seems most of the German speakers can communicate in English fairly well, can we please have quests and such important events spoken in english and the message for the quest broadcasted on the boards in english?!?

As for GMs, I really like the outlook Keikan as for being a GM and the way he acts as GM. A GM should not become involved in the Rp because as Keikan mentioned a GM with all his/her powers can affect the Rp in a negative way. GMs as neutral OOC chars that are around to help in OOC matters is a good thing and it should stay this way!
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Grant Herion
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Post by Grant Herion »

You know, I think it is just the German players making up quests, so of course it will mostly be in German. Anyone can make up a quest, it needs to be good for a GM to help you out in it. But anyone can make a quest. Have English players make a quest and people will be happy.
Plus, there are many different timezones, and if a German player made a quest of coure he/she will make sure that the timezone fits well with his/her schedule. So of course there will be people left out.
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Post by Galim »

@elaralith
who have told you that the most german players where able to speak english well? iam a german player and my english is very bad. if i taking part at a quest i want to roleplay. the right style of your language is a part of roleplay. but iam not able to speak in english like i would speak in german because of that my english rolepay where not so good as my german roleplay. by the way, at the quest i have translated the english words for some german player who weren't able to understand english. ya see the german players would have the same problem like the english players.
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Elaralith
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Post by Elaralith »

I have spoken with you ingame Galim! And I think your english is excellent! What do you mean you have bad english? :shock: I have seen many natve english speakers with grammar worse than yours.
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Post by Galim »

ah, ya know the situation last night where i was too rude too ya? i wasn't rude because of roleplay i was rude because i wasn't able to finde the right words in english *g* (and i have used a dictianary while we have spoken. never speak a foreign language if ya are sleepy ;) ). ya see, the roleplay can get miserable if ya haven't the mood or spirital capacity for an other language.
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Tamurom
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Post by Tamurom »

@Hagen: First of all, I don't understand why Keikan put the theif in jail for the in-game crime of thief. As a GM if Keikan is not invovled in the roleplaying, then he shouldn't be putting people to jail for RP crimes if his character was not working for the government or something, and his name is not listed under Lyrenzia anywhere. So why was this character putting people into jail anyways?

Secondly what is wrong with Keikan confessing in a trial? His character is just the same as any other person in the eyes of other characters, so they don't need to take his word 100% just because OOC he is a GM.

There is no problem of roleplaying with others if you have special powers as long as you know how to use them properly and other people can roleplay properly.
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Post by Wryvren »

Just a little idea from me... couldn't we have two "wise" npcs, one speaking english, one speaking german, and each knows "mystically" about the most important events going on at the time. If there's some kind of quest that's happening, they would be able to tell you what you need to know.
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