Names: Illegitimate

Cain Freemont · Post by **Cain Freemont** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 12:19 am

Saying your name is not in some way derived from the illarion goddess is a complete lie. You told me before that your name meant "Of Elara" which clearly would come from such. Just stop it, you're not going to change anything.

Maktan: Who said I was insulting anyone? To be honest, you can look at almost any thread of Elaralith's of the past and see that pattern. I was just explaining why I thought that was not going to end so easily. Sorry if I somehow confused you.

Elaralith · Post by **Elaralith** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 12:43 am

Maktan you are right....
Cain you shouldn't insult me.

@Cain This is OOC, but I since you have brought up some IC details I will indulge a bit.
Do you think Elaralith is stupid? I Rp a highly intelligent elf in game and Elaralith has never told Cain (who she does not trust him being Drow) a single important, true thing about herself to him. I hope that helps you get over the fact that the name "Elaralith" does not mean "Of Elara" at all.
There are other IC reasons which I will not reveal OOC for this.
Btw, don't bother trying to insult me on the boards I am not going to respond.

Cain Freemont · Post by **Cain Freemont** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 1:17 am

Elaralith wrote:
Maktan you are right....
Cain you shouldn't insult me.

@Cain This is OOC, but I since you have brought up some IC details I will indulge a bit.
Do you think Elaralith is stupid? I Rp a highly intelligent elf in game and Elaralith has never told Cain (who she does not trust him being Drow) a single important, true thing about herself to him. I hope that helps you get over the fact that the name "Elaralith" does not mean "Of Elara" at all.
There are other IC reasons which I will not reveal OOC for this.
Btw, don't bother trying to insult me on the boards I am not going to respond.

God damn it, stop it! You do this every god damned time I say something, you always try to make me look bad. I didn't insult you in any way. You can read any damn thread that has us in it and see you trying to mock me and make me look stupid! Damn it! I was only talking about board experiences for God's sake! I couldn't care less about what you do IC unless it violates rules! Also, you've not only told me, but have mentioned it on the boards before I am pretty sure. And if you're insulted by the damn truth then that's your frickin' problem, not mine! I was just pointing out what happens every god damn time you pull something like this!

You know what? Don't even bother responding to this because I am not listening anymore. You're only going to bash me some more anyway. Don't message me anything, don't PM me. Don't talk to me in Illarion. I don't want to hear from you again.

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 1:35 am

Elaralith, if you name means "Of Elara" I would think that your character would be much like Elara: Wise and Knowledgeable, but also kind. But your character is really aggresive and snobby.

Bei Tian Kensai · Post by **Bei Tian Kensai** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 1:37 am

Dont worry..I still love you Elaralith..

Caranthir the great · Post by **Caranthir the great** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 1:38 am

Rules
1. A character MUST have at least one first name and CAN have any amount of surnames
2. First names and surnames start with an uppercase letter
3. First names may NOT include existing words
4. Surnames may NOT include any modern words
5. No names of well known persons from real life (RL) are allowed (gamemaster's decision)
6. You must be able to speak the name (i.e. there must be some vowels in it)
7. There are no spaces behind a name and no double spaces between parts of the name
8. A title is NOT part of a name - it belongs to the title field
9. Every first name and surname must consist of more than one character
10. No letter is repeated more than three times in a row
11. The whole name may not include numbers (neither arabian nor roman)

Now, Elaralith. Where does it say that name 'Caranthir' is not valid?
If you insist on complaining about breach in the rules, you better actually READ the rules.
It says nowhere that you _must_ be original and productive (It is suggested however). The claim that 'Elaralith' was not intentionally taken from Elara (which I don't believe, but nevermind that) doesn't change the fact that it is equally 'bad'. Unintentionalness does not undo the crime, drunk drivers get charged too, regardless of the fact that they did not mean to hit anyone, so why should you?

Moathia · Post by **Moathia** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 1:53 am

Just a little info for you, lith, in elvish means ash. Just an interesting fact you should know.

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 1:55 am

Elaralith, if you were to say that your character was made to be a worshipper of Elara for all her life then it would be ok to have her name. But since you do not act like a worshipper of Elara, strikeing out at Bumbol, calling people fools, and attacking Cain, you cannot say that.

Elaralith · Post by **Elaralith** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 2:22 am

@Grant Stop spamming please before your board account gets deleted.
I have already revealed that the name "Elaralith" does not mean "Of Elara" ...it is an elven word that means something you will just have to find out ingame. My character Elaralith was not made out to be a worshipper of Elara all her life: she was made out to be a scholar. I am not going to reveal more about Elaralith's background...I save that for Rp.

@Moathia Shhh....now you don't want all these non-elves to know everything we elves talk about do you?

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@Caranthir Look at this

Krrukz Skullcrusher (as a name for a halfling) (suggestion C, halflings

That is under "bad names". Your name "Caranthir" violates is a bad name in TWO ways. One you took it from a book. Two it is the name of an elf and you made it the name of a dwarf in game.

Now tell me how is the name "Elaralith" (which I was not derived from the name "Elara" - I don't care what you believe at all) is a bad name.

Moathia · Post by **Moathia** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 2:26 am

I was just telling them, that your name has nothing to do with the word of.

Burin · Post by **Burin** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 3:47 am

I think that Caranthir should stay as it is. It has been Caranthir for a long time now. I don't think it will kill anyone if the name is not changed. I'm sure someone already said this, but I'll say it again to remind you...

Even if the player of Caranthir got this name from a book, it isn't like it is a well-known book. He didn't take it off of the Lord of the Ring movie. I never knew myself that the name was some elf from a book.

Adano Eles · Post by **Adano Eles** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 9:32 am

I won't rename my char just because somewhere on this world is a town which has the same name. We have millions of cities, towns and villages on this planet and each one has a name so the chance of creating a name that already exists is quite high, as yu have to admit.
It is not a matter of wheather it exists or not, but of how well known th name is and how it sounds and fits to the chosen race. Firenze does not sound like a name in my ears, Adano Eles does. Caranthir might be the name of an elf, but it also fits to a dwarf.

Bloodhearte · Post by **Bloodhearte** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 9:59 am

Elara...lith...Elara...ash? She's made from some ash blessed by Elara? I'm confused, but with my characters being so hostile, it would be difficult to extract an answer in a roleplaying manner. Now, you made me miss a good Deftones song, so I will not continue on this argument any further in fear of missing...well...more good songs.

On a final note, we should probably be less strict with the naming rules. Can't we just be happy we have people that roleplay well, and not have idiots running around with names like 'LinkinPark23214342?' A name like Runs Like Mountain probably sounds pretty bad, but there are people around the world that earn tribal names like that. I think it would be fine so long as you didn't give yourself a great title without earning it, such as "Bob Bobathan the Great."

Caranthir the great · Fri Jul 25, 2003 11:44 am

I said it before and say again, read the rules.

Your name "Caranthir" violates is a bad name in TWO ways.

Wrong.

One you took it from a book.

Take look at the first sentence of my post, still with me? Good. Now, take look at the name rules. There you should be able to spot the section 'suggestions'. These are suggestions, you.. do know what suggestion means, don't you?
I don't have to be original and productive, it is just suggested so.

Two it is the name of an elf and you made it the name of a dwarf in game.

Repeat the previous, now where on the Illarion page it says that Caranthir is elven name? Exactly, now I am NOT going to have my name changed no matter what you say. Period. End of discussion.

If you insist that your roleplaying is disturbed, I think it describes your quite well your abilities to roleplay in the first place.

Player of Caranthir, who is not going to change his name.

Elaralith · Post by **Elaralith** » Sun Jul 27, 2003 3:40 am

@Bloodhearte That is what disturbs me. The new players are being subjected to very harsh name rules, while a whole lot of the old players get to continue on with their horrible names (as corresponds to the current name rules).

@Adano For there to be fairness it can't be based on opinion whether a name is good or not. Because you see you may think Firenze doesn't sound like a good name but I certainly do (and I have seen it as a name before...). If it is all based on opinion then what if I think that "Adano" is a bad name should you have to change?

@Caranthir I said it before too and I will say it again, read the rules.
Reading your post I don't know what to say. You say "wrong" but with no reasoning behind why you think it is "wrong"

...needless to say I won't respond to just mindless rantings of "wrong".

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Sun Jul 27, 2003 3:48 am

Can someone please just ban Elaralith's board account? She has gotten into lots of verbal fights OOC. She has lied about me. And she seems to get under a ton of peoples skins.

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Sun Jul 27, 2003 3:53 am

It doesn't need to be permanent, just maybe a week. I mean, she has broken many a rule.

Elaralith · Post by **Elaralith** » Sun Jul 27, 2003 4:12 am

@Grant Hmmm....I think you should be banned from the boards. Reasons?
-Spamming
-Harrassing me OOC
-Insulting me OOC
-Going to every thread I post in and adding your own little snide comment
More reasons but I am too lazy to post them.

There are quite a good number of OOC friends I have who don't like your insults and so on.

So should you be banned because I and a goodly number of people think you should be?

Maybe you should.

Burin · Post by **Burin** » Sun Jul 27, 2003 4:13 am

Elaralith, you seem to really want that name changed. It isn't going to kill you, so just let it be. Caranthir is a fine name. Quit worrying about it please.

Elaralith · Post by **Elaralith** » Sun Jul 27, 2003 4:15 am

Don't you think that if a name like Firenze etc. are unacceptable then names like Caranthir etc. should not be allowed as well?

Btw. I have nothing personal against the particular name Caranthir I am just using it as an example
(So Caranthir please don't feel I am deliberately picking on you and feel offended)

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Sun Jul 27, 2003 6:07 pm

Elaralith, I am not insulting you, show me somewhere I insulted you OOC. I am not harassing you, I am asking the GMs to ban you for breaking the rules on the boards. Plain and simple.

Roke · Post by **Roke** » Sun Jul 27, 2003 8:03 pm

Just to make it easier here are the name rules:

A character MUST have at least one first name and CAN have any amount of surnames

First names and surnames start with an uppercase letter

First names may NOT include existing words

Surnames may NOT include any modern words

No names of well known persons from real life (RL) are allowed (gamemaster's decision)
You must be able to speak the name (i.e. there must be some vowels in it)

There are no spaces behind a name and no double spaces between parts of the name

A title is NOT part of a name - it belongs to the title field

Every first name and surname must consist of more than one character

No letter is repeated more than three times in a row

The whole name may not include numbers (neither arabian nor roman)

Caranthir the great · Post by **Caranthir the great** » Wed Jul 30, 2003 8:31 pm

I would be weak if I'd be offended by you, Elaralith.

@Roke

Exactly.

My name violates no rule, therefore I can't see a problem with it.

Maktan Hardtooth. · Post by **Maktan Hardtooth.** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:38 am

Haha I see it now. All her posts have a hidden meaning. She constatly says that if the rules are like this then it should be like that for everyone. Her hidden meaning is that the rukes are too strict, and she is picking some of the greatest roleplayers as examples.

Miliae Alquaria · Post by **Miliae Alquaria** » Fri Aug 01, 2003 10:46 am

Personally, I think, if the older players made their names under the old rules, then there is no reason to change them. In fact, players changing their names will disturb the role playing more than anything, since they will somehow have to tell everyone who used to know them that their name changed...

Galdriel · Post by **Galdriel** » Fri Aug 01, 2003 11:15 am

The point is:
Namerules are always somewhat fluent, which means it is up to us to decide.

Elaralith · Post by **Elaralith** » Sat Aug 02, 2003 7:16 pm

So a name like "Simon Templer" you can decide is not good because it comes from some little known movie.

But a name like Fedaykin or Caranthir which both come from popular books and have been applied horribly you think is okay?
Fedaykin is the term for desert warriors in the book Dune and it is used for a human char.
Caranthir was the name of a male elf and it was used for a male dwarf.
Both these are worse than "Simon Templer" yet Simon Templer was deemed 'not okay' while the above were deemed fine.

Also, a name like "Firenze" is not okay because it is the name of some little known town in Italy? But then a name like "Sherwood" is okay even though it is the name a well known forest from Robin Hood tales?

I don't think this is too fair...

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Sat Aug 02, 2003 7:33 pm

yes, and a name Elaralith coming from the word Elara which is a god in a game called Illarion is allowed, while a name like Caranthir coming from a book in the real world that not everyone has read is acceptable? What kind of game is this?! (saracism)

Mandil Aglandol · Post by **Mandil Aglandol** » Sat Aug 02, 2003 8:41 pm

just hush Elaralith, what is fair, is what the GMs decide, not what you think, so you should just hush and go about your business instead of always complainin complainin complainin!

GROAAR!

*runs through the town naked slaping random people to vent his frustration*

Caranthir the great · Post by **Caranthir the great** » Sat Aug 02, 2003 9:48 pm

But a name like Fedaykin or Caranthir which both come from popular books and have been applied horribly you think is okay?

Yes.