Bad Roleplaying and Pking!

John Laffing · Post by **John Laffing** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 12:07 am

Paul Laffing fired me for not working, when I went gathering herbs, making bottles, and making potions. Then he made a "No selling to former employees" rule so that my friend, Deats, could not sell me bottles. Paul also passed wrong information, making Deats believe that I did not do any work for Paul and that I also asked for pay. I did not do anything other than work for a long time. I never mentioned pay at anytime. When I tried to explain this to Deats, he threatened to kill me if I didn't leave him and Paul. Then Paul also threatened to kill me. When I overheard Paul telling Deats that I was an idiot, I responded that he was the idiot for firing me for doing absolutely nothing wrong. Paul then came over as Deats followed and attacked me. I was forced to log out, because I knew I would not stand a chance against Paul and Deats. What do you think?

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 12:14 am

paul and deats have done good rp, you have done bad rp because you locked of. paul and deats have plaid theire role, and you have logged out to flee for the fight, that wasn't good rp. and this isn't a theme for this forum, discuss this with paul and deats ingame.

and i don't see any pk-ing, sorry. if the have want to kill you without reason, and several times, than it would be pk-ing. but they have plaid a role, and they haven't kill you, right?

John Laffing · Post by **John Laffing** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 12:20 am

I only logged out because Paul keeps wanting to attack me. Why should I risk my death for a reason that is not true. He fired me and wants to kill me for not working and asking for pay. I did neither. I worked very long to make potions, and since I am only a novice, I did not get much production. I have also NEVER asked for pay. There has been no transaction of money or potions.

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 12:24 am

you don't understand. they have playd theire role, this was roleplaying. nothing else. and you logged out and want to solve this ooc. that is bad roleplaying john, sorry. and if you have any problems with the things paul have done, than solve this please ingame. and to log out, because someone want to kill you ingame IS bad roleplaying. if an demon attack the town i will stay (or run away, far away *g*) and die, and won't log out to save my skills

John Laffing · Post by **John Laffing** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 12:35 am

I am sorry that i did wrong by logging out. The point is that I never did anything wrong to Paul, and then he decides to fire me and then kill me. I am totally confused. Any opinions? (and I know that i did wrong on logging out, dont mention that, i already admit that is my fault)

Also, solving the problem ingame will not help. I will only get myself killed and killed and killed and killed.......

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 12:45 am

if he killes you several times it would be pk-ing. and he can be deleted for this.

hm, but this was roleplaying john, paul have roleplayed that he fires you and, perhaps, kill you. or do ya mean that paul have done this because he cannot like you as player? if it was roleplaying you have to solve this ingame, and not in a ooc-forum. write your complaint about paul and deats in the rp-forum. not here. and don't ask us ooc what you should do, use your fantasie.

John Laffing · Post by **John Laffing** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 12:46 am

Thanks for your advice. I am unexperienced in this game and this is a very hard situation to deal with.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 12:48 am

Paul Laffing fired the John Laffing IN GAME for reason I will not discuss here, because it is not anyone's business but those working in ICS. Case closed.

John Laffing · Post by **John Laffing** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 12:49 am

I never said i wanted anymore opinions anymore.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 12:51 am

What is that supposed to mean? And I posted my post at the same time as your last post, so I did not get a chance to read it before I made my post.

Bumbol Woodstock · Post by **Bumbol Woodstock** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 2:41 am

From what I read Paul Laffing is "trying" to be a hard ass working guy. But it is funny since most of the time he does nothing but walk around and talk to people

Seth Valor · Post by **Seth Valor** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 3:31 am

Well, if i EVER attack anyone, and they log off, i wait for them. I know that they will always come back in. They always do...

logging off, even if you WILL die, is horrible roleplaying.
Even if it was an 'unjust attack' then it still is bad rp.

John, dont ever do that again.

And, really, in my opinion, I think you shouldnt come to the boards witht this. Its rubbish.

~Seth, member of UCA

John Laffing · Post by **John Laffing** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 4:15 am

paul laffing wrote:What is that supposed to mean? And I posted my post at the same time as your last post, so I did not get a chance to read it before I made my post.

Well, sorry, I dont look for the date and time of posts, i just read them in the order that they are posted. Anyway, it meant that I am annoyed at you for firing me and trying to kill me and also I did not want your opinion.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 5:19 pm

Bumbol Woodstock wrote:From what I read Paul Laffing is "trying" to be a hard ass working guy. But it is funny since most of the time he does nothing but walk around and talk to people

Well, now, we'll see about that...

Why are you annoyed at me OOC when the matter lies IC?

Bumbol Woodstock · Post by **Bumbol Woodstock** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 9:18 pm

I dunno, if it was IC I would be saying the same thing. But since I don't wanta make a thread in the RPG forum about how bad Paul Laffing is, I'll say it here

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paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 10:48 pm

Bad, meaning...

Bumbol Woodstock · Post by **Bumbol Woodstock** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:23 pm

I dont want to get into it... But if you say there is nothing bad then I will...

Boremier · Post by **Boremier** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 12:28 am

Wait a sec I thought John and Paul laffing actually got on well I thought they were friends (RL) so whats going on?

Sorry if I'm spamming someone can punch me if I am

Cuderon · Post by **Cuderon** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 1:13 am

But it isn´t good roleplay for a serious merchant to treat his ex-employes with a death penalty. Weren´t you death at all, paul?

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 3:07 am

This discussion is closed. It is not an OOC problem.

Elaralith · Post by **Elaralith** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 3:13 am

It is horribly bad RP to kill a former employee as a merchant IC. Think about it, what kind of merchant stalks his former employees and murders them in cold blood? Merchants care about GOLD, they are usually timid people that don't like to get involved with trouble that won't bring GOLD.

@John If Paul as really killed you IC as a merchant then you can always resolve this IC by turning to the Law so that he is punished. I am sure the Law does not allow the killing of former employees by their former merchant masters.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 3:15 am

Elaralith, last time I checked, you weren't illiterate. I said that this is an IC matter, and that John was not killed, as he logged out right as I attacked him. And do not make judgements with only parts of stories and half truths.

Cuderon · Post by **Cuderon** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 3:28 am

Never quarrel with elves... they always stick together

If YOU say the topic is closed, that means to me that you don´t want to talk anymore.
How can you dare to forbid me and others to share our opinion to an open topic? Huh?

John made this topic ooc with a good reason, so don´t try to tell others to shut up!

It might have been a failure to log out in this situation, but on the other side... what was your reason to attack him? Weren´t you death long before?

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 3:35 am

I said that this topic is no longer necessary to be discussed. You can continue to discuss it if you want, but it won't come to anything. And Cuderon, I didn't know you're an elf in real life! Who is the other elf you refer to?

Cuderon · Post by **Cuderon** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 3:44 am

Yeah, I had plastic surgery to become like an elf... ack! You are pretty stubborn for your age. But let´s continue via PM so we don´t have to spam the boards.

John Laffing · Post by **John Laffing** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 4:28 am

I am just a beginner in this game, and I saw other posts about bad behavior so I decided to make my post here. I am sorry that I didnt make a post in the RPG section, but since we have this going, I decided not to make another post about the same exact thing.

@Boremier We are RL friends, just the ingame thing didn't really work as planned. I guess it was because I was accepted about half a year after Paul and we kinda changed our minds.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 4:38 am

Yeah, I had this whole thing planned and you blew it with your stinky story!!!

John Laffing · Post by **John Laffing** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 1:01 pm

What thing planned?

Elaralith · Post by **Elaralith** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 10:27 pm

Cuderon is right Paul, YOU have no right to order people to not post in a thread just because you don't want to talk about something you find embarrassing for yourself.

You seem to be the illiterate one - try reading the board rules sometime.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 10:49 pm

I am not embarrassed to speak of it. When you were having all your... difficulties... did anyone come to the OOC board and post "Oh, Elaralith did this" or "Elaralith did that" and then did anyone make you explain your motives? No!