REVOLUTION!!!!!!!!

Sess'sth · Post by **Sess'sth** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 4:05 am

I bets I will go to jail for this buts its worth it. Ahem!

LYRENZIA IS USELESS! JUST READS THE POSTS ABOUTS IT! THEY SAY THEY PROTECTS US BUT THEY DO NOT! THEY ARE ONLY HERES TO GET RICH! I SAY WE STARTS A REVOLUTION! IT IS TIME TO BE FREES! WE WILL CREATES A NEW GOVERNMENTSES! ITS IS TIME TO RULE OURSELVES! WE MUSTS NOT BE RULED BY PEOPLE WHO RARELY ENTERS THE CITY!

WE WILL MAKES OUR OWN PRICES FOR EVERYTHINGS! WE WILL MAKE OUR OWN GOVERNMENTSES ANDS LIVE HAPPILY AGAIN! WE WILLS NOT HAVE TAXES! WE WILL HAVE A DEFENSE SYSTEM THAT ACTUALLY HELPSES US! WE WILLS FINALLY BE FREE!!!!!!!!!!

I MAY BE WEAKS BUT I WILLS FIGHT TO THE DEATH FORS MY FREEDOM!!! LETS THE REVOLUTION BEGIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bumbol Woodstock · Post by **Bumbol Woodstock** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 5:11 am

Now now calm down, you cannot truely believe you can stop them when you are so unorganized... Meet me in town and we will talk about important issues that I am sure you will like to hear about.

Bumbol Woodstock

Sess'sth · Post by **Sess'sth** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 5:17 am

Okay. Whens do you wakes up? ((what time will you be on? Tell me in a pm or here if you want.))

Roke · Post by **Roke** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 7:05 am

If you go to jail for just peacefully protesting, with not casting, violence or EXCESSIVE name-calling you will have proved your point.

Azato Menta · Post by **Azato Menta** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 9:40 am

dear mister woodstock,
i d like to talk to you too. just tell me when and where or send me a briefing.
thanks.

dear sess'sth,
you alone can't get free. we must stand all togheter if we want to be
free.

Caranthir the great · Sun Jul 13, 2003 12:50 pm

Why would we jail you? You have done no crime.
Again, Smacc was not found by Lyrenzia, Lyrenzia just observes it.
We have not made a dime out of this, Do you have taxes right now? No.
You do have a defense, but at least currently it is up to you how efficent it is. Why would we protect you by forming a police force if it would be seen as freedom-limiting? Your arguments have no logic.

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 1:35 pm

Fighting for no taxes.... it sure is good to see a hero know what he's fighting for.

So you want a revolution against Lyrenzia?
Too bad you don't understand what you're revolting against.
Even most of those who support Lyrenzia don't realize the magnitude of what is in existance here.
Lyrenzia is an idea, not just an organization.
It is the most simple idea that when people band together and combine their strength, it will increase their ability to achieve their common goals whatever it may be; a simple idea known since the beginning of time and used by countless species, and continued to be used.
It is the same idea which you will need to use in order to achieve your goal of revolution.

Take a moment and calmly think about what would really happen if Lyrenzia is gone, or whether that can even be achieved.
If "Lyrenzia" is gone, then that simply means that those people allied under this name will have decreased liabilities. There will no longer be open trials where all can hear and speak. There will no longer be voting systems that will influence those people.
Did you think their "judgement" and actions will just disappear?
Of course not. Because every single one of us do it all the time.
Whenever a dispute over justice occurs, we all make a decision, whether as an idividual or a group, to either help bring justice, or take no action. Lyrenzia is no different. The same principle lies behind it making a verdict of guilty or innocent, no matter as individuals or a group, in the past or future.

The understanding that there is this large force existant to bring justice has already been imbedded into our society, and there will always be people who seek that justice, because in a dispute there is at least one side who cannot achieve the justice they seek.
So why not seek this large force to side with you if you are trying to convince others anyways? It is only logical that there are people who will. It will be sought especially by those who like the fact that our combined resources allows us to get their justice by imprisonment instead of using open battle.

What is more, even if nobody outside Lyrenzia seek its help, there will still be those inside it . Just as friends will stand up for each other when it is due... just as a guild will seek justice for a member when they have been unjustly wronged.... the same will happen for Lyrenzia.

The word Lyrenzia could disappear forever, and it wouldn't change a thing.
There will always be people who have been wronged and ask for help to bring due justice.
What will happen? Someone will always answer that call.
First it might be one person and when he can't do it alone, he will find someone else to help him.
When that isn't enough, he will gather a group, and so on.
Whenever there is a cry for due justice to be brought, a force as large as necessary to bring the justice, will arise.

.....Of course there's no guarantee about who or how the next biggest "force" will be like, if that day ever even comes.
I wonder which of you will be the one(s) who is ambitious and confident enough to assemble or gamble on this new better force, which will supposedly be worth bringing.

Fooser · Post by **Fooser** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 5:08 pm

Smacks his forehead

The point of revolt is to remove the current, and NOT bring in something just like it

Roke · Post by **Roke** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 7:36 pm

Speaking of elections, will there be another oportunity to nominate people for an elected public representative?

Sess'sth · Post by **Sess'sth** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 11:46 pm

For NO reason, Deats attacked me. It mights be about the revolution. He asked ifs I was the "Revolution mans" and I said I was one of thems. He then attackeds me! I would report to government buts since wants revolution, cant.....

Hades · Post by **Hades** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 11:46 pm

The revolution will never succeed, they're members are weak. Please everyone ignore them

Unsigned

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 11:46 pm

The thing is... I am not taking sides. I, and I hope everyone in my company, will stay neutral during the whole engagement. But, I don't want to see Lyrenzia fall, and something even worse reappear. I have yet to see Lyrenzia do something that is really harming anyone... but it is just human nature to have anarchy, I guess...

Hades · Post by **Hades** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 11:49 pm

It is in ICS' best interest to crush this revolution, a predictable economy is better then an unpredictable one.

Signed
Deats

Bloodhearte · Post by **Bloodhearte** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 12:07 am

Lyrenzia must fall, they have Trollsbane by the tail of control. I have yet to join any "anti-Lyrenzia" organizations, but I am against it in any case. Ever since they came, more and more trouble has been appearing (fortunately, unfavorably in Lyrenzia's view) due to the fact that public safety awareness has been beat down the throats of many citizens.

-Unsigned

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 12:41 am

Illarion Crafting Supplies will be completely neutral in any event. The opinion of individual employees is not necessarily the opinion of the whole company.

Sess'sth · Post by **Sess'sth** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 12:55 am

Why attack me, mister Deats?

Bumbol Woodstock · Post by **Bumbol Woodstock** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 2:45 am

Sess'sth, remember have Ashburg teach Deats a thing or three.
If anyone wants to talk about how much Lyrenzia is bad contact me via letter and you will all be glad you did.

Bumbol Woodstock

p.s. It is funny how a few days ago Deats wanted to defeat Lyrenzia, but now is totally for them...

Sir Giandor · Post by **Sir Giandor** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 3:39 am

another boring and not knowing man is taking a revolution against a good system. I´m tired to write more about your post. Please take some look about Lyrenzia before you post those things.
I will wonder if someday a inteligence well known person will start a revolution against Lyrenzia.

Hades · Post by **Hades** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 4:06 am

I hate Lyrenzia as much as you Bumbol, but a revolution would disturb the peace. There for I am against any and all revolutions, unless it will be a quick and bloodless one. Which this one will not be.

Signed
Deats

Sir Giandor · Post by **Sir Giandor** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 4:12 am

There were many discusions about that in another language.
So please tell me what you hat about it. And dont answer: it do nothing, the wall is stupid ... ´

First: You pay nothing for all the stuff the foundation create.
2nd: The wall is not builded by it.
3rd: Lyrenzia brought peace and law up to town. And all revolution was started by very new people who doesn´t know the past.

Bumbol Woodstock · Post by **Bumbol Woodstock** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 4:17 am

If Lyrenzia brought peace to the town how come we have suffered more attacks from invading forces then we ever did?
If Lyrenzia brought peace to the town how come they don't help combat the theif guild and it's 12 members?
The fact is Lyrenzia has done nothing but Judge people and made our town into a cage. Plain and simple.
Ganidor you act as if the town before Lyrenzia was horrible, but I do not remember it that way at all. I remember being able to farm all the way south to the prison.

Bumbol Woodstock

Hades · Post by **Hades** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 4:24 am

Starting a revolution will not bring peace to the town, and we have suffered attacks because of the gods not because of Lyrenzia.

Deats

Bloodhearte · Post by **Bloodhearte** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 4:39 am

Giandor, I am not new to this island, yet I'm still against Lyrenzia. They are trying to bring democracy as the feudal system seemed perfectly fine to me.

Sess'sth · Post by **Sess'sth** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 4:47 am

And all revolution was started by very new people who doesn´t know the past.

Giandor if you talks abouts me I didnts start this revolution.

Ashburg Gragthanggar · Mon Jul 14, 2003 4:48 am

Lyrenzia must be stopped! Walls needs to be brought down! We needs to unite and defeat this "government"!

Ashburg

Korwin · Post by **Korwin** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 6:12 am

If Lyrenzia brought peace to the town how come we have suffered more attacks from invading forces then we ever did?

I could understand your point if you proved that Lyrenzia was causing the increase of attacks somehow, but you haven't. You might as well claim an increase of forks was causing monster to attack us.

If Lyrenzia brought peace to the town how come they don't help combat the theif guild and it's 12 members?

Because people decided to make it their own private fight against this alledged 'thieves guild'. They complained that Lyrenzia wouldn't do anything, but they didn't say who the thieves were, they just demanded the thieves be caught. You seem to know there are exactly 12 members, but you won't give Lyrenzia any names.

The fact is Lyrenzia has done nothing but Judge people and made our town into a cage. Plain and simple.

Yes, Lyreniza does judge potential criminals who people ask to be tried. And if they are guily, Lyrenzia punishes them in a more effective manner than wounding them. A cage? What's preventing you from leaving Bumbol?
A cage is an enclosure for confining something, there are exits in the town.

the feudal system seemed perfectly fine to me

There were no lords, or serfs. There was no feudal system.

Giandor if you talks abouts me I didnts start this revolution.

I MAY BE WEAKS BUT I WILLS FIGHT TO THE DEATH FORS MY FREEDOM!!! LETS THE REVOLUTION BEGIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That seems like starting a revolution to me.

Sess'sth · Post by **Sess'sth** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 7:05 am

Peoples have been planning its, but I just starts sayings it out loud.... Not exactly starting it.

Bloodhearte · Post by **Bloodhearte** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 7:55 am

Technically, there was a feudal system. The weaklings often seek the strong for protection, and that rarely continues these days due to the fact that people are feeling more and more free when in reality they're just leaving themselves defenseless.

-Signed, Vahkos

Sir Giandor · Post by **Sir Giandor** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 12:46 pm

@ Bumbol: My name Giandor don´t change me with another person.
You sad more attacks by monsters? Mh... maybe, but do you realy think that Lyrenzia orded the monsters to attack. Oh stupid kind. Think what would be if the wall didn´t exist.
And who sad that the wall was build by Lyrenzia? Please take some information before you start some unsencefull postings.

Who is Lyrenzia when the town will be attack?
Lyrenzia is not executive Foundation. What will you say if the foundation will took a guardians at town. You will scream!
Lyrenzia is a judical thing.
And it is presented by every who is a member of it. So you dont see that many "Lyrenzia" people are fighting against the monsters too.
Cause they dont wear a shield with Lyrenzia on it.

@ Blodheart: So tell me when you came to Illarion. I´m still here since the town only have 3 or 4 buildings. Years ago. I think you will be here since the autumn.
There was no system before Lyrenzia. And no feudal. IT WAS ANARCHY. Everybody start his own laws. Thiefs, murder was daily.

Pleas stop those discusions. If anyone realy knew what was Illarion and what it is now, please tell it. But I don´t think that any of the old citizens are against this good political system.

If you against it, take a part of it to chance it. But you will not.
Cause all of you has no idea of the work this is.

Guardian Angel · Post by **Guardian Angel** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 12:46 pm

Bumbol Woodstock wrote:If Lyrenzia brought peace to the town how come we have suffered more attacks from invading forces then we ever did?

Ashburg Gragthanggar wrote:Lyrenzia must be stopped! Walls needs to be brought down! We needs to unite and defeat this "government"!

Bumbol Woodstock wrote:Ganidor you act as if the town before Lyrenzia was horrible, but I do not remember it that way at all. I remember being able to farm all the way south to the prison.

Hahaha... yes let us bring down the walls if we are suffering more attacks from invading forces than ever. These attacks just goes to show us how much more we need our invaluable farming land instead of a defensive wall. Yes... let us all join in this gripping logic of these rebels... hahahaha!

Bloodhearte wrote:Technically, there was a feudal system. The weaklings often seek the strong for protection, and that rarely continues these days.

The weak still seek the strong for protection. Only now the strong is clearly Lyrenzia, and everyone knows to seek them, whereas before the effort was divided and unorganized.
The brilliance of their systems effect is so simple. Before, there was no clear superior power so disagreements would cause each side to stockpile muscle to fight each other and cause destruction and violence to each other and bystanders. Today Lyrenzia is clearly the superior power that cannot be defeated, so disagreements are reduced to a simple task of pleading your case to them that you are the right side. Even if Lyrenzia doesn't side with you, it would clearly be irrational to continue your cause against this superior power. They have no other choice but to let go, and therefore extended violence over these disputes is reduced.

There is no logic that getting rid of Lyrenzia will help anything. Especially Bumbol Woodstock has the dumbest reasons of all. Lyrenzia can obviously imprison the thieves if you can prove who did what. But for some stupid reason probably caused probably by his own personal emotional problems, Bumbol Woodstock gets all edgy when Lyrenzia tells him that they don't have any more psychic powers than normal people to find out who the thieves are. We have a monster problem and he wants to take down our defense instead. We have a thief problem and he wants to get rid of those who can imprison them.
Korwin has a good point, how does Bumbol Woodstock know so the theif guild have 12 members? If he knows so much why doesn't use or share this information more effectively instead of whining?

Dyluck is right, Lyrenzia is simply an organized manifestation of what has already been going on around us all along. You so called rebels are so irrational in your cause that you can't even make any kind of response about that. Even if Lyrenzia disappears somehow then it will just be another group that appears another day because it is just all about people combining their strength in an attempt to do justice, which is what we all do. All you people do is talk and dream about a beautiful war and don't think about what happens after it. Nothing will get better and you will even less of a say in Lyrenzia and wasted the towns valuable resources.

Those of you who say you are against Lyrenzia for the sake of freedom are so stupid it makes me sick. You are so in love with the word freedom you don't even know what it means. What you had before Lyrenzia came is called ANARCHY. It is NOT FREEDOM. Freedom is something that can only be GRANTED to a society by a government. With NO government, then it is an ANARCHY, which means ANYONE can do ANYTHING, and so the strong get their way whether it is the biggest meanest warrior or a large group called Lyrenzia, so therefore the life of someone against Lyrenzia is STILL the life of ANARCHY and nothing has changed for them.

FREEDOM on the other hand is about how some activies are RESTRAINED in order to ensure that people can live under basic rights without intrusions from others such as killing and stealing.
Lyrenzia made these provisions clear with LAWS.
It enforced these provisions with OPEN TRIALS and IMPRISONMENT.
It allowed these provisions to be influenced with PUBLIC ELECTIONS.
Obviously most of us want FREEDOM, and someone will have to do these things whether it is Lyrenzia or whoever is next.
So instead of Lyrenzia, maybe our FREEDOM should be safeguarded by the next government of Sess'sth, elvin, Bumbol Woodstock, Paul Laffing, Fooserjohn, Bloodhearte, and Ashburg?
Brilliant.... just brilliant....

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