Snobby Players...

[Aerinkoth]

There is a healthy share of snooty newbies around this island, but there's also an equal share of old players that are very pompous, and judgemental rather than helpful.

In the game, I sneered at a hobbit because he created a fire in the town. Then he types in #me wonders what the humans nose problem is. I say it's moronic RP to make your thoughts visible, then he criticizes me just because this character is new; although I have characters that are much older than him anyway. He judges my skill in roleplaying and intelligence simply because I have a 4**** number.

Hah! Perhaps it's the so called "newbie" that knows a bit more about roleplaying in this discussion? After all, this OOC response came from an Archmage Battle Hobbit who makes his thoughts visible to other players .

I think it should also be important to warn others not to turn into idiotic RuneScapers, and remember that just because a player has an older character than the one he is speaking to in OOC doesn't mean he is better in every fashion...

That also reminds me. Certain players continue to judge my already decent combat skills, and every other skill for that matter, and call me "young." How would they know my youth if I was covered behind a cloak? So yeah, this character has a 4**** number. I ask somebody what I should train on in combat for improvement, and somebody replies "You? I would say flies." Now, why would you say that? You can't tell somebody they're weak or they 'look young' simply by hitting the F12 key and taking a look at how large their number is. Mixing OOC into the game, tisk freakin' tisk in my own opinion.

Bottom line, there are an equal number of bad roleplaying newbies and old players. We aren't unskilled in game or out of game just because we have a high number.

So, any thoughts on the subject? I had to rant.

[Gro'bul]

What you propose to do about it?

[Caranthir the great]

Actually, the old players who hit f12 arent roleplaying ad, tehy use the only (not overly complex) means of 'looking' at person. As you may have noticed, there is no 'Look' command, so we have to rely on this to 'look'.

Hide your youth under a cloak? Yeah, perhaps but then again its equally stuipid to run around covered in cloak always, don't you think?

[Draakon]

Actually this is rather interresting since people are even called "newly borns" because of their number...the chars number has nothing with age to do (remember how you can pick your age when creating your char?) I mean even if an elf has the number 45*** he could be 4000 years old.

I know many of the old or semi old players have recently gotten new chars so I am sure many are finding this out. It is rather funny how characters around 42-45*** actually get picked on just because of their numbers wich btw has nothing at all to do with RP, calling a char young because of his number has no relevance at all.

Using the number to recodnize someone you do not know by name is good enough, using it to judge who you can beat is not. It is there for identification to help report violators as far as I have understood, but imagine that numbers did no go from 1 to 45000 but were completley random when a char is created? So many give less respect to newly created chars just because of a fact an ingame character would have no idea about. And I am not at all saying that it is the older players who do this because more often it is the not so old and new how pick on the even newer. I may be wrong but in my opinion it is becoming an issue.

[Damien]

If someone makes a "#me thinks..." statement, simply ignore it, unless your character can read minds

[Grant Herion]

Well, when you are sneering, your face changes and so when the halfling looked at you he would notice the change in your face.

Secondly, why can't hobbits be warriors? In LOTR it shows that halflings are warriors when they need to fight. The only reason they were peaceful in the Shire was because they had it so easy.
In the beginning of LOTR or The Hobbit it talked about a warrior hobbit, he was 5 feet tall and carried a mighty face and smashed people's heads off.

My point is that halflings or hobbits can be warriors if they wish to because they are warriors whenever they are in a hostile environment, and our town is deffinetly a hostile environment.

[Fedaykin]

But its not the nature of Halfling to be warriors. The Halflings in LOTR are only fighting to defend their life. Never to attack someone. But in illa i have heard of very agressive Halfling.

[Caranthir the great]

Correction Fedaykin, In Illarion I've seen more agressive than peaceful halflings. Furthermore, the fact that Frodo took the one ring into the mount doom does not mean that halflings should run around casting fireballs and swinging two-handed swords.

[Faramier]

My second character Mempriclus, has been called young, I was talking to someone and they said how young I was, Mem's actual RP age is 89, they were effectively talking out thier arse and mixing IC and OOC.

hobbits in illa are more aggresive than orcs

[Grant Herion]

That is because Orcs are pacifists. I thought the Bloodskull Clan would be different but they are weak and don't do anything...

[Viola Thistle]

It might be helpful for a character description to be placed on the boards...with name, age, appearance and so forth. Many character seem to have unusual characterists that they think are widely known. But in reality..not everyone knows each character's bio.

That way a person can check the description and make appropriate comments IC if they wish. I make such comments about characters, usually gleaned from their board avatar. If someone wants to refer to the number, which is not great rp, I'd rather hear, "Are you new to the island?" than a suggestion of age.

@ aggressive halflings - this has been talked to death and I'm so very bored of it...please drop it.

Viola, who is dressing up like Sabastian today.

[Crocket]

Just because someone's number is 4**** doesn't mean they are a newbie. It could be an old player who has been around since the numbers were 3 digits but has just created a new character.

Also, I wish people would quit comparing HALFLINGS to HOBBITS. This is not LOTR, this is Illarion.

[Maktan Hardtooth.]

It is true that a lot of halflings are more violent then orcs. I saw a halfling threatening an orc!!

[Wiergraf]

@ Grant Herion - How would you know if we were WEAK and didnt do anything?

[Hades]

a halfling threatening and orc?!?!?! ok now it is going a little to far, halflings are peaceful.

[Grant Herion]

considering my character proposefully tried to get you orcs to fight him, he insulted you many times and you walked away, i would of thought orcs would just kill.

[Hades]

that is very weird, very weird. Orcs kill their enemies.

[Ellaron]

Orcs are not as bloodthirsty as you might think.

"If a human insults an orc, the orc would normally not immediately grab his sword, he would reply with a short, suiting answer, making a sport of making the other one look stupid. But since the orcish humor appears a little rough compared to a human's, it needs much training for a human to really provoke an orc ( if he does not start to insult the orc's tribe or race ). In the most cases, it's the human who attacks first."

"Normally, orcs are not bloodthirsty, but when they fight with other races, their primary war tactics is to cause fear in their enemies."

Quotes taken from http://www.moonsilver.de/english/races/orks.htm

[Serpardum]

1. It has already been discussed and I think we all agreed to disagree, and accept halflings = hobbits in Illarion. Doesn't really matter how you feel about it, IMO, every pretty much agreed to that.

2. When someone emotes, yes, you can see them sneer. But you can't see what they're sneering at. #me sneers is fine. #me smeers at the warrior is fine. #me wonders what the warrior is thinking about is NOT fine. That is your internal thoughts, which are not visible.

[Maktan Hardtooth.]

I too do a lot of #me but never as what i was thinking. How would a person know what your thinking unless he is a mind reader?

[paul laffing]

IMO

In my opinion


To return to the subject... I really hate it when these newby people go on the boards and think they're king. Like on the newb board, this one dude made, like, 10 different topics to ask some questions he could find out by reading the various guides or by playing for 5 minutes in the game! When I told him that, he told me I was stupid!

[Maktan Hardtooth.]

Not all newbies, do i post stupid topics? To answer the question before paul it is no, but there are a few weirdos (stag) but you can tell by the names they give themselves. there should be a test to be in the forums.

[Gro'bul]

Yes I would have to agree Paul. When they ask a question or something, a reply like "you should check out these guides or ingame", they go off cursing and such like they own the place.