"Vampire" questions...

Bloodhearte · Post by **Bloodhearte** » Mon Jun 09, 2003 11:16 pm

I've been told that I'm not allowed to play as a vampire in game...for some reason...

I would like to know why, as my search on the boards hasn't gotten me very far.

We already have demons, undead, giant insects, wierd tentacle beasts (beholders) etc...why stop at vampires?

My character doesn't appear during the times of sunlight, and I try to roleplay him well. I can understand if there are no NPC monster vampires, because they are supposed to be more intelligent than that; just walking up to anything that moves and start biting at it is a big no-no. But when I'm told players can't, I get sort of confused.

Maktan Hardtooth. · Post by **Maktan Hardtooth.** » Mon Jun 09, 2003 11:20 pm

Maktan sighs in relief that he won't be bitten by bloodheart tonight

Hermie · Post by **Hermie** » Mon Jun 09, 2003 11:42 pm

I think too many people would become vampires if they could choose that race. Also, vampires would kill people which between players is pk. If a vampire didn't kill then it wouldn't be much of a vampire, who would rather kill their victims.
For every victim that is killed, that player would be forced into the role as a vampire. Vampires could be "killed" in game and ressurect at the cross ( considering vampires are scared of crosses its wierd, though it depends on what legend you go by.) Also, how would you cure a vampire? It would be very unfair to force a player to have to be a vampire for the rest of their time as that char, and any cure should be long and difficult as you are, in essence, killing the soul of the vampire, and ressurecting the soul of the origional person.
I wouldn't mind seeing vampires on very rare occasions, played by a gm of course.
I propose if a vampire ever was put in game (as GM or select player) then they would be like Draakon, they could kill a few people (who would need consent as a roleplaying storyline.) They would be powerful, and until a band of people group together and kill him, then with a priest banish his soul to another realm perhaps, then the players whom were bitten by the vampire would be given control of their bodies again.
But then again, there is the annoyance of having no day or night in game.

GMcFly · Post by **GMcFly** » Tue Jun 10, 2003 1:20 am

ive found it for you, but sorry its in german.

maybe you can use a translator because its a lot .....

http://www.illarion.org/community/forum ... ht=vampier

GMcFly · Post by **GMcFly** » Tue Jun 10, 2003 1:27 am

Damien wrote:"
Cherass - Der untote Lord

Er bevorzugt die Gestalt des Todes selbst und ist der Herr der Untoten. Er ist der Herrführer der Todesritter, starke, mächtige und untote Krieger. Ihm unterstehen auch viele Liche und auch andere untote Zauberer und Nekromanten. Es gibt sogar Gerüchte, dass Ihm auch sehr machtvolle Vampire unterstellt sind, doch bis zum jetzigen Zeitpunkt haben sich diese Geschichten über derartige Kreaturen nicht bewahrheiten können. Möge Oldra uns davor bewahren.
"

So viel zum Thema "Vampire". Steht in der Hintergrundgeschichte, in dem Teil über "Die drei unsterblichen Diener Moshrans".

Vampire wären also durchaus mit Vorsicht zu genießen - jemand, der Gefahr läuft, sich in einen solchen zu verwandeln, durfte ziemliche Probleme haben. Zum Einen würden viele Paladine oder Priester Probleme mit ihm haben - Geschweige den, daß sich eine solche Kreatur im Beisein eines Priesters recht unwohl fühlen dürfte. Zum Anderen wäre so etwas eine nette, wenn auch etwas klischeehafte Idee für eine Menge Rollenspielerische Plots. Wenn gut gespielt, eigentlich kein Problem.
Einen "richtigen" Vampir zu spielen, würde weitaus größere Probleme mit sich bringen. Diese würden wohl von allen "guten" Priestern/Paladinen/Gelehrten als Diener Cherass' eingestuft, und hätten somit ein ziemliches Überlebensproblem...

Summary in english : Roleplaying a person, infected by Vampyrism, would be possible - according to the history. That would bring many disadvantages to the person : the presence of "good" priests and paladins would make these persons sick. They would be seen as a danger to the public (they could loose control over their curse !).

Playing a "full" Vampire, would NOT be good - every Scholar, Priest and Paladin would recognize these creatures as servants of "Cherass" - leading to a very SHORT lifetime for the "Vampire". Vampires would feel very bad and ill in the presence of good priests and paladins. Fresh or salty water would even hurt them (Since Tanora, goddess of water, has blessed it as element of life). And walking around in Daytime would result in many pretty little pieces of pott-ash and a dead Vampire.

Since Vampires are only legends, and they are NOT implemented yet, such a role would immediately lead to conflicts and a lot of bad roleplay. Please DON'T play "full" vampires. And one vampyrism-infected person is enough too ! We don't need to many of those, regarding the fact that nothing alike that is implemented in the system.

Ive found something, german/english

Cain Freemont · Post by **Cain Freemont** » Tue Jun 10, 2003 1:35 am

What I would probably do if I was playing the role of a vampire is just be biting non-existing people. You know, just saying that I have been biting people. Then, consult some people about seeing if they would want their characters to become vampires. That wouldn't be forcing anyone to do anything and would keep the RP to a good atmosphere. I like the idea of playing as a vampire, it adds a bit of thrill, if you will, to the game, as lately not much has really been happening besides the drought and the RP Board murder mystery. I can see how playing a vampire could cause problems, but if all the typical vampire criteria is met, why not?

Arkadia Misella · Post by **Arkadia Misella** » Tue Jun 10, 2003 2:13 am

Go for it...I like the idea

Bloodhearte · Post by **Bloodhearte** » Tue Jun 10, 2003 2:13 am

Well, there are no rules set in stone that a vampire MUST kill to live; a vampire only needs blood, and I often don't take enough blood to kill.

I only claim that being killed by blood loss from a vampire would turn somebody into vampire, and this has proven fine so far. I'm still working on becoming a 'select' player for Vampirism from order of a GM, but there's really no problems even if I don't kill in game, but rather, on the boards or something.

I don't think all vampires must be strong...ever heard of a little game called Soul Reaver? Their empire worked like that of orcs; Kain was the most powerful because of his instant death blade, and therefore, was the ruler. The other vampires were just ordinary vampires, but they certainly weren't very strong. The rank went by strength, and not all of them have to be super-magi.

As for the night and day thing, I don't play Bloodhearte until it's night time according to my time zone. IF this is too much of an inconvenience, I wear a heavy cloak and crawl through the shadows only.

As far as I know, I only made one other person an infected vampire (NOT a full one) and I will keep it very limited to probably three at the most. I'm not in charge of who becomes a vampire or not, but Bloodhearte has already been acclaimed as a decent roleplayer for starting the cult, and letting the GMs have a reason to begin showing Drahken, Ashkatuul, and the mirrors. Can't I get SOME sort of privelage?

In any case, I didn't see any vampires before I started, so I figured; why not?

I understand the weaknesses, disadvantages, and such, but I will try to roleplay with my new vampire character the best I can without making anybody angry or frustrated.

That's right, I'm taking a huge risk, and attempting to play a full vampire. Don't worry though, I'm confident I can fit the role without harm in OOC manners.

GMcFly · Post by **GMcFly** » Tue Jun 10, 2003 2:37 am

the bproblem is, that if you play one vampire, others will copy you.
If ( i dunno) you play a vampire good, the others will make it bad (( i dunno too) .
At next we have 10 vampires here. That was happen in the past.

Bloodhearte · Post by **Bloodhearte** » Tue Jun 10, 2003 3:11 am

True, GMcFly...maybe it would be best to be 'approved' a vampire first before claiming you are one.

I just got a PM from Damien telling me that it's not a good idea at the moment, but it might possibly work in the future. Until then, we're just 'infected' or something.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Tue Jun 10, 2003 3:48 am

Clears his throat

You are forgetting the history of the true vampire. Ever heard of someone named Vlad Dracule, AKA Vlad the Impaler? The alleged first vampire? Read up on him, and you'll see. There has been no Vlad here, so where could a vampire come from? It doesn't make sense, especially since vampires shouldn't even be legends in Illarion.

Mishrack · Post by **Mishrack** » Tue Jun 10, 2003 3:51 am

His name was Vlad Thepes, Paul. He was a knight of the order of the Dracuûl

Ellaron · Post by **Ellaron** » Tue Jun 10, 2003 3:52 am

Perhaps you could be a vampire in all but name? Maybe the vampire curse can't be passed on through biting and is a gift / curse from a demon lord. After all when cattle get bitten by vampire bats they don't become vampire cows

. Instead of sucking blood through biting maybe you could drain souls / energy / essence through the eyes? The eyes being the window to the soul. Just a thought.

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Tue Jun 10, 2003 5:32 am

I've heard about Vlad the Impaler, he wasn't the first vampire, the person who wrote 'Dracula' took information on ol' Vlady and that is how Dracula was made, not sure though.

Also, if you watch the movie "Interview with a Vampire" starring Tom Cruise, and Brad Pitt and Kirsten Dunst, you would learn lots of Vampire folklore.

In that movie you had two choices when you were bitten by a vampire, become a vampire or die, you can give the person you have bitten those two choices. You roleplay bitting them in the neck which would make them incapable of calling for help and running away, then if they chose to live you give them someone, a cape perhaps who knows.

I would suggest you message the victim ooc before you actually do it so they won't protest that you forced them to roleplay. Also, if you want to be a vampire and play in the day light, it would be best to live in dwarftown, who knows Bloodhearte, maybe your vampire empire would inhabit that place.

Drathe · Post by **Drathe** » Tue Jun 10, 2003 12:03 pm

Whos needs books or school, Thank god for Holloywood.
The TV teatcher of many a good kid in town these days.

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Tue Jun 10, 2003 3:35 pm

amen Drathe.

Brendan Mason · Post by **Brendan Mason** » Tue Jun 10, 2003 9:20 pm

You could also do the Buffy the Vampire Slayer vampire. According to the series folklore, the very forst Vampire walked with the very first human. This Vampire was known as the Turok-Han. It was primal and had no feelings or emotions. It was pure Evil.

However, as the Vampire race became diluted through the eras, they inherited certain human qualities like lust, greed, jealousy, anger-and love even.

Without a soul, these Vampires could not truly access their better qualities.

Perhaps Bloodhearte, you could play the role of a re-ensouled Vampire?
They are still succeptible to the banes of garlic, crosses, blessed water, beheadding, sunlight, fire (no more standing at firesides) and of course, a woodden stake through the heart.

Well, what do you think?

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Tue Jun 10, 2003 9:25 pm

Mishrack wrote:His name was Vlad Thepes, Paul. He was a knight of the order of the Dracuûl

You're arguing with the history channel?

http://www.historychannel.com/cgi-bin/f ... ad+dracule

Doesn't go into his other exploits, but there was a history channel special about him.

Faramier · Post by **Faramier** » Tue Jun 10, 2003 10:58 pm

Isnt Vlad the Impaler a pornstar?

And some legends say that the first vampire was Judus, cursed by god (and somewhat used) so when he hung himself from a tree his soul was not allowed rest and thus the first vampire was born.

And some earlier vampire legends dont have the stereotypical vampires or the common ways of killing them, blessed water centainly harms them, normal not so, garlic was later as was the cross, which ties in nicely with the judus theory. Never heard fire before, but yes beheading worked as well as sunlight, vampires are creatures of the night.

I am not sure where the wooden stake or silver came from.

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Tue Jun 10, 2003 11:39 pm

isn't silver for werewolves? Anyways... The person who wrote Dracula, the first vampire based the vampire on Vlad the Impaler, so Vladdy was the fist vampire. He even drank blood... what a crazy kid..

Hermie · Post by **Hermie** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 12:00 am

Bloodhearte, if you got killed when biting people, and you were a cloud/spirit, how would you be able to return to your physical self? Afterall, vampires wouldn't be able to go to the cross, would they?

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 12:44 am

Vampires wouldn't die. You cannot kill a vampire unless you use a wooden dagger, garlic or holy water. Physical damage from a sword would not kill you. Even if it killed your character, you would roleplay just being scratched.

Malinne · Post by **Malinne** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 12:50 am

He could just not get killed, vampires are immortal anyway.

I doubt that Illarion is based on real history as there is no such thing as an island called Illarion that was once infested by giant bugs, mummies and sheep. This is a fantasy rpg, so we shouldn't have to worry about what Interview with a Vampire or The History Channel has to say about vampires; who the first vampires were and when they came about. We can develop our own history, and even if there is already history about vampires having lived in the past of Illarion, not all information is accurate, it never is and it varies.

Vampires should not be an easy race to become. There shouldn't even be a way that characters can tell they are not human because vampires are supposed to try to hide what they are so they can get closer to their prey. They can also live off of animal blood perhaps if it proves too difficult and conflicting with role play to get it from people.

People probably shouldn't be able to realize they've been bitten by a vampire when they have. They can feel ill, which can pass unless the vampire continues to feed from that individual.

I kind of like the idea of not being a full-vampire or something; making it more of a curse that can be lifted...

(Sorry if this post is all mixed up, I kept adding and getting rid of stuff and now I'm too lazy to proof-read.)

Pellandria · Post by **Pellandria** » Thu Jun 12, 2003 7:06 pm

to stop this discustion i have to say something.
I have played an vampire char but now its forbidden the staff has decided that vampires only legends and nothing more chars can't be vampires and they will never be an vampire end this discustion is sensless because you will never be a vampire and i have never killed someone .. something heard of "#me" sentences yes so no dead bodys

ok maybe sometimes you can play them but then it must be for everyone and the first who has decided to play "a vampire" was me

(i think) so.. maybe sometimes you have luck.

Brendan Mason · Post by **Brendan Mason** » Fri Jun 13, 2003 12:25 am

You could play a Vampire creature like Elizabeth Bathory. She was a British aristocrat, whom treated her servants exceptionally poorly. She would hit and kick them, if they did the slightest bad thing.

One day she struch a young maid so hard, that the girl's blood splashed upon her face.
She was persuaded that the blood had regenerative properties and made her more beautiful.

So, at once she ordered her men servants to go out at night, and kill young women for their blood, they were nicknamed Vampires. She then bathed in their blood for hours on end. She had mixed with milk also, so that she could drink it...

Her evil activities were later found out by local authorities...She was captured, thrown into a room, muzzled, knocked unconcious and bound to a chair. The locals then bricked up the room, and put a picture of her over the sevret room...

Scary, eh?

Ishans Schatten · Post by **Ishans Schatten** » Fri Jun 20, 2003 1:57 am

I said this already in an other Thread but only in German so for the english folk again.
First sorry for my bad gramma and spelling i´ll do what i can.

So first about vampirism. Vamprism is an Virus and a Vampir si nothing mor than an ill person. An Vampire need Hämogblin, this is something what is in your blood. There own body cant procuse it anymor so they must drink the blood of other. The virus will tranfers trough this bite.
Vampires have nothign to do with Satan, In fact satan doesnt exist in illarion. Vampires are not good and not evil. So far to the background from vampires.

Now we go the the situation in Illarion. It doesnt exist any vampire so you cant be infectetd by one. If you want to play this Vampire with them all beginn you have to write a complete quest, send this to a GM and the you have to wait till he said ok. But be sure no GM will say yes easily. T p make such a quest it needs much more as to say i want to play my vampire so and so. Anothe reason is that thsi Master Vampire would be a very powerfull person, an no player will ever play such a mighty char without permisson of the gms.

Lets go on, if you realy want to paly a vampire you cant run aroun and bite people, becouse this play probatly dont want to be infected with this virus and dont want to play a vampire. So you have to find players, and i mean good player who would help you in you rp. Another factor ist the RP Board, sure it is not a must, but when you make such a quest you shoud be ready to write a lot on the rp board. In facts some quest are never played ingame and run completly on the boards.

So if you realy play a Vampire, you have to do much work, becme a go from an GM, write a good story, find other player that want to play with you, write a lot about this quest in the rp board, proof that you understood and can play very good rp. Perhaps you have then and only perhaps the chance to play an Vampire.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Fri Jun 20, 2003 3:21 am

Brendan Mason wrote:You could play a Vampire creature like Elizabeth Bathory. She was a British aristocrat, whom treated her servants exceptionally poorly. She would hit and kick them, if they did the slightest bad thing.

One day she struch a young maid so hard, that the girl's blood splashed upon her face.
She was persuaded that the blood had regenerative properties and made her more beautiful.

So, at once she ordered her men servants to go out at night, and kill young women for their blood, they were nicknamed Vampires. She then bathed in their blood for hours on end. She had mixed with milk also, so that she could drink it...

Her evil activities were later found out by local authorities...She was captured, thrown into a room, muzzled, knocked unconcious and bound to a chair. The locals then bricked up the room, and put a picture of her over the sevret room...

Scary, eh?

Yeah, I read about that! It was in a strange, but true book or something. I'm addicted to those kind of things.

Oh, you mean hemoglobins. Hemo from latin for blood and globin means, uhm... yeah.

He could get bitten from a vampire bat, eigh?

Ishans Schatten · Post by **Ishans Schatten** » Fri Jun 20, 2003 10:20 am

Vampire bats.. there exist only one Group of bat who drink blood. This bat race is very rare and no you dont become a Vampire if they bite you.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Fri Jun 20, 2003 4:55 pm

You can consider yourself as cursed person.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Fri Jun 20, 2003 9:36 pm

I know vampire bats only bite cattle and things like that, but who said this game can't have vampire bats that bite people?