to our snipers / an unsere heckenschützen

Lennier · Post by **Lennier** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 5:46 pm

PK und Multi-PK sind ganz klar definiert und bedürfen keiner Diskussion.

Wenn jemand in einem Kampf stirbt, dann endet damit eigentlich ein bestehender Konflikt zwischen den Kontrahenten. Beide sollten sich aus dem Weg gehen. Auch das Opfer kann nicht nach Wiederbelebung weiter provozieren und so einen weiteren Tod herrausfordern...

Greift der PK ohne ersichtlichen Grund jemanden an, so ist er wohl einem GM zu melden, da regelwidrig
Tötet der PK aus eigenem Willen jemanden mehrfach, so ist das auch einem Gm zu melden, da regelwidrig...

Lässt das Opfer nicht locker und provoziert weiter, dann ist es selber Schuld, wenn es mehrfach stirbt, da es selber die Ursache ist besteht auch kein Multi-Pken. Eigentlich könnt man das wegen sehr schlechtem RP auch melden.

Fedaykin · Post by **Fedaykin** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 6:15 pm

Nenn mir mal einen Grund den Psychopaten habe um zu töten Ausser den das es ihnen anscheinend Spass macht andere Leute zu Quälen. Alles andere seh ich ein. Aber der Grund ist für mich so eine Sache. Es ist klar das man nicht einfach wahllos leute umbringt sondern sowas halt Verpackt in gutes RP. Aber wenn man sowas Spielen will (Psyschopat Verrückter) Sollte man sich wohl mit seinen Opfern vorher absprechen (Zumindest die ersten) damit das RP mässig besser rüberkommt.

Lennier · Post by **Lennier** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 6:37 pm

Es ist ein Unterschied ob es in die Rolle passt, wobei der Spieler mit seinem RP und vor allem auf das RR der anderen, die gegen ihn sind, aufpassen muss, da er leicht als PK abgestempelt werden kann oder ob der Spieler als er selbst das Spielgeschehen stören will.

Fedaykin · Post by **Fedaykin** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 8:14 pm

Deswegen sage ich ja das es als ausenstehender in bestimmten Situationen schwer ist so etwas zu unterscheiden.

Christiana · Post by **Christiana** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 8:21 pm

du merkst normalerweise recht schnell wer es nur aufs töten und wer auf rollenspiel abgesehen hat. der jenige der es aufs töten abgesehen hat benutzt keine #me's, der hackt/schiesst nur rum. jemand der gutes rp spielt setzt einem angriff immer ein paar #me's vorraus. ob einer multi pk betrieben hat oder sich nur verteidigt hat sollte anhand der logs auch feststellbar sein.
ich rate auch immer vor racheversuchen ab, wenn jemand getötet wurde...

Fedaykin · Post by **Fedaykin** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 8:25 pm

Wenn jemand getötet wurden ist IMHO die geschichte für den Spieler vorüber. Dannach finde ich können nur noch freunde etc. Rache üben. Obwohl es bei längeren geschichten etwas schwierig ist nach der art vorzugehen.

Aber das was du sagst macht sinn. Das PK eigentlich keine #me's einsetzen.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Thu Mar 06, 2003 3:26 am

But there is a difference between PKing and defending yourself, right? I killed twice defending myself, and is that PKing? Also, the idea of terrorism, isn't that pretty recent, like within the last couple of centuries? Would is apply to this game as a valid reason to kill someone?

Crocket · Post by **Crocket** » Thu Mar 06, 2003 3:38 am

an evil wizard might conjure up some demons to terrorize a town into submission to him.
Terrorism has been around since the beginning of time. They might have called it something else and not terrorism but the same basic elements are there.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Thu Mar 06, 2003 4:27 am

But that is controlling people through fear. My dictionary says:

terrorism

n : the systematic use of violence as a means to intimidate or coerce societies or governments

In your example, there is no violence, just the threat of violence.

Niniane · Post by **Niniane** » Thu Mar 06, 2003 5:15 am

Your single dictionary is not the final word. If you check www.dictionary.com you'll see that terrorism also includes the threatened use of force or violence. I bring this one dictionary up because you can check it without purchasing it and have ready access to it. It would also help in other cases where your dictionary has proven itself to be subpar in regards to many terms you've defined for others on these forums.

Berengar · Post by **Berengar** » Thu Mar 06, 2003 11:03 pm

@Fedaykin: Ich glaube, der Halbling, den Ihr meint, hat Nummer 371**, jedenfalls wollte der auch unbedingt erreichen, dass ich ihn töte, hätte das auch getan, da mein Char ein recht stolzer Krieger ist, dessen Geduld auch recht begrenzt ist... naja, lag hat ihn gerettet

Also, wenn einer diesen Hobbit sieht, seid vorsichtig, schaut, dass ihr Zeugen habt, die euer RP, und eure Warnungen bestätigen.

Hab ihn allerdings, auch länger nicht mehr gesehen.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Thu Mar 06, 2003 11:05 pm

Niniane wrote:Your single dictionary is not the final word. If you check www.dictionary.com you'll see that terrorism also includes the threatened use of force or violence. I bring this one dictionary up because you can check it without purchasing it and have ready access to it. It would also help in other cases where your dictionary has proven itself to be subpar in regards to many terms you've defined for others on these forums.

... thats the dictionary i used...

Leo · Post by **Leo** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 12:01 am

@ Berengar
ich dachte hier werden keine Spielernummern veröffentlicht !!!

Niniane · Post by **Niniane** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 7:33 am

@Paul Laffing

Since you used the dictionary I presented to you (www.dictionary.com) for the term 'terrorism', did you actually read the entry listed there? As you will see the definition is :

'The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.'

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 9:33 pm

Before you posted that, did you stop to think that maybe there is more than one meaning? Just because i don't think the same thing as you doesn't mean i'm wrong.

Niniane · Post by **Niniane** » Sat Mar 08, 2003 1:43 am

@Paul
You said you used the same dictionary as I did so yes, if you read the definition you should realize that is what the word means. You were using some definition that was quite obviously one of the alternate definitions (near the bottom of the page) to correct someone else when in fact you were the one who was wrong. So, I corrected you and thought to help you by giving you a more accurate dictionary, you say you used that and if you have you would have seen the definition of the word you were supposed to look up. The definition I gave was the very first definition given in the dictionary you say you used, so you obviously read this one and ignored it so you could attempt to make someone else appear wrong by correcting them, when in fact what you corrected them was wrong on two accounts. They said a wizard who summons demons to control a town could be considered terrorism and you said that does not include violence and is only threatened. As we all know, demons are not friendly and are violent creatures. He implied the use of violence by mentioning the summoning of demons, and again, even if he were not implying this, the threat of violence is still there but you ignored this definition as well so as to reprimand him because you were feeling superior and have animosity towards others who are able to play the game now because you broke the rules and were banned.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Sat Mar 08, 2003 2:11 am

Could you please repeat that? I found that most confusing. Thank you.

Serpardum · Post by **Serpardum** » Sat Mar 08, 2003 2:12 am

Just quote Alice in Wonderland.

Words mean what I intend them to mean.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Sat Mar 08, 2003 3:44 pm

As Blaise Pascal said:

Words differently arranged have a different meaning, and meanings differently arranged have different effects.

So what this is saying is, you use words to your own advantage depending on the effect you want. Remember that.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Sat Mar 08, 2003 11:51 pm

Again i was sniped, and i have yet to hear an RP reason for it.

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Sun Mar 09, 2003 12:02 am

good one serpardum.

Bror · Post by **Bror** » Sun Mar 09, 2003 11:05 pm

Leo wrote:ich kann doch keinem übers Forum einen Auftrag geben jemanden aus dem Blabla Grund zu töten

Das verlangt ja auch keiner. RPG darf nicht nur am RPG Board betrieben werden sondern ist auch im Spiel erlaubt.

Leo wrote:Leo: #me rennt auf XY zu und rammt ihm das Messer ins Herz, weil er den Auftrag von YX hat diesen zu töten

Solange man ihm nicht ansieht warum er diese Person töten will, macht dieses #me wohl kaum einen Sinn. Sinn machen würde höchstens:

Leo: #me rennt auf XY zu und rammt ihm das Messer ins Herz, während er mit der linken Hand ein Schild hochhält, auf dem steht "Ich habe den Auftrag von YX dich zu töten!"

paul laffing wrote:Again i was sniped, and i have yet to hear an RP reason for it.

Is it stated somewhere in the rules, that a person killing someone has to declare his reasons to the killed person?

Serpardum · Post by **Serpardum** » Mon Mar 10, 2003 3:00 am

@Paul Laffing: your killer is serving a prison sentance. Justice has been dealt with. And they were informed next time it would not be prison but a ban.

Crocket · Post by **Crocket** » Mon Mar 10, 2003 3:48 am

Serpardum wrote:@Paul Laffing: your killer is serving a prison sentance. Justice has been dealt with. And they were informed next time it would not be prison but a ban.

Let no one say that the law doesn't rule in Illarion.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Mon Mar 10, 2003 2:31 pm

I hope you got the right person...

Serpardum · Post by **Serpardum** » Mon Mar 10, 2003 8:41 pm

Yes, *I* got the right person. You did not. It was not who you said you thought it was.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Mon Mar 10, 2003 10:18 pm

I only stated my thoughts. I did not say that they were accurate. I thought it was Silin because he also sniped me another time recently, but only killed me once before i... served justice.

How did you find out who it was?

Renyu Thadiaol · Post by **Renyu Thadiaol** » Sat May 31, 2003 9:46 pm

I understand that this is an old post, but I decided to continue on it because of what happend to my character today. I was standing across the river as a orc was getting attacked. I had a feeling it was an elf, because someone started to shoot their arrows at my character. Then he ran off. The orc was still getting attacked. Then I thought maybe it was Jackson, because he recently purchased some arrows from my character. Then I found myself getting killed. I had no arrows because Jackson bought 11 of my arrows and the elf that bought 90 of my arrows dissapeared. I should of got his name, but I didn't. I was killed because someone thought that I was shooting at the orc. When I was trying to figure out who was shooting. I'd like something to be done about this.