Halfling Roleplay?

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Wed May 07, 2003 12:34 am

Many halflings here do not play as halflings should. Using magic for a halfling is the norm and the rare halfling is the one who doesn't fight or use magic. Many halflings here seem very easily provoked and will quickly kill you.
What do you people think of the halfling roleplayer we have here?

Bumbol Woodstock · Post by **Bumbol Woodstock** » Wed May 07, 2003 12:46 am

I do not like how most halflings use magic. But I think that the descriptions for the halflings should change. If it is normal for halflings to know magic in game, then you might want to change the description on the web page.

Fieps · Post by **Fieps** » Wed May 07, 2003 12:46 am

That´s unfair and useless.

If we ask how good the players from halflings are in their role, or how well they can play, you have to ask after the roleplay from dwarfs, orks and so one too.

And there i can only say, the most orcs are too friendly, the most dwarfs use magic and so one. How you find their roleplay? When you start to criticise you have to criticise all, not a single small group!

And at all, who are you that you judge the roleplay from other players?
It´s a bad habit to do so, end it!

Darlok · Post by **Darlok** » Wed May 07, 2003 12:47 am

Other Way arround, Bumbol. You should change the Halfings InGame, not the official Description of this Race.
Belive me, Restrictions for that Race are comming, not today, not tomorrow, but someday.

Juste Belmont · Post by **Juste Belmont** » Wed May 07, 2003 12:52 am

Crouches

Its strange how the world appears different and harsher when you are this high.

Stands up

Lotho Green · Post by **Lotho Green** » Wed May 07, 2003 2:03 am

This topic has been talked about over a million times. There is really nothing nobody can do. I'm sure most of the halflings got the point when hearing others talk about halflings using magic, wanting to fight, etc.

Like others, I to agree that it is a little strange to see a powerful halfling cast magic, and even halflings who open up magic schools. But, I'm sure they have got the point, and we shouldn't talk about it anymore. Sure, there could be many halflings out there who don't act like halflings. You have to remember what Fieps said though, there are other races that don't act as themselves. I have not met many orcs, and most of the time I'm around, nobody else is. But I have seen some posts that seem to have been made by orcs. (Looking at their avatar.) And it does look like they speak intelligently.

Felkin Fennikish · Post by **Felkin Fennikish** » Wed May 07, 2003 2:45 am

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Caranthir the great · Post by **Caranthir the great** » Wed May 07, 2003 9:58 am

But I have seen some posts that seem to have been made by orcs. (Looking at their avatar.) And it does look like they speak intelligently.

Perhaps, but they might also have been thinking the comfort of the reader.
I as find long posts of 'gibberish' very annoying to read (this also includes posts without punctuation).

Hermie · Post by **Hermie** » Wed May 07, 2003 7:43 pm

There is nothing wrong with a Halfing using magic respectivley.

May it be that there are some Halflings tempting the arts of magic but it is highly recommended not to be close as one or the other spell might turn out in a way which was not intended

We can cast, just we arent the best. And a spell may, at some point, go wrong. Of course, we perhaps shouldn't know all the spells, but rather only know of them.

I dont think a halfling's intelligence should be restricted. Perhaps it should be made that the easer the spell, the rarer it goes wrong, but the harder the spell the more rare it is to perform, with the halfling still being logic. Also, perhaps us halflings should have only 3/4 of the mana of ofther races.

Cara said:

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But I have seen some posts that seem to have been made by orcs. (Looking at their avatar.) And it does look like they speak intelligently.

Perhaps, but they might also have been thinking the comfort of the reader.
I as find long posts of 'gibberish' very annoying to read (this also includes posts without punctuation).

There is nothing wrong with the way orcs write as long as it is on the rpg board because it's only gibberish to non-orcs. Plus, an orc wouldn't give a damn if people of other races can't read their posts. Finally, since when were orcs educated enough to use education?
If it's in game then the orcs are fine talking anyway orcish way. Also, society in Illarion makes the orc speak better, because spendig much time amongst other races they would learn it, but still, that doesn't mean they can write.

Caranthir the great · Post by **Caranthir the great** » Wed May 07, 2003 8:29 pm

You missed my point.

Plus, an orc wouldn't give a damn if people of other races can't read their posts. Finally, since when were orcs educated enough to use education?

I ment that I AS PLAYER find it annoying to read.
dOYOuUNdASTaaNDWOtITrYINTOSaY? Huh.
I find that annoying, but hey if you get kicks for reading that kind of text..

And a spell may, at some point, go wrong. Of course, we perhaps shouldn't know all the spells, but rather only know of them.

I believe that I have stated this before.
If you want to be a halfling mage, figure a proper roleplaying reason. For a halfling it is not 'The flames rock' or 'I am more efficent in combat'.
I think that halfling player would need a very, and I mean VERY good reason to have anything to do with fighting (I.E. Being a warrior) and SUPER good reason to be a mage.

I think that some of the player seem to think that the if there are many of them playing unlike their race 'is supposed to', that the descriptions would be changed. WRONG!
Why should they be? You are supposed to in some extent to obey large part of the descriptions, if you disobey them you should have a IC reason to do so.

Finally, since when were orcs educated enough to use education?

True, but since when were halflings strong enough to run around with fullplatemails and two handed swords and educated to shoot fireballs while doing that? That is certainly what halfling 'should' not be, yet most of people who play halfling choose 'the path of warrior' and are the most battle-orientated people in the game.

What I said above also applies for a dwarven mage, unless the mage is a rune-crafter (explained in moonsilver's page) but then on the other hand to play his role properly he would not need any spells to do so.

My handful of goldcoins.

ezo · Post by **ezo** » Wed May 07, 2003 8:45 pm

True, but since when were halflings strong enough to run around with fullplatemails and two handed swords and educated to shoot fireballs while doing that? That is certainly what halfling 'should' not be, yet most of people who play halfling choose 'the path of warrior' and are the most battle-orientated people in the game.

Very true...But i think that quite a few people who play as halflings want to put a view across, they want to be the best at fighting and magic they want to show that just because they are small does not mean that they cannot stand up for themselves. This is probably why many halfling character act agressive when confronted or someone breaks a law...They want to show that they are not Inferior and can still "pack a punch"

I am not saying all halflings act like this...but still many do

Viola Thistle · Post by **Viola Thistle** » Wed May 07, 2003 9:15 pm

Well, I've decided to throw my two bits in here....

A few people in the beginning went to a lot of trouble getting histories and descriptions up for a basis of this game...I obviously wasn't here but I've read thru them and it looked like a good bit of work. ((I particularly like the sample diary pages in the School of Magic.))

The majority of characters should fit their predefined role as put forth by the powers that be. A few eccentric characters are fine as it adds to the complexity of the town, I think.

I prefer playing Viola as much like halflings are stated in the histories as I can...but that's just me. And sometimes it hasn't worked out quite that way...but nobody is ever the typical halfling, human, elf, etc.

As for the magic school, I don't have a problem with it. However, it would make a great story if half the school blew up one day because a young halfling was taking exams.

Lotho Green · Post by **Lotho Green** » Wed May 07, 2003 11:08 pm

Caranthir the great wrote:They might also have been thinking the comfort of the reader. I as find long posts of 'gibberish' very annoying to read (this also includes posts without punctuation).

You make a very good point...

Hermie · Post by **Hermie** » Wed May 07, 2003 11:11 pm

If you want to be a halfling mage, figure a proper roleplaying reason. For a halfling it is not 'The flames rock' or 'I am more efficent in combat'.
I think that halfling player would need a very, and I mean VERY good reason to have anything to do with fighting (I.E. Being a warrior) and SUPER good reason to be a mage.

I have a reason for being a mage, I am not an awesome mage, but I have a reason. I haven't told anyone because it has never come up, and I find posts about people's backgrounds on the rpg board kind of annoying.

I ment that I AS PLAYER find it annoying to read.

I know, but they are doing it for an ic rp reason ( if its on the rpg board ) so although it is annoying and hard to read (I do agree with you btw), deal with it like a char, its nothing to complain about if its all ligitimate.

I mean VERY good reason to have anything to do with fighting

Moonsilver doesn't say halflings are poor fighters.

"as soon as determination has entered the stubborn head of a Halfling you would not like to stand in his way. This both the Orcs and the Humans have learned the hard way as the uprising of the Halflings had shaken their societies to the core."

I wouldn't think Halflings would be able to shake an orcen society to its core by talking their way out of it, they would have had to fight.

True, but since when were halflings strong enough to run around with fullplatemails and two handed swords and educated to shoot fireballs while doing that? That is certainly what halfling 'should' not be, yet most of people who play halfling choose 'the path of warrior' and are the most battle-orientated people in the game.

Okay, I am also a farmer halfling, like many halflings are farmers too. You don't work hard carrying huge ammounts of grain regularly without producing some muscles.
I use a two handed sword rarely, I don't think I know another Halfling who has one. I have two that were gifted to me in game.
A Halfling can be educated to learn magic, which I personally have an rp reason for, but I was unaware we were supposed to fail till I recently read Moonsilver. The Illarion page says:

"These cute little creatures are stocky and hairy. You won't suppose that they would adventure through the lands because they are always concerned about the next warm meal. Because of their agility and dexterity they can hide almost anywhere which makes them extraordinary good thieves."

That is why so many halflings are good at magic. It should say here we are bad at it (I did restrict my intell for rp reasons too, so I am no supermage).

As for the plate mail wearing, I only wore it during the war with Darlok for extra protection, but decided to wear chain mail for that instead. Usually I wear green hunting armour:

"but in general they are gifted farmers, hunters and herbalists"

My reason for hunting armour there. I couldn't say what other halflings wear as I don't see it, and neither do you.

There are rp reasons for some of us, you just don't know them because you never asked us. I haven't told many people, and I won't do it publically either as there are some who would copy it for their reason.

There is much shadow concerning Hermie's past which I don't think anyone knows about.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Thu May 08, 2003 12:26 am

I have not read all of these posts, but I just wanted to say that humans are the easiest to roleplay because you can be evil, good, a mage, a fighter, an archer, a layman, a pacifist, or anything you want to, as long as you RP it good.

Felkin Fennikish · Post by **Felkin Fennikish** » Thu May 08, 2003 12:45 am

Fieps · Post by **Fieps** » Thu May 08, 2003 2:40 am

I myself have another view of Halfling and Magic.

I think Halflings are absolutely magic talented, the current system support my opinion ( halfings are next to humans the secound intelligent creatures )
Halflings have the same intelligence like humans, and so where is the reason that humans can be mages and halflings not?

I support the idea that isn´t very brilliant to play a aggressive halfing , and yes i agree to much people play halflings aggressive, but it give no reason to forbid halfings to use magic.

Xerake · Post by **Xerake** » Thu May 08, 2003 3:18 pm

Hey hey hey Fieps come on...what about elves and lizardpeople?

Personally, this hobbit roleplay is a little foreign, if not completely ridiculous...everytime I come across a halfling, they seem as battle thirsty as an orc. Some of them are better with swordplay than farming, sheesh...

Not to mention, they are notoriously risky with magic, yet the best mages next to the human and elves are hobbits...which still doesn't make much sense to me.

Mishrack · Post by **Mishrack** » Thu May 08, 2003 3:43 pm

I wouldn't have a problem with the way halflings fought if they used missile weapons... but they dont.

Sure, with a bow or cross bow or such, a halfling can be just as lethal as anyone else, but with swords and such? Not very likely... As halflings are more or less just smaller versions of humans, that should be seen in their strength too... I mean, a halfling simply would not be able to hack hard enough to win a sword fight with anything else, other than perhaps strike their foe's legs...

And I'm sure you'll now apply that to dwarves aswell, but wrongly so. If you look at a dwarf, he's usually bulging with muscles, sure he is small, but he has much more muscle mass than any other race, hence why he can fight larger creatures like humans on equal terms.

If you look at other rpgs and reads books, you will find that Halflings only pick up melee weapons extremely rarely, wheras they are probably more profficient than any other race with things like slings...

Senk Kluuspointe Gren · Thu May 08, 2003 4:03 pm

Yeah, I must agree that each player should try to stick to the description of their character's race, otherwise the race description may as well read:

These cute little creatures are stocky and hairy. However, are almost never roleplayed well and therefore can be whatever you want them to be.

Mishrack · Post by **Mishrack** » Thu May 08, 2003 4:08 pm

yes, it is very simple: If you simply cannot play a specific race to a satisfactory level, choose human.

Also, humans and elves alike - STOP USING OUR DWARVEN ENGLISH!
hrmph

Viola Thistle · Post by **Viola Thistle** » Thu May 08, 2003 4:12 pm

@ mishrack

I wish we DID have slings...i think Viola would enjoy that! It was purposed recently.

Mishrack · Post by **Mishrack** » Thu May 08, 2003 4:19 pm

@Viola
Yeah... it has it's place, and would add to tailoring.

Rynt · Post by **Rynt** » Sat May 10, 2003 7:50 am

I Will Rp my elf properly if I get in. He's going to be a vegetarian, and not wear or use any leather, or anything an animal was killed for.

Large and slender. Noble features and a superior behavior are signs of an elf. They have almond coloured eyes and sharp ears. They are masters of archery, very educated and have great knowledge of magic. They adore all life and kill only in an urgency. They can see in the dark.

And use a bow....and possibly have druid magic.

Korg Blacktooth · Post by **Korg Blacktooth** » Sat May 10, 2003 8:36 am

Finally, since when were orcs educated enough to use education?

Well if you are an orc liveing in towns all the time i would think they get educated just from watching and observing.....and whois to sat orcs are dumb cant talk proberly and doesn't care if people can read there posts or not?

Rynt · Post by **Rynt** » Sat May 10, 2003 8:48 am

The way you are talking we will have orcish mages next!What's next, flying lizardmen?

And since when do orcs live in a town in harmony with other races?

Serpardum · Post by **Serpardum** » Sat May 10, 2003 8:52 am

This is all IMO (In My Opionion)

"Oh, I want to cast magic, but don't want to be a human. Elfs are wimpy. Hey, hobbits are cool! I'll be one of those".

"I want to cast magic, but I want to be pretty strong too. Hmm.. dwarfs look good".

"Hey, it would be cool to play an orc. I don't wanna talk dumb though, I'll just talk normal".

In each of those cases, forget about it. Play a human.

Don't choose a race because they look cool. Or have better stats. Or can cast better or fight better or... Choose a race depending on the *personality* your character is going to have.

A lot of times when I role play I choose a race and then play that race. My characters personality comes from that race itself, now how I choose to play it.

Hmm.. maybe I should lern to cast.. oh, wait, I'm a dwarf, they don't cast. They do mine though... And make things. Okay, I'll do that. Oh, nuggets. Hmm.. I think I'll have an obsession with nuggets. I'll buy as many as I can and horde them. A dwarf would love having gold.

Play the race. Don't do what you want to do then try to justify it somehow.

When you find yourself not doing something you *want* to do, because your character wouldn't do it. Then you are role playing!

Korg Blacktooth · Post by **Korg Blacktooth** » Sat May 10, 2003 8:53 am

no matter what race you are if the single person in that different race acts like he is trying his best or her best to do what they want to do, (dwarfs being mages, halflings become really strong, orcs speaking proberly) they could and would be able to do that if they really wanted to.

But i see everyone besides us orcs wish to see one orc acting like they want them to act which they think is a proper orc then no other race then a human should cast magic no other race should dig for ore or coal but dwarfs, humans and elfs. Think about what you all are saying or one day there might be someone act like you all think a orc should act like.

Korg Blacktooth · Post by **Korg Blacktooth** » Sat May 10, 2003 8:58 am

@Serpardum :
it is like saying halflings should be nice orcs should be dumb and evil humans can be what they want. But i see it as any race is capable of being Nice Evil Dumb or down right Kind. Any race has that option just like any race should have an option of being what they want they will just have more trouble doiung it then other races or it will take 10 times as long to be as good.

Rynt · Post by **Rynt** » Sat May 10, 2003 9:07 am

The point is, there are too many smart orcs, too many magic using Halflings, too many nature hating elves.Which is not now it should be.

The thing is, to play your strengths, not to compensate for your weaknesses.If you have weak physical capabilities,but good magic, Strengthen your magic, not your physical capabilities.