Hmmm Halflings or Hobbits?

Kasume · Post by **Kasume** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 11:29 pm

Well seems like some people think Halflings and Hobbits are SOO much differently and think that in Illarion the miniture humans are halflings. Erm well I say it's hobbits AND Halflings. If you would be so kind to goto the Name Rules section of the website and scroll down to the bottem and read the example names. It clearly states Hobbits really big. Halflings, Hobbits. What's the difference. I was just starting to get fustrated about this. I got confused.

Faramier · Post by **Faramier** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 11:57 pm

Well, in D&D its halflings, however tolkien says both, he talks of the hobbits living in the shire and then he also talks of the halfling race.

I think this is where the confusion may come from.

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Thu May 01, 2003 12:04 am

jsut call 'em pecks

hehehe

Viola Thistle · Post by **Viola Thistle** » Thu May 01, 2003 12:12 am

Viola sticks her tongue out at Grant and gives him a raspberry

Drogla · Post by **Drogla** » Thu May 01, 2003 12:28 am

they are hobbits, but know as haflings becuase they are half the height of humans.
hobbit is the proper name

Mishrack · Post by **Mishrack** » Thu May 01, 2003 12:52 am

No, drogla, They are hobbits if they come from Tolkien's shire

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Thu May 01, 2003 2:03 am

the correct term is halflings as it says when you create the character. Also the website calls it the "halfling race"

Zasmia · Post by **Zasmia** » Thu May 01, 2003 2:15 am

Yep! When I look at the language that i speak i can see some letters "Halfling language" in dark red (yep, dark... thank you, all you so evil snipers).

But hey, i call orcs "Greenlings", elfs "tall ones" and humans "big ones". Mayby elfs should be called "1 1/4-lings" and humans "doublehalflings"

Who cares about names? I think both is right, at least i listen to both, halfling and hobbit.

Viola Thistle · Post by **Viola Thistle** » Thu May 01, 2003 2:16 am

@ Zasmia

Yes, I answer to both as well.

Kasume · Post by **Kasume** » Thu May 01, 2003 3:01 am

Basically no one has a clue....

Korwin · Post by **Korwin** » Thu May 01, 2003 3:41 am

http://www.illarion.org/development/us_people.php
This should answer your questions

Drogla · Post by **Drogla** » Thu May 01, 2003 6:16 am

o well, ill still be saying hobbit cuase that is what is in my head

Rynt · Post by **Rynt** » Fri May 02, 2003 9:49 pm

A Halfling IS a Hobbit. One game called them Hurthlings.

Fedaykin · Post by **Fedaykin** » Fri May 02, 2003 10:00 pm

Some Halflings dont like it when you call them hobbits ingame.

Rynt · Post by **Rynt** » Fri May 02, 2003 10:06 pm

Which is exactly why I call them Halflings. It is how I first learned about them, before I read LOTR, and that is how I refer to them.

Kasume · Post by **Kasume** » Fri May 02, 2003 11:03 pm

When talking directly to a hobbit I call it halfling but, yet when talking about one I say hobbit. Just a habbit. I know some people have characters that like to be called halfling. Also that website you put up there....ummm go into name rules and at the bottem it calls them hobbits. That was the whole point of this thread. Which is it? Halfling or hobbit? I think it's both... Oh well.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Sat May 03, 2003 2:06 am

I HEARD that halfing is considered a derogatory name by some, as it is insulting the height of a hobbit, but I think that hobbit is just the name of the shirefolk, as when Gandalf talked about Smeigol (or golem), he said that he was part of the riverfolk and was related to hobbits. Not conclusive, but still more evidence.

Fieps · Post by **Fieps** » Sat May 03, 2003 2:19 am

Rynt, that is what most Americans have taken from the Tolkien World ( HDR ), but it´s not a native word in Illarion, because we don´t play here the film.

But with the time, and the influence of Tolkien people thought its normal/legitim to call Halfings Hobbits.

P.S.: For you as player are Hobbits = Halflings, but the history from Illarion don´t know a word like Hobbit.

Kasume · Post by **Kasume** » Sat May 03, 2003 5:53 am

Golem is a ancester of the hobbits. Kind of like monkeys and humans.

Rynt · Post by **Rynt** » Sat May 03, 2003 6:56 am

Firstly, you are saying golem, which is a form of giant Stone/Metal creature of titanic strength.His name is Gollum.

Secondly......Nobody really knows who Gollum is. He could be a hobbit corrupted by the ring.He could be, as you said, some sort of ancestor to the river-folk.

Nobody can really say who or what he is. There are only theories.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Sun May 04, 2003 4:15 am

Rynt wrote:Firstly, you are saying golem, which is a form of giant Stone/Metal creature of titanic strength.His name is Gollum.

Actually, you're wrong. Golem is from the Caballah (spelled something like that), which was basically the Jewish myths or witchcraft or something of the sort. Golems were made of clay and had the name of God imprinted in their foreheads and were animate. They protected shtetls from the non-Jews trying to kill the Jews. Very interesting stuff.

Mishrack · Post by **Mishrack** » Sun May 04, 2003 4:21 am

yes, that would be the a jewish view on golems. You must understand that there are other views aswell.

Just because the ancient greeks believed that man was indirectly created through the sky and the earth having sex doesn't necesarily mean that that is the only view.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Sun May 04, 2003 4:47 am

That is NOT the Jewish view on Golem. That IS the golem. There is no other golem, except for what people created afterwards, based on the Caballah. If you think about Gollum and research the Golem, you will find similarities. Tolkien was a genius, to say the least.

Kasume · Post by **Kasume** » Sun May 04, 2003 5:41 pm

First off Ryant I can tell you have NEVER read the books. For one reason is because it stats GOLLUM'S past in the beginning of one of the books.

And yes I did spell it wrong. It is spelled Gollum.

Rynt · Post by **Rynt** » Sun May 04, 2003 8:30 pm

Well, in truth A golem can be made out of stone, clay or metal really.All are incredibly strong.

But the traditional one is the clay golem.

Adano Eles · Post by **Adano Eles** » Sun May 04, 2003 8:37 pm

This is what the Encyclopedia Mythica has to say about golems.

Rynt · Post by **Rynt** » Sun May 04, 2003 8:41 pm

Exactly. A sort of Non-Living, inanimate object given a sort of life as an automaton.......A golem.

In one game I played, you could make golems, but they were way too strong. a young mage could make the strongests kind of golem, which almost NO people in the game can defeat.

Unbalanced

Lotho Green · Post by **Lotho Green** » Mon May 05, 2003 1:35 am

I would like to note that I like the name known as halflings rather than hobbits. If you ever do happen to see me around, I would like to be called a halfling. To me, hobbit doesn't sound as good as halfling. I just thought I should mention that...Thank you.
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Lotho Green
Tailor, Farmer, & Baker of Trollsbane.

Fieps · Post by **Fieps** » Mon May 05, 2003 3:00 am

Your char life in a hobbit hole ( gave the location this name ) but he would like to be called halfling not Hobbit?

That must be the well known women logic *scratches his head*.

p.s.: Can somebody of you guys explain me why you always write a signature like this
"Lotho Green
Tailor, Farmer, & Baker of Trollsbane" under your posts at a OOC board?
If can you show me a town called Trollsbane in our world and that you are a baker, tailor and farmer together i will visit you and buy all your stuff.

p.s.2: I suggest your char become a smith,carpenter and goldsmith, too.

Lotho Green · Post by **Lotho Green** » Mon May 05, 2003 3:34 am

Fieps wrote:Your char life in a hobbit hole ( gave the location this name ) but he would like to be called halfling not Hobbit?

That must be the well known women logic *scratches his head*.

Oh. Well, if you are speaking of a halfling's home, then I like: Hobbit Hole, rather than: Halfling Hole. I'm saying if you say something such as: "Stop hobbit!" I would like to hear: "Stop halfling." When you mention my characters home, hobbit hole sounds better than halfling hole. Anyway, I took off my location.

Fieps wrote:p.s.: Can somebody of you guys explain me why you always write a signature like this
"Lotho Green
Tailor, Farmer, & Baker of Trollsbane" under your posts at a OOC board?
If can you show me a town called Trollsbane in our world and that you are a baker, tailor and farmer together i will visit you and buy all your stuff.

Wow...hey..thanks. I just now realized that.

Fieps wrote:p.s.2: I suggest your char become a smith,carpenter and goldsmith, too.

laughs.

Yes, maybe in the future Fieps. For now, I only wish to be a simple farmer. Thank you for your suggestion though...