Lyrenzia Foundation: Judicial Trial #1

Lyrenzia Foundation · Post by **Lyrenzia Foundation** » Thu May 01, 2003 1:52 am

The first Judicial Trial of the Lyrenzia Foundation has hereby begun.

The charges are:

-Grant Herion has accused Nilo of an unjustified attack on himself.
-Grant Herion has accused himself of an unjustified attack on Felkin Fennikish.
-Nilo has accused Grant Herion of an unjustified attack on himself.

Reminder:
Duration of the Trial Period:

During the 5 day period, anyone can present their testimony, evidence, opinions, on the public board or through any other communication with the Lyreniza Foundation, which can all be used by the judges to evaluate the case. If the accused pleads Guilty within the first 2 days of the trial, the time of their sentence will be reduced to 3/5 or 4/6 of the regular time.

End of a Trial:

A trial will end when:

-Anytime that the defendant pleads guilty

-When the Lyrenzia Foundation has delcared its verdict on the accused (which will usually take 5 full days unless all judges have already cast their vote)

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Thu May 01, 2003 1:53 am

Now let me see if I understand the story right:

Grant Herion and Nilo were having a conversation. Nilo then shouts for Grant Herion to go away and casts a lightning bolt on him. Moments later, Nilo is injured. Grant Herion, Crosis, and Felkin Fennikish is in the vicinity at this moment. Nilo claims that Grant Herion shot him with a bow and then therefore Nilo attacks Grant Herion. Grant Herion later attacks Felkin Fennikish in belief that he shot Nilo with a bow.

Is this accurate? If there are additional details of value before and after this event, please say so.

I have some questions of which anyone may answer:
1)Where did this conversation take place?
2)Who was also in the vicinity at the time of Nilo’s injury?
3)Did you see the mark of a physical injury on Nilo at the time of his injury?

Crosis · Post by **Crosis** » Thu May 01, 2003 2:00 am

1) It took place outside the tavern.
2) No one else was there.
3) There were no marks of physical injury on Nilo

Crosis Smallburrow
Founder of Hobbiteers
Councilor of Lyrenzia

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Thu May 01, 2003 2:45 am

Until there is additional information that says otherwise, this is what I understand right now:

-Nilo did not have a justified reason to have cast the lightning bolt on Grant Herion.

-There is no witnesses that say that Nilo was shot by an arrow. Even if Nilo was shot by an arrow, there is no proof that it was by the hands of Grant Herion and not Crosis or Felkin Fennikish. Therefore Nilo's attack on Grant Herion afterwards is unjustified.

-There is no proof that Felkin Fenniskish attacked Nilo with a bow, so therefore Grant Herion's attack on Felkin Fennikish is unjustified.

At this point in time, my vote for both the charge against Nilo and the charge for Grant Herion would be 'Guilty'. Of course there remains the other Councilors of Lyrenzia to cast their vote.
However if the story stands as I understand it, the others will likely vote 'Guilty' as well, so I suggest that you both plea guilty within the first 2 days to save the trouble and to have reduced sentences.

Nilo · Post by **Nilo** » Thu May 01, 2003 2:48 am

I would like to ask a few questions...
What would be the punishments if i pleaded guilty right now?
Is it wrong to attack back after your death for no reason?
After all of this, is it right for Grant to come up and attack me afterwards?

3)And, as for the physical attack, I had a bloody wound! If thats not a physical attack, then what is?!

Nilo · Post by **Nilo** » Thu May 01, 2003 2:55 am

Here is what happend:

I saw him, and I said hi. I then called him over, and asked him a few questions about some rumours i had heard. He then answered those for me. I told him that it probably wasnt the best idea to help the blackstone cult, as that could lead to a dark wizard. I asked him if he sided with demons also, and he said yes. I was very disappointed, and i shook my head. I then gave him a suspension note, and was upset. He then went to the depot, and i stood there at the corner of the building. He then came back towards me. I was thinking he might have been mad, so i backed up.
(Earlier, he had been talking about his new fighting abilities.)
He then followed me, as i backed up. I went around in ciricles, with him following me. I was under the assumption that he was about to attack me. I then stopped, and asked him a question. Next thing I knew, i was dead. I dont believe Crosis would have done it. I didnt see felkin, until about five seconds before i died. He didnt do it, i was watching him caefully. I think Grant used a war axe, rather than a bow....but, im not sure. I just didnt react fast enough to store it in my memory.

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Thu May 01, 2003 3:06 am

An additional charge has been added to the trial:

-Nilo accuses Grant Herion of an unjustified attack on himself

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Thu May 01, 2003 3:15 am

1) Punishments are outlined in Lyrenzia Castle The parchment seems to have fallen off, but they will be back in a moment.
If you plead guilty within the first 2 days of the trial it will be 6 hours of prison or 6 days of exile. If you plead guilty within the rest of the trial it will be 10 hours of prison or 10 days of exile. If you plead guilty after 24 hours after you've been sentneced, an extra hour/day will be added to the 10 hours/days whenever you decided to serve your prison time.

2) You have no proof that Grant Herion was the one that killed you, so therefore it's wrong for you to attack him. Even if he did attack you, you don't deny that you cast a lightning bolt on him first, do you? And I don't see any justified reason for casting a lightning bolt on someone for following you or because you ASSUMED he is going to attack you.

3) No witnesses seem to claim that they saw this wound. But whether or not you had an arrow wound still doesn't prove who shot you.

Felkin Fennikish · Post by **Felkin Fennikish** » Thu May 01, 2003 3:17 am

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Felkin Fennikish · Post by **Felkin Fennikish** » Thu May 01, 2003 3:19 am

I am the untied end you see. I am the only individual who was killed that did not retaliate.

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Thu May 01, 2003 3:21 am

Headmaster Dyluck, I have already pleaded guilty to me killing Felkin. So, don't go on questioning about that, thank you.

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Thu May 01, 2003 3:26 am

Grant Herion, you have to make the official plea after the trial has begun, which you have now. You should now also write that you choose the option of imprisonment for your punishment, if that is what you will choose.

Felkin Fennikish, I cannot see the connection of how someone else's imprisonment could possibly restore your lost abilities (This is the RPG board).

One thing you could do however, is to strike a deal with the accused to recieve some kind of payment in exchange for withdrawal of your charges. However this is an odd case where you're not the one laying the charges and the accused is charging himself.
I think Grant Herion might be willing to give you reasonable payment if you ask him though.

Nilo · Post by **Nilo** » Thu May 01, 2003 3:30 am

Well, i dont think i was shot. I think I was killed from a war axe.
seondly, if you arent thinking I died from him, felkin really wasnt there....crosis didnt do it, im sure....then how else would i have died? I died! i want to see some punishment or something!

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Thu May 01, 2003 3:37 am

Nilo wrote: I didnt see felkin, until about five seconds before i died.

As you said, Felkin was present at the time of your injury so he remains as much a possibility as Grant Herion or Crosis. The fact that you're now not sure of the weapon in question also isn't helping your testimony.

You have no proof that Grant Herion did it, and it's only a personal assumption of yours that Crosis or Felkin didn't do it.

Even if Grant Herion was the one who attacked you, is it not true that you attacked him with a lightning bolt first? Therfore, his retalitation would have still been justified.

Felkin Fennikish · Post by **Felkin Fennikish** » Thu May 01, 2003 3:38 am

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Thu May 01, 2003 3:38 am

Dyluck, since no one saw any blood come out of Nilo does that lead to two possiblities 1 is he poisoned himself the next is he did a spell on himself. Since I was out of reach with a war axe ((about 4 spaces)) I couldn't of done it.

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Thu May 01, 2003 3:42 am

As I said, whether he was really hit by a weapon or not, there's still no proof who did it.

Grant Herion, I suggest you write that you select the option of imprisonment as punishment soon, unless you plan to choose exile instead.

Don't forget that unserved prison time will leave a barrier to your voting rights when you become eligible someday, so I suggest you choose prison over exile.

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Thu May 01, 2003 5:41 am

wait, how long is imprisonment and how long would I be exiled?

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Thu May 01, 2003 6:31 am

6 hours of prison or 6 days of exile.

Also take note of the following section under the Judicial System:

Additional Punishements in Loss of Voting Rights to those found guilty:

-Those who have unserved prison time will not be able to exercise any of their voting rights until they served their prison time.

-Those who have served their prison sentence will only lose the right to participate in the next public voting.

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Thu May 01, 2003 3:39 pm

i suppose i'll do prison time.

Darlok · Post by **Darlok** » Thu May 01, 2003 7:24 pm

Wait!

Sorry for interrupting you, Sire Dyluck. But i belive you are making a big mistake.

Grand Herion is, as far as i know, not a Member of Lyrenzia. Therefore Lyrenzic shall not have the Rights to send someone in an Exile ((Ban i suppose?)).

If Grand choosed this by himself, i have nothing against it, but he shall not be forced into in Exile by a Institution without the Rights to do so.

Imprision him, if he agrees, but dont dare to send someone who is not one of your Members into Exile!

Darlok

Faramier · Post by **Faramier** » Thu May 01, 2003 9:43 pm

((is exile a ban or just that you arnt allowed in town for some time?))

Hermie · Post by **Hermie** » Thu May 01, 2003 11:03 pm

On his way to the town walls Hermie walks under a ladder, knocking a mirror from it that smashes on the floor in front of him, scaring a nearby black cat away, that had previously walked across Hermie's path.

(( Exile means he will not be allowed in the town for however long they say. ))

Darlok, I think Lyrenzia are enforcing their laws on everyone of this isle. It would be pretty daft them having members to be punished, as no thieves or murderes would join.

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Thu May 01, 2003 11:21 pm

hmm... Darlok makes a good point... I simply signed myself up because I thought it would be better for me to do it then have Felkin write a long and gruesome story about how I ruthlessly killed him... If I am not part of Lyrenzia which I believe I am not, then I take back both my charges, agianst myself and against Nilo. And I assume Nilo will take back his.

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Thu May 01, 2003 11:38 pm

((Exile is defined on the webpage of Lyrenzia))

Dear Darok,

Was it not long ago that you declared a group of hobbits to be exiled and that you would attack them should they set foot into the town of Troll's Bane?
Just as you can say that, so can we and anyone else. What matters is who will listen and who will care.

Just as every person decides whether they believe someone is guilty and whether or not that person should be punished and how to punish them, backed by those who agree with him. Lyreznia's Judicial System is but a more organized labeling of all criminals and how we justify anyone to deal with them, backed a larger voice who supports the decisions of their judges.

Lyrenzia is now simply doing a more organized version of the same work that each individual does in this anarchic world. We are simply larger in number and will deal with criminals in a way their crimes will not go unpunished to deliver the justice that has been long sought for.

Dyluck
Headmaster of the Magic Academy
Councilor of Lyrenzia

Nilo · Post by **Nilo** » Thu May 01, 2003 11:40 pm

I also, take back mine. I realize, now, that killing is the last resort of anything, and I shouldnt have done it. As for your retaliation on me, Grant, I believe that it was just as wrong as me killing you, except you couldnt get past my shield. That is the only difference.....I am sorry.

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Thu May 01, 2003 11:41 pm

Grant Herion,

Nowhere does it say that the status as a member of Lyrenzia Foundation guild makes any difference to those who can charge or be charged.

Kasume · Post by **Kasume** » Thu May 01, 2003 11:43 pm

So your saying anyone can be trialed with Lyrenzia? Everyone has to follow their laws? Or is the other way around? You have to follow their laws if your apart of them?

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Thu May 01, 2003 11:50 pm

The answer to all your questions is basically Yes, Kasume.

As I said earlier:
Just as every person decides whether they believe someone is guilty and whether or not that person should be punished and how to punish them, backed by those who agree with him. Lyreznia's Judicial System is but a more organized labeling of all criminals and how we justify anyone to deal with them, backed a larger voice who supports the decisions of their judges.

Lyrenzia is now simply doing a more organized version of the same work that each individual does in this anarchic world. We are simply larger in number and will deal with criminals in a way their crimes will not go unpunished to deliver the justice that has been long sought for.

Kasume · Post by **Kasume** » Thu May 01, 2003 11:53 pm

Yes to what? Yes that everyone has to follow it's laws? heh