"Evil" Roleplaying...

Bloodhearte · Post by **Bloodhearte** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 4:49 pm

Playing an evil character has been difficult lately...I'm trying not to fall into the stereotypical 'insane man goes on rampage and casts flames' sort of stuff. I wish to meet with various evil characters that have been around, such as Dark Lord Sunrise, because I think my roleplay has been getting a little stale.

Are there any suggestions for playing such a character as Bloodhearte? Do you think I'm doing well? I'm curious.

Mishrack · Post by **Mishrack** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 6:26 pm

Also, It's very difficult these days due to ´certain kids who still see everything in black and white. The best kind of evil RP is only seen as evil by some characters, while it is not by others. But these days, most of the characters in game see everything as pure evil...

Caranthir the great · Post by **Caranthir the great** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 7:56 pm

Yes, Life is not black and white, its more like different shades of grey.

Pellandria · Post by **Pellandria** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 7:58 pm

Most Player sees evil Rp as Pk they think really black-with evil rp oh an pk .

Fedaykin · Post by **Fedaykin** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 9:21 pm

A think one problem is that the most players play heroes. They arent afraid of dieing, if they died they could go to the cross and are healed.

So one evil char has 5 heroes against his evil char.

Nobody from us would recover a hostage from terrorist because its too dangerous but in illa its no problem because you couldn't die.

Viola Thistle · Post by **Viola Thistle** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 9:31 pm

@Fedaykin

I agree with you...It's too easy for someone to play the hero.

Has it been suggested before that if a character dies the player couldn't log back on for 24 hours or something? I think people would think twice about the possibility of dieing if they actually couldn't play for a while. I have no idea if this is even possible, much less if it has been suggested to death.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 9:33 pm

First of all, Bloodhearte, you were 2 shields, I have noticed.

That isn't exactly good roleplay for an evil mage. And you're not EVIL enough! Just watch the episode of spongebob with Man-Ray.

You've got to make evil plans, not just the run-of-the-mill burn everything.

Aragon · Post by **Aragon** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 9:34 pm

@ Viola

There were some suggestions going in the same direction.
One main arguement against it, was that if someone misuses killing by breaking serverrules (a PK), the innocent would suffer under the restriction.

Fedaykin · Post by **Fedaykin** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 9:56 pm

I dont like the idea to not be able to login for 24 hours when i get killed.

IMHO if a few people think about theyre roleplay (including me) it would help much more than a 24 hours ban for Killed Chars.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 10:01 pm

I guess Fedaykin is kind of right.

But I saw an RPG once where there is permanent death. That is kind of cool, but can not be implemented unless there is an easy way to make characters.

Darlok · Post by **Darlok** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 10:35 pm

The Idea was temp-ban, but of course not 24 houres. That wont help anybody more will it frustrate the Players.

The idea was a Time Penalty in the Ratio of 5 Minutes up to 10 Minutes.

Viola Thistle · Post by **Viola Thistle** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 10:37 pm

@ Fedaykin

I found the thread that was started on this and posted to that. Yeah, 24 hours is a bit harsh and I have revised my opinion. I'd really hate to miss out on that much play time.

And your right, we as role players should make more of an effort to play DEATH instead of relying on outside forces (developers). Continue this in http://www.illarion.org/community/forum ... php?t=5317

@ Bloodhearte - sorry for taking your thread for a turn. I appologize.

Mishrack · Post by **Mishrack** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 10:43 pm

Fedaykin wrote:I agree with you...It's too easy for someone to play the hero.

argh! thats what I hate the most... people who have this sickly thought that they HAVE TO BE the hero... this is an rpg ffs, with many mnay people! ...
*sighs*

GMcFly · Post by **GMcFly** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 10:51 pm

I agree with you...It's too easy for someone to play the hero.

nice to see it at that way, but you are only one hero from 4xxxx other heros. That is the reason that you cant be a hero, youre only normaly.

please tell me the different between a hero and a normaly men.

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 10:54 pm

I agree, I was here and thought I should be a hero, then I saw everyone else in town was a hero. So being bad or not going with what everyone else was doing was what I did, and am doing, but with roleplay reasons.

Kalypse · Post by **Kalypse** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 11:15 pm

Just be like Kaly..hihi..

'Flyers?! I hate bugs! Ahhhhhh!'

Faramier · Post by **Faramier** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 11:54 pm

Am I evil?

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Thu May 01, 2003 12:17 am

Which kind of evil are you looking to play?

If its's simply doing morally wrong things, stealing is morally wrong, so a lot of thieves around here are evil.

Or you could be a stupid madman who opposes everything with well repsected people and starts stupid wars and somehow tries to claim or actually thinks (through some kind of totally misguided closed-minded perceptions of the world) that he does what he does out of righteousness. This way you'll get a horrible reputation and get a lot of people to hate you and some people who will sympathize with your misguided beliefs.

Or imagine what would eventually happen if someone say Dyluck was actually very evil. Maybe there's a lot of conspiracies that are true, but nobody knows. Maybe sean-san wasn't crazy after all and someone ruined him because he messed with the wrong person or found out something he shouldn't have.

Now with Lyrenzia, there's also the possibility to play an evil corrupt politician. That is, if you can first sway the people to choose you right for the job. Obviously this idea will hardly work if you're "obviously evil".

If you want to last long, then play subtle evil roles that aren't obvious. Maybe build up a reputation first and then abuse it or betray their trust.
You won't last very long if you think the townsfolk are going to just live side by side with some mwhahahaha-maniac.

If you search, there should be other discussions about evil roles as well.
And never forget:

Cuderon wrote:Make Your Own Conspiracy Theory
I think this is pretty funny *g* And always remember: Dyluck controlls the media

Viola Thistle · Post by **Viola Thistle** » Thu May 01, 2003 12:25 am

Nicely put Dyluck.

Freo · Post by **Freo** » Thu May 01, 2003 2:21 am

one of the main reasons no one wants to play an Evil character now days is this: there are not enough evil characters. In most books or stories the evil outnumber the good, correct? whats the use of being one evil character against 5 billion hero characters who are just gonna F@#$ you up if you even say your "evil". Thats the very train of thought that everybody has in their head when they are thinking up a story for their character. say my character for instance, now I am not gonna lie to you and say "my character isnt a hero," because in more ways than one I guess thats what he was intended to be, but if there wasnt the risk of constantly getting ganged up on I most likley would roleplay an evil char.

The only thing is there has to be a decent amount of evil characters, not too many, because than its just vice versa of now.

As for you Bloodhearte, I think you are doing a fine job, think up some scarier things though, to truly be evil someone has to be afraid of you.

Viola Thistle · Post by **Viola Thistle** » Thu May 01, 2003 2:46 am

Freo! Freo!

Generally there are the ignorant masses, a few heros and a few villians. And if the story is really good some who you are not sure about or completely suprise you. Sometimes the ratio of power and will between good and bad are equal, sometimes its an up hill battle for the good.

And as stated above, really you shouldn't proclaim your evilness unless your up to being pooped on by the righteous.

You are saying your character is pretty much intended to be a hero? For goodness sake, don't force your character. Let the stories he is in determine his outcome. Sure have an "idea" of who he is, makes some rules for him - but give him plenty of time to develop in-game. Give yourself/him time to figure out his weakness and strengths.

Weakness are what really make a character!

Which brings me to Bloodhearte - what are your weaknesses? Play off them.

@ GMcFly...I see your point and am still piecing together a response.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Thu May 01, 2003 4:24 am

Well, just do it where I can't see it.

Bloodhearte · Post by **Bloodhearte** » Thu May 01, 2003 7:17 pm

Actually, Paul, I only wear two shields if I'm running from any angry mob...which is something I used to have to do quite a bit before I left with Sevious. Other than that, I have either a magic wand or a firesword...or a mirror.

If anybody noticed lately, there is a green flame with four flames surrounding it. This is my Moshran altar

. I don't generally go around burning things...too often.

The plans are tough to execute...the mods have to see my plan as fit, and decide when they are going to play with Ashkatuul or Drahken, or let me borrow a few demons. These are in my plans, but they're rather difficult to execute as I also have to rely on others for my plans to work.

Everybody DOES want to play 'the almighty hero that takes down the big bad mage.' It's annoying, because there are about 5 people that gang up on me, and sometimes taking only one is enough work, so I have to run. We need more 'evil' characters I tell you! It's sort of pathetic, because people think I'm the 'big bad mage' that I used to be, according to my 29*** number, but I've been killed so many times I'm about on the level of a newbie with most skills!

I'm sorry everybody in Illarion, but I can't be another Kuja, Sephiroth, Sin, Ultimecia, or twin Drahken. It would take a year before I could fully master my skills to take down a mage besides myself

. I could do a bit of fighting, but from my experience...you have to be decent at some sort of combat, magic or physical, to be taken seriously.

People refer to me as sort of a nutcase as of late. I guess that's taking a step forward

.

Faramier · Post by **Faramier** » Thu May 01, 2003 7:25 pm

There are actually lots of good evil roleplayers, its just they're doing a good job of it so know-one knows thier evil.

They are round every corner.

Think about it, the most evil people are the ones that no-one suspects.

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Fri May 02, 2003 12:01 am

how evil is this... I am going to launch a slave war, inwhich I gather a large force and get all the halflings in town to be our slaves until we get overthrown. Now, obviously this will be really hard to do, but if it is successful, it would add and start a new era for the history books. The age of Slaves.
One major problem I see if some bad roleplaying hobbits won'y roleplay being a slave, but instead just run away after we capture them. Another problem is that some halflings will read this and will take this into their characters memory so they will be ready for the attack.
But, what do people think of this, I think it is historical as well as scary for halflings and their allies.

Freo · Post by **Freo** » Fri May 02, 2003 1:24 am

I think its a good idea, and I agree with the flaws. not a lot of hobbits will be willing to get on their knees and do your dirty work

. Advice from me is, if you truly want to carry out this plan, get really strong in both magic and physical combat so any strong mage hobbit or fighting hobbit...... or anyone who opposes you for that matter. You dont want to go down easily, if a hobbit overpowers you thats like giving him the right to escape. Also get a lot of troops, thats the hardest part when you think about it, because there are barley any evil characters.

@bloodhearte
((ALL THOSE VILLAINS RULE!!!))

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Fri May 02, 2003 1:32 am

I have sent out about 5 or 6 letters to people I am pretty sure will want to join. Unfortunetly I don't want to send letters to people I am not sure will join, otherwise I know they will tell their friends ingame about this and then I would be killed again and again in town.
And I am getting stronger Physically, magic is harder though... the 10x system makes it real hard to raise magic, but it will get done in time.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Fri May 02, 2003 3:36 am

Hey, if you need any monetary backing, tell Paul Laffing you're plan in game. I'm sure he would be interested...

Crocket · Post by **Crocket** » Fri May 02, 2003 4:09 am

Yeah, I don't think Paul is evil, he just wants the slaves to go out and get supplies for him.

If any of you have read the Dragonlance books, I think that Raistlin Majere is the perfect example of a well played evil character.

He did not kill senselessly, BUT he also showed no remorse to another person's death. He only strived to become stronger and reach his ultimate goal no matter what the cost to others. He was even willing to sacrifice his own twin brother's life to gain his goal of becoming a god.

Gigasha · Post by **Gigasha** » Fri May 02, 2003 7:09 am

@Crocket

I agree with you completely about Raistlin. He was, and always shall be the perfect image of the dark sorcerer, not black, dark. He wanted what most of us want, but dare not try to attain, immortality. The fact that he detroyed the world was...inconsequential. It made for the best of stories.

I was the late 80s when I read those & the stories, names & characters all still come flooding back. Dragonlance, and it's offshoots were of epic proportions, as I see that this Era in Illarion has an opportunity to be.